Comments on: “The Villain Who Just Happened to Win”

By: David

David — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:27:27 +0000

Except Cyclops wasn’t the hero. Cyclops was the one willing to risk the lives of everyone on Earth (and perhaps beyond) to bring back a strand of DNA. This really was a Magneto-level, playing-with-the-lives-of-nonconsensual-participants, ends-justify-the-means kind of villain move.

By: new and original is hard

new and original is hard — Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:39:41 +0000

why didn’t marvel just completely reboot for Marvel Now? that way they can retell all of the old 616 events in the New Marvel 52, err i mean the Naked Marvel Now. All New X-Men is the All New Coke.

By: RF

RF — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:50:21 +0000

“Now, it just never ends, and we rarely get to get a story about ‘our’ favorite character that has a beginning, a middle and and end, that naturally flows into a new arc…”

Not sure who “our” favorite characters are, but there are certainly loads of Marvel comics out there that roll along quite nicely on their own. I don’t have a list in front of me, but I would wager MOST of them went unmolested by the most recent event thingy.

I enjoyed Chad’s write-ups and think he made some good points. I’m not sure why he put himself through all that — I read a buncha AvX comics because I thought I’d enjoy them and I was right. He seemed to have different expectations and goals, but God bless him for taking one for the team.

I am a little confused that some of our brightest readers/commentators have such a problem with ambiguous characters and complicated motivations, however. Calling Cap a villain seems kinda silly, not matter how invested you are in a fake minority group.

But on the whole, he did a real nice job!

By: Voivode

Voivode — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:43:55 +0000

That’s a bad example, though. After all, Final Crisis itself was also really, really bad and Grant Morrison made absolutely no effort to make that story consistent with anything that came before or after, so editorial interference is not always the problem.

By: Kyle Garret

Kyle Garret — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:24:18 +0000

@Voivode I think what he’s saying is that the need to get from point A to point B sometimes takes over the story, so we’re left with a bad story that often doesn’t make sense but has to exist because point B is already about to launch.

DC’s done it, too. They had a point A (52) and a point B (Final Crisis) and decided they need a story in between. And since Countdown’s only purpose was to bridge those two points it was, as expected, really, really bad.

By: Voivode

Voivode — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:21:29 +0000

“we rarely get to get a story about “our” favorite character that has a beginning, a middle and and end, that naturally flows into a new arc”

But then that new arc also has to flow into another new arc eventually; which flows into another new arc, which flows into arcs D, E, and F. And now the writer is approaching each arc as a lead-in to the subsequent arc. And it never ends. And it’s so cynical, isn’t it? And now Chad’s crying again.

By: Sallyp

Sallyp — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:59:35 +0000

There is nothing wrong with one story leading into another, that is the nature of a serial, after all. However, when you ONLY have Huge, Multi-Book Spanning Crossovers, and never have intimate, One-Book Only stories, the chance for it all to get muddled is very high indeed.

I can remember when a Cross-Over was a relatively rare event, and that it actually WAS a big deal when all of the characters and stories interacted. Now, it just never ends, and we rarely get to get a story about “our” favorite character that has a beginning, a middle and and end, that naturally flows into a new arc…as opposed to an editor mandated ending, which forces characters to act OUT of character.

By: Voivode

Voivode — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:17:11 +0000

So basically Chad Nevett wants stories that have no long term planning, don’t lead anywhere, and don’t flow into one another in any logical way. He’s actually bitching that a writer is structuring an ongoing narrative in a way such that one story leads into the next. What an idiot.