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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/11/02/howd-you-like-me-marvel-now/comment-page-1/#comment-788828</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They want lapsed readers back then 1 retcon back to 1999 2 forget the dark edgy cynical bs unless it is the character 3 get off the avengers kick and write the other lines especially x books and the supernatural story lines 4 fire the big name writers for writers who love the books and characters 5 no more universe spanning crossovers I f I want to read fill in the blank that is not Iron man I don&#039;t want to see his tin butt in the book I don&#039;t care if he&#039;s pushing registration or charity he doesn&#039;t belong.  Don&#039;t see cyclops or ghostrider crashing his book now do we?  6 bring back Jean grey preferably with out the phoenix and let her be Jean simple as that.  7 New characters who aren&#039;t just reconstituted old characters.  8 Story not events each book should tell ITS OWN story not some one elses that tells me the writer doesn&#039;t want to write my title he wants to write the other one.  9 no more guest star writers in main continuity that simple.  10 stop catering to the hip and cool it isn&#039;t either neither are we and we came here for a unique story not edgy whiny crap that we can get on any tv show.  11 no one really likes shield deal and move on.  12 stop killing main protagonists needlessly.  Its like seeing a washed up actor in a teeny boper movie every one knows he has no hope then same with the pointless deaths to sell titles.  13 the thunderbolts are not cool they were cool as villains leave that the way it is it works.  14 continuity dont break it 15 write the issue the tpb will come from the building blocks.  16 look for new talent thats undiscovered visit a few fan fic and rp forums hell you&#039;ll find better writing there than morrison fraction and many others who love the characters and genre.  17 adult doesn&#039;t mean swearing and boobs and guts its presentation pure and plot.  Its dealing with deeper issues.  You were there 14 years ago go back.  18 collectors they make you money and sink 100&#039;s into books a month.  19 new storylines stop barfing up the same old stories again and again.  See the comments on writers there.  20 fire Joe Q completely or failing that move him out of having any impact on the books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They want lapsed readers back then 1 retcon back to 1999 2 forget the dark edgy cynical bs unless it is the character 3 get off the avengers kick and write the other lines especially x books and the supernatural story lines 4 fire the big name writers for writers who love the books and characters 5 no more universe spanning crossovers I f I want to read fill in the blank that is not Iron man I don&#8217;t want to see his tin butt in the book I don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s pushing registration or charity he doesn&#8217;t belong.  Don&#8217;t see cyclops or ghostrider crashing his book now do we?  6 bring back Jean grey preferably with out the phoenix and let her be Jean simple as that.  7 New characters who aren&#8217;t just reconstituted old characters.  8 Story not events each book should tell ITS OWN story not some one elses that tells me the writer doesn&#8217;t want to write my title he wants to write the other one.  9 no more guest star writers in main continuity that simple.  10 stop catering to the hip and cool it isn&#8217;t either neither are we and we came here for a unique story not edgy whiny crap that we can get on any tv show.  11 no one really likes shield deal and move on.  12 stop killing main protagonists needlessly.  Its like seeing a washed up actor in a teeny boper movie every one knows he has no hope then same with the pointless deaths to sell titles.  13 the thunderbolts are not cool they were cool as villains leave that the way it is it works.  14 continuity dont break it 15 write the issue the tpb will come from the building blocks.  16 look for new talent thats undiscovered visit a few fan fic and rp forums hell you&#8217;ll find better writing there than morrison fraction and many others who love the characters and genre.  17 adult doesn&#8217;t mean swearing and boobs and guts its presentation pure and plot.  Its dealing with deeper issues.  You were there 14 years ago go back.  18 collectors they make you money and sink 100&#8242;s into books a month.  19 new storylines stop barfing up the same old stories again and again.  See the comments on writers there.  20 fire Joe Q completely or failing that move him out of having any impact on the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/11/02/howd-you-like-me-marvel-now/comment-page-1/#comment-764958</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kyle, i&#039;m aware of where the quotes came from and what context they were used in, being that i found them myself. I don&#039;t see how the quote from this column is qualified by referring only to the first few months of the DC relaunch, as you say it is, merely that their marketing made the relaunch a success. Then, in another article, which is an article on the overall health of the line, Graeme clearly casts his doubts on how things are going &quot;over there&quot; at DC. So, yes, I did &quot;cherry pick&quot; my quotes, but they are related, given that he is referencing both times the success of the DC line. 

You could make an argument that what you say, that this article refers to only the first few months of the DC relaunch, is implied, due to the fact that, if Graeme&#039;s previous article is to be believed, things are not nearly as good at DC now as opposed to last September. But that&#039;s not explicitly stated, and even if it were, it leads to splitting hairs on how one views the term &quot;success&quot;.

I highlight them to show that there is clearly a narrative formed in Graeme&#039;s blogs when talking about Marvel, especially Marvel NOW, and i am not the only poster to point it out recently. The rest of my argument (bitching about how poorly Marvel NOW is performing when it&#039;s not on the stands) stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kyle, i&#8217;m aware of where the quotes came from and what context they were used in, being that i found them myself. I don&#8217;t see how the quote from this column is qualified by referring only to the first few months of the DC relaunch, as you say it is, merely that their marketing made the relaunch a success. Then, in another article, which is an article on the overall health of the line, Graeme clearly casts his doubts on how things are going &#8220;over there&#8221; at DC. So, yes, I did &#8220;cherry pick&#8221; my quotes, but they are related, given that he is referencing both times the success of the DC line. </p>
<p>You could make an argument that what you say, that this article refers to only the first few months of the DC relaunch, is implied, due to the fact that, if Graeme&#8217;s previous article is to be believed, things are not nearly as good at DC now as opposed to last September. But that&#8217;s not explicitly stated, and even if it were, it leads to splitting hairs on how one views the term &#8220;success&#8221;.</p>
<p>I highlight them to show that there is clearly a narrative formed in Graeme&#8217;s blogs when talking about Marvel, especially Marvel NOW, and i am not the only poster to point it out recently. The rest of my argument (bitching about how poorly Marvel NOW is performing when it&#8217;s not on the stands) stands.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/11/02/howd-you-like-me-marvel-now/comment-page-1/#comment-764940</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Tyler, you compare two quotes by Graeme, but they&#039;re referring to different things.

The quote from this column is a reference to the first few months of the new 52, when DC hyped the hell out of it in the mainstream press and when all of the books were returnable.

The second quote is referring to numbers from last month -- a year after the relaunch.

Cherry picking information is exactly what you&#039;re accusing Graeme (or, actually, Rich) of doing, but you&#039;re doing the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Tyler, you compare two quotes by Graeme, but they&#8217;re referring to different things.</p>
<p>The quote from this column is a reference to the first few months of the new 52, when DC hyped the hell out of it in the mainstream press and when all of the books were returnable.</p>
<p>The second quote is referring to numbers from last month &#8212; a year after the relaunch.</p>
<p>Cherry picking information is exactly what you&#8217;re accusing Graeme (or, actually, Rich) of doing, but you&#8217;re doing the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/11/02/howd-you-like-me-marvel-now/comment-page-1/#comment-764691</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dd respond to his argument critically and logically. What you aren&#039;t doing us responding to mine critically and logically. If you want to do that, go for it! If not, bizzle on somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dd respond to his argument critically and logically. What you aren&#8217;t doing us responding to mine critically and logically. If you want to do that, go for it! If not, bizzle on somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Bizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler -

Respond to his argument critically and logically.  I understand what a loyal Marvel Zombie you are and feel protective over your Mania, but Graeme is coming from a place of caring whether you like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler -</p>
<p>Respond to his argument critically and logically.  I understand what a loyal Marvel Zombie you are and feel protective over your Mania, but Graeme is coming from a place of caring whether you like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/11/02/howd-you-like-me-marvel-now/comment-page-1/#comment-764672</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this on BC and immediately thought, Graeme is going to link to this article. I mean, it&#039;s got everything a Graeme article could want. Anti-Marvel conjecture? Check. Unfavorable comparison to DC? Check. Easy spot to whine about delays? Check. It&#039;s perfection!

There&#039;s been 4 (four) Marvel NOW books. One is a big hit, sold 350,000 copies, it&#039;s their flagship title. One is a continuation of a poorly performing series that highlights a relatively unknown character -a gamble in any economic climate. One is a one-shot that acts as a preview for upcoming books, and one is an add on to Marvels successful summer event that is the definition of &quot;non-essential&quot; reading - something the market clearly shows readers dont want. Aside form Uncanny Avengers, how many of the titles teased and promoted as major Marvel NOW titles are out? What&#039;s that? None, you say? Well what a perfect time to say the marketing failed to get people in stores! Just like the marketing for the new Lincoln movie failed to get people in theaters last weekend! What? It comes out this Christmas? Who cares, screw em! We have comprehensive data, from a private poll of 80 (80! Almost two per state!!!) who say these phantom books aren&#039;t selling, so why bother with the fact that they aren&#039;t on shelves yet! 

But my favorite thing about this post HAS to be the part where Graeme says:
&quot;Far more than the comics themselves, I’d argue that DC’s ability to get the word out to the “real world” about the relaunch, and ability to essentially make ordering the books as close to risk-free as is possible/likely are what made the New 52 launch as successful as it actually was. &quot;

Not because I disagree, but because just last week, he said this:
&quot;In other words: Yes, DC may have won the dollar and market share for last month, but that doesn’t mean that they should necessarily feel happy with the way things are going over there.&quot;

That&#039;s from a post regarding the fact that outside its top 15 or so books, the mid to lower tier DC books aren&#039;t selling anything. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s the success Graeme is talking about! At least you made it through without being depressed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this on BC and immediately thought, Graeme is going to link to this article. I mean, it&#8217;s got everything a Graeme article could want. Anti-Marvel conjecture? Check. Unfavorable comparison to DC? Check. Easy spot to whine about delays? Check. It&#8217;s perfection!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been 4 (four) Marvel NOW books. One is a big hit, sold 350,000 copies, it&#8217;s their flagship title. One is a continuation of a poorly performing series that highlights a relatively unknown character -a gamble in any economic climate. One is a one-shot that acts as a preview for upcoming books, and one is an add on to Marvels successful summer event that is the definition of &#8220;non-essential&#8221; reading &#8211; something the market clearly shows readers dont want. Aside form Uncanny Avengers, how many of the titles teased and promoted as major Marvel NOW titles are out? What&#8217;s that? None, you say? Well what a perfect time to say the marketing failed to get people in stores! Just like the marketing for the new Lincoln movie failed to get people in theaters last weekend! What? It comes out this Christmas? Who cares, screw em! We have comprehensive data, from a private poll of 80 (80! Almost two per state!!!) who say these phantom books aren&#8217;t selling, so why bother with the fact that they aren&#8217;t on shelves yet! </p>
<p>But my favorite thing about this post HAS to be the part where Graeme says:<br />
&#8220;Far more than the comics themselves, I’d argue that DC’s ability to get the word out to the “real world” about the relaunch, and ability to essentially make ordering the books as close to risk-free as is possible/likely are what made the New 52 launch as successful as it actually was. &#8221;</p>
<p>Not because I disagree, but because just last week, he said this:<br />
&#8220;In other words: Yes, DC may have won the dollar and market share for last month, but that doesn’t mean that they should necessarily feel happy with the way things are going over there.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s from a post regarding the fact that outside its top 15 or so books, the mid to lower tier DC books aren&#8217;t selling anything. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s the success Graeme is talking about! At least you made it through without being depressed!</p>
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