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Hickman Reveals First Marvel NOW! NEW AVENGERS Details

October 5th, 2012
Author Albert Ching

Marvel’s latest “Next Big Thing” conference call with the comic book press features writer Jonathan Hickman and executive editor Tom Brevoort talking Avengers and New Avengers, and based on the art revealed thus far (click for a bigger version of each cover), it looks like the first details of the December-debuting new volume of New Avengers are set to be revealed.

Keep refreshing for live updates from the call.

Thing getting started now — Hickman, Brevoort and Marvel editor-in-chief Axel Alonso are all on the call, along with Marvel marketing’s James Viscardi.

Viscardi asks Hickman the coolest thing about writing Avengers so far. “The coolest thing is that I’m writing Avengers,” Hickman replies. “It’s a special book. I’m getting to work with a small brigade of Marvel’s best artists.”

The first three-issue arc of Avengers, Hickman discloses, is called “Avengers World.” “The Avengers have to become something bigger, something more, in order to do what it is that they’re supposed to do. We open with them facing a threat that is larger and different than anything they have faced before. Very quickly, we see the back story of how Tony Stark and Captain America have been quietly building this contingency plan for this inevitable day which is where we basically start off in the first issue.”

On the expanded Avengers lineup, Hickman says it was agreed upon that the roster should “look more like the world.” “What people have seen so far are the biggest and most iconic characters that everyone knows or has some familiarity with,” Hickman continues. “As we reach #7 and #8, the book is populated with new or revised versions of established characters.” There will be about 24 characters on the team in total. “By the time we get to 22 characters on the book, 12 are either female or minority, and we feel like we’ve accomplished what we’ve set out to do, which is a book that looks like the world.”

Now time for the New Avengers lineup announcement: “It’s the Illuminati that [Brian Michael] Bendis and company introduced. It’s about the guys that very quietly and secretly run the world. It’s thematically much different than what’s going on in Avengers.” Hickman says the Avengers are the “ideal Avengers,” while the New Avengers “live in the world as it is, which is dark and apocalyptic. We’re pretty excited about it. The books will work together in tandem, you don’t have to read them together, but if you’re reading both, they’ll be lots of little things that kind of echo across the books. They’re two sides of the same coin, with radically different stories.”

The full roster: Captain America, Iron Man, Doctor Strange, Black Bolt (“back on Earth,” Hickman says), Namor (“despite everything that’s going on”), Black Panther (who, Hickman notes, originally declined Illuminati membership). “Even though some of them don’t like each other and don’t get along, they have to save the world.” Mr. Fantastic and Beast also appear to be on the New Avengers covers released today by Marvel.

When prompted by Alonso, Hickman says he wants to take the Avengers books in a “completely different direction,” with a much bigger scale, while staying true to the core concepts. “Take something from an A game to an A+ game.”

Brevoort adds that he sees the core Avengers book as “almost the Aaron Sorkin Avengers. Not in terms that they walk and talk a lot, but they’re built around this idea of big ideas and big idealism. Whereas the New Avengers are closer to the real world, and what goes on behind closed doors. These are the clandestine Avengers.”

Hickman says that his Avengers pitch probably could have gotten pitched “as is,” but if his Fantastic Four run hadn’t worked out, there was no way he could have done New Avengers, which he predicts to be the “sleeper hit” of Marvel NOW!.

First question, from us: What are the challenges in balancing such a large cast in Avengers, especially with multiple new characters? “We thought a lot about this, how to make something like this work. Just thinking of a structure with the rest of the guys We have a monthly ongoing Hulk book, and a Wolverine book, and a Captain America book… We have all of those books. So if you write a book about the Avengers, and it’s a team of all of those guys, really you limit yourself and what you can do in terms of character development. Structurally, we’re going with three issue arcs that are really big stories.” Hickman added that means the characters who will only appear in Avengers will be a focal point. “I’m not worried about it, I think we have a really smart plan to address it. The writing, at this point, feels like we’re accomplishing it.”

Next question, from iFanboy: Villains? Hickman says he’s “making a lot of new bad guys,” but there will also be updated versions of traditional Avengers enemies.

Next question, from IGN: How does Hickman compare Avengers to his Ultimates run? It’s a lot different, Hickman replies. “One of them felt like I could do whatever I wanted beyond any repercussions other than how it affected the story, and here, it’s not that way at all. And obviously the characters are different. It feels like two completely different jobs.”

Next question, from Kotaku: If the team has some lesser-known characters, what’s the strategy for meeting expectations? “We’re going to put Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Wolverine and Spider-Man on it,” Brevoort pointed out. Hickman says he’s not worried about it.

Next question, from io9: What motivated Hickman to include Sunspot and Cannonball? Hickman says he’s always liked them a lot. “Cannonball and Sunspot are, at least chronologically, younger characters,” Brevoort adds, which he says is always a good thing, but they’re also established Marvel characters who have earned their place.

Next question, from CBR: Does Hickman have similar goals as he did at the onset of his Fantastic Four run? “I have a responsibility to the company to sell a lot of copies, and I have a responsibility to the fans that they enjoy the sh*t out of it,” he replies. “I enjoy the fact that we’ve got killer artists, that always helps.”

Next question, from me: Are Beast and Mr. Fantastic, who appears to be on the covers, also part of New Avengers, and is that Hyperion on the cover of Avengers #4? Yes and yes.

Next question, from iFanboy, concerns the tension between the New Avengers members? “It’s always been a loose affiliation,” Hickman says, adding that it’s not a “cheery” story, and that issues like the ones between Namor and Black Panther will definitely be addressed.

Next questions, from IGN: Do either of the books pick up anything from Secret Warriors? Eden Fesi is in Avengers, and readers will learn more about how his powers affect the Marvel Universe.

Next question, from Kotaku: Does Hickman’s work on Fantastic Four and FF segue into these books? “If you’ve been reading the Fantastic Four books for the last six months or so, I’ve been dropping hints like crazy about the stuff that’s coming up,” Hickman says, especially with Black Panther, Reed Richards and Black Bolt.

Next question, from io9: Does the book touch on how the Avengers are viewed post-Avengers vs. X-Men? Brevoort says that’ll primarily be dealt with in Bendis’s final Avengers arcs, and that the Marvel NOW! series are meant to be more of a clean slate.

Next question, from CBR: Do the Avengers book have anything to do with returning to old-school Marvel ideals? “It would be strong to say that I don’t care about that, of course I care,” Hickman says, “It’s really not the point. The point is an entirely new direction, and entirely new adventures that are the logical next step of everything that’s happened in the Avengers before. It’s a new day kind of thing.

Last question, from Marvel.com: Who will the lead the Avengers? “Cap is in charge, of course,” Hickman says. “And he has two vice captains; Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers and Iron Man, Tony Stark. For bigger things, it splits into three fronts, with each one commanding the sub-squad. In New Avengers, they all think they’re in charge.” Brevoort says that in that book, “they’re all captains, with maybe one foot soldier, who’s conflicted about what he should do.”

To wrap up: Avengers #1 and #2 are both out in December, and the first two issues of New Avengers are out in January.

That’s it! Thanks for reading.

40 Responses to “Hickman Reveals First Marvel NOW! NEW AVENGERS Details”
  1. MATT_MURDOCK_CITY Says:

    I wonder why he didn’t mention Mr. Fantastic who seems to be clearly on the cover.

  2. chris Says:

    give me luke cage!

  3. Pete Says:

    umm… Hyperion? Really? That’s pretty cool.

  4. Pete Says:

    And is it just me or does the 2nd cover have a hidden Captain Marvel logo in it?

  5. Chris Says:

    Where are the ladies in NA? I’ve always hated that this grouping was a boys club. Seems a bit sexist, honestly.

  6. Magus Says:

    I’d say those are Infinity Gems on the one cover where they’re making a star with their hands…

  7. aquafan Says:

    In the madame web marvel now image of amazing, it LOOKS like there is a man dressed like Carol dancers new look. Also anything with Squadron Supreme characters get a thumbs up.

  8. Toby Kelly Says:

    Where are the women?

  9. NicholasHC Says:

    Oh damn!!! Hyperion!!!

  10. Octavio Says:

    I was expecting something like these as for new avengers

    @aqucafan if you are talking about the image in amazing 695 i think its carol danvers

  11. Octavio Says:

    also why nobody asked about the superior teaser is truly linked to amazing spiderman now that the coloer of the teaser are in blue and red

  12. Dark Knight Says:

    Wow….saw this coming a mile away…..but the way they describe it…it almost replaces Secret Avengers. I thought that it was being relaunched as well? And can it be 2.99 from Marvel? Or they gonna pull another Cable & X-Force on us? and it better not mean a 3 issue trade….rant over….

  13. John Says:

    Great recap of what was asked and who was asked by. This is by far the most indepth report of the call. Good work, Albert!

  14. BrendanSilent Says:

    i am extremely happy with everything in this article except for the possibility of 3-issue hardcovers/trades. that’s not an arc, that’s an annual!!

  15. Androoo Says:

    I’m looking forward to New Avengers now. And yeah, it has been a boys club, but currently I can’t think of a female major player that would fit in with them. But it’s great to see Carol Danvers getting a big role in Avengers.

  16. clancy Says:

    I wonder what will become of Daredevil, Iron Fist, Thing, Captain Britain, Valkyrie, Quicksilver, Jocasta and Tigra, Mockingbird and if Venom will still be part of the team.
    Would like to see Defenders become the Secret Avengers.
    I also see Sabra, Union Jack, Spitfire, Toro, Namora and Gorilla Man join.
    Also return of Black Knight.

    CLANCY

  17. clancy Says:

    What is the Omega effect? No one asked that question. Is it the return of Omega Man? If New Avengers are clandestine, maybe that should include a representative from all areas of Marvel. Eternals, Deviants, Asgardia, Olympus group, street level. I say Athena, Kro, Sif, Amedous Cho and Daredevil and or Iron Fist.

    CLANCY

  18. Kenny Says:

    I like Hickman, and I’m interested in the final lineup, but 12 out of 22 characters being “female or a minority” does not look like the world — that would imply that over half of the world is made up of white males. I think it’s a shame that so much of the relaunch has become a number’s game about inclusivity, but Marvel should have seen that coming with their promo materials. And since it did become an issue and Marvel has felt the need to address it in the media, they should at least be honest about it. If it actually looked like the world, half of the team would be female and only 3 or 4 of the characters would be white.

  19. smooth_operator Says:

    I’m on board with Now!, except for their new angle on covers. Would love to see covers go back to using a clearly identifiable logo and layout.
    I’m one that likes to pick thru boxes at comic shows, these new covers are going to make that a nightmare a couple years from now.

  20. Kenny Says:

    Mean “just under” half of the world is made of white males, not “just over”.

  21. Collin Says:

    Go Team Venture!

  22. Gonzo Says:

    Clearly, some of the white males will have to turn black and/or sprout tits. Is the world ready for BLACK SHE-BEAST?

  23. Other Chris Says:

    Yay, it’s the return of my least-favorite Bendis concept (and that, my friends, is saying something): the Illuminati! As if all your childhood heroes haven’t become dickish enough, let’s do it again! This time with Beast! Yay!

    CLANCY

  24. Ash Talon Says:

    Really Kenny? Sorry, but I find it refreshing that they’re trying to make the Avengers have a membership that is more diverse (of the entire Marvel Universe including sex, race, and mini-verses) than previous line-ups. I’m not going to play the nitpicking number game and accuse them of getting their percentages wrong.

  25. Captlobi Says:

    I agree Kenny. If characters are cool and fit in to a plot then all is well. If they are tossed in because the vocal majority calls for it well then go jump off a cliff.

  26. Captlobi Says:

    I meant vocal minority. Heh.

  27. Kenny Says:

    Yes, Ash Talon, really. As I said, I think it’s too bad that they’ve had to specifically address the make up of the team. And I think it’s great that they’ll have some diversity on the team. But saying the team is going to “look like the world” is a very bold statement. My point isn’t that the team should change to fit a quota system based on race or gender but that there should be some self-awareness and thought about what a phrase like that really entails. I don’t think a writer has a moral imperative to make sure that the characters proportionately represent different groups of people, but I also don’t think a writer should be necessarily proud of inclusiveness or equal representation when 45% of the team members are white males.

  28. beane2099 Says:

    I think it’s important to put a focus on diversity, as long as it’s made to seem like it’s a corporately mandated thing. Frankly there’s tons of characters that are just awesome and (happen to be a minority) that would make great Avengers. Black Panther and Storm to me are no brainers as Avengers. Between T’challa’s intelligence and fighting skills and Storm’s power set why wouldn’t you want them on a team? Sabra has potential too. Believe it or not, as a teenager, I always wasted to see Blade and Cable on the Avengers (Cable isn’t a minority per say, but I like the idea of him and Blade together). Of course these ideas are predicated on the notion that this is done for altruistic and creative reasons not corporate money mongering reasons.

  29. beane2099 Says:

    Also, in terms of arguing over quotas and percentages, who cares? I think some folks are taking that “looks like the world” thing a little too literally. It’s about creative choices too. If Hickman wants to have an Avengers roster that’s 50/50 in that department, let him. This isn’t an exact science and I highly doubt Hickman meant those words to be translated into an equation of exact ratios and proportions.

  30. Stevens61310 Says:

    I am always hooked when I hear “dark and apocaplyptic”. On the other hand how “dark and apocalyptic” can you get with some of the mainstays of the heroic marvel universe??

  31. Chris Says:

    Sounds like Hickman wants to take the Avengers the way of Warren Ellis’s The Authority (e.g. Bigger threats, badder villains).

  32. Foxx Says:

    Since when does every team have to be exactly gender balanced? Does everything have to be uber PC?

  33. CT Says:

    I don’t care if one’s black, one’s white and one’s blonde…just tell good stories!

  34. irv Says:

    every team doesn’t have to be gender balanced or pc, but it would be nice if every team wasn’t a sausage party too.

  35. Marvel Zombie Says:

    Well I don’t like the concept that much. Why does it need Cap and Iron Man? Cap is on Uncanny Avengers and Avengers. Let Black Panther led this team. How is Reed here when he’s in space in Fantastic Four? I don’t care who’s white, black or female. But when you do it for that reason it seems wrong. Too many people are on too many teams and solo books a month. Know who else would be a good team leader and a step up for him? Spiderman. He did pretty good with his little team in Ends of the Earth.

  36. Atlas Says:

    I have to agree with Kenny on this one. It’s easy to say people are reading too much into the “12 out of 22″ statement when you aren’t a female or minority, but when you do fit into that category, you’re left feeling like these guys are now resorting to picking through scraps. Honestly Hickman could have picked any character he wanted and I would have been fine, but making a public announcement that a new line up meant to look like “the real world” (but not really though) feels more separatist rather than inclusive.

  37. Victor Freeman Says:

    I disagree. Cap is there because he is the “top cop” of the U.S and commander of SHIELD. Period. Ironman is there because he was one of the original members. Reed’s Space trip is all by 5 mins, that’s how long they are gone. Sure, Black Panther should lead the NEW AVENGERS–BUT he’s the central character on a non-traditional team.

    About the AVENGERS book, It’s simple math guys. First, there was ZERO chance that the movie characters were not going to be on the team. ZERO CHANCE. Marketing would not allow that even if Hickman wanted to…

    …So right there you have Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Hulk, Ironman, Thor and other movie characters like Spiderman and Wolverine. That’s 8 characters out of the original size spoken of (18), now expanded to 24 roster.

    That’s 8 characters right off the bat that’s shoe horned into the roster. So from there you now have non-movie rosters to look at with 12 possible female/minority characters out 16 over all characters. That’s not bad.

    You have to look at it like that. It’s really 12 out of 16 characters. Because the Movie characters that are a part of multi-million dollar franchises and a billion dollar movie were not going to be left off the roster. No matter how much some folks might have wanted. That’s just reality.

    If you include Manifold (minority), Sunfire (minority), Shang Chi (minority, Falcon (minority), Captain Marvel (female). I think this is a step in the right direction.

  38. Leo Barentine Says:

    Is it just me seeing things or not but on the cover of New Avengers#2 at the tips of the fingers I see six (yellow-Reality,purple-space,Gold-time,Blue-mind,Green-soul,Red-Power)Infinity Gems. Does anyone else see them? or am I seeing things?

  39. Cyclonus Says:

    black panther as an illuminati member? not a good fit.

    captain britian makes a good member as he was featured in the illuminati in the marvel ultimate alliance video game.

    i hope the phoenix brings professor xavier, banshee and jean gray back to life.

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