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	<title>Comments on: Random Thoughts About AVENGERS VS X-MEN&#8217;s Big Death</title>
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		<title>By: Steven R. Stahl</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/09/14/random-thoughts-about-avengers-vs-x-mens-big-death/comment-page-1/#comment-758857</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven R. Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Huh? I’m not quite sure why fewer mutants means NO FUTURE. Nothing you say makes any sense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Evolution of the species has been done in SF a bunch of times; people have to deal with the evolution of the species as a whole, in addition to the evolution of individual people. That means ordinary people becoming the minority and eventually dying out. If mutants are forever a persecuted minority, they&#039;re not the face of evolution. They&#039;re not the future.

SRS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Huh? I’m not quite sure why fewer mutants means NO FUTURE. Nothing you say makes any sense.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Evolution of the species has been done in SF a bunch of times; people have to deal with the evolution of the species as a whole, in addition to the evolution of individual people. That means ordinary people becoming the minority and eventually dying out. If mutants are forever a persecuted minority, they&#8217;re not the face of evolution. They&#8217;re not the future.</p>
<p>SRS</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Xavier’s dream, just like Magneto’s opposing viewpoint of mutant dominance and inevitable race war, became irrelevant after M-Day, once there weren’t enough mutants for peaceful cohabitation with humanity – or war with humanity, for that matter – to make any real difference.&quot;

Huh? I&#039;m not quite sure why fewer mutants means NO FUTURE. Nothing you say makes any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Xavier’s dream, just like Magneto’s opposing viewpoint of mutant dominance and inevitable race war, became irrelevant after M-Day, once there weren’t enough mutants for peaceful cohabitation with humanity – or war with humanity, for that matter – to make any real difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh? I&#8217;m not quite sure why fewer mutants means NO FUTURE. Nothing you say makes any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Meh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imo we will only truly knows where they can go from there , once they get rid of xavier (in death or otherwise) for good (well at least for more than 3 months) .

In the Cyclops Era they didnt really get rid of him , they made him comeback to the sidelines to help with any kind of crisis . Hell they even found a way to involve him further with the illuminati .

The &quot;cyclops era&quot; and &quot;no more mutants&quot; era was full of great stories imo . I love what was done with the X universe in the past years and the new energie it brought .

But it&#039;s time to see the X-men truly without Xavier , and we finally get a serious chance for that imo .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imo we will only truly knows where they can go from there , once they get rid of xavier (in death or otherwise) for good (well at least for more than 3 months) .</p>
<p>In the Cyclops Era they didnt really get rid of him , they made him comeback to the sidelines to help with any kind of crisis . Hell they even found a way to involve him further with the illuminati .</p>
<p>The &#8220;cyclops era&#8221; and &#8220;no more mutants&#8221; era was full of great stories imo . I love what was done with the X universe in the past years and the new energie it brought .</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s time to see the X-men truly without Xavier , and we finally get a serious chance for that imo .</p>
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		<title>By: moose n squirrel</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/09/14/random-thoughts-about-avengers-vs-x-mens-big-death/comment-page-1/#comment-758604</link>
		<dc:creator>moose n squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 02:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;like i’ve said we have mostly seen people SURVIVE without Xavier’s help … not so much them dealing with the dream of cohabitation with humankind .&quot;

But that&#039;s just it - Xavier&#039;s dream, just like Magneto&#039;s opposing viewpoint of mutant dominance and inevitable race war, became irrelevant after M-Day, once there weren&#039;t enough mutants for peaceful cohabitation with humanity - or war with humanity, for that matter - to make any real difference. Professor X, for better or for worse, was always there to represent the grander themes and scope in the X-books - and that scope becomes necessarily smaller when the comic goes from being about the future of humanity to being about a couple dozen random people holed up on an island trying to survive.

So in that context, of course Professor X is going to be sidelined or killed off - he&#039;s a character who&#039;s all about the future of mutantkind, and when mutantkind quite explicitly doesn&#039;t have a future, there&#039;s nothing much for him to do. The problem is, there&#039;s nothing much for the X-Men in general to do, either. Do they go back to Utopia and sit around in survivalist mode? Do they go back to Wolverine&#039;s mansion and try training &quot;the next generation of mutants&quot; - y&#039;know, the one that barely exists? Do they just turn into Avengers who wear X&#039;s on their costumes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;like i’ve said we have mostly seen people SURVIVE without Xavier’s help … not so much them dealing with the dream of cohabitation with humankind .&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just it &#8211; Xavier&#8217;s dream, just like Magneto&#8217;s opposing viewpoint of mutant dominance and inevitable race war, became irrelevant after M-Day, once there weren&#8217;t enough mutants for peaceful cohabitation with humanity &#8211; or war with humanity, for that matter &#8211; to make any real difference. Professor X, for better or for worse, was always there to represent the grander themes and scope in the X-books &#8211; and that scope becomes necessarily smaller when the comic goes from being about the future of humanity to being about a couple dozen random people holed up on an island trying to survive.</p>
<p>So in that context, of course Professor X is going to be sidelined or killed off &#8211; he&#8217;s a character who&#8217;s all about the future of mutantkind, and when mutantkind quite explicitly doesn&#8217;t have a future, there&#8217;s nothing much for him to do. The problem is, there&#8217;s nothing much for the X-Men in general to do, either. Do they go back to Utopia and sit around in survivalist mode? Do they go back to Wolverine&#8217;s mansion and try training &#8220;the next generation of mutants&#8221; &#8211; y&#8217;know, the one that barely exists? Do they just turn into Avengers who wear X&#8217;s on their costumes?</p>
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		<title>By: Meh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We’ve already been seeing a world without Xavier for the last several years, and seen what characters Marvel has chosen to push into that role instead&quot;

Not really imo . like i&#039;ve said we have mostly seen people SURVIVE without Xavier&#039;s help ... not so much them dealing with the dream of cohabitation with humankind .

Whenever potential inways were made , like the whole move to San francisco and Utopia , something major was always on the horizon to distract them from addressing truly living and evolving without Xaviers guidance .

And gratuiteous or not , Xavier death is at least a good deterrent from constantly falling to him for help .

The problem with Xavier is that shunned and left depowered after Deadly Genesis , they could and should have left him depowered , so we could truly see a world without Xavier&#039;s influence .

The only time we truly did so far was the Age of Apocalypse .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We’ve already been seeing a world without Xavier for the last several years, and seen what characters Marvel has chosen to push into that role instead&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really imo . like i&#8217;ve said we have mostly seen people SURVIVE without Xavier&#8217;s help &#8230; not so much them dealing with the dream of cohabitation with humankind .</p>
<p>Whenever potential inways were made , like the whole move to San francisco and Utopia , something major was always on the horizon to distract them from addressing truly living and evolving without Xaviers guidance .</p>
<p>And gratuiteous or not , Xavier death is at least a good deterrent from constantly falling to him for help .</p>
<p>The problem with Xavier is that shunned and left depowered after Deadly Genesis , they could and should have left him depowered , so we could truly see a world without Xavier&#8217;s influence .</p>
<p>The only time we truly did so far was the Age of Apocalypse .</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. moose n squirrel&#039;s comments are a beautiful example of someone who has read ABOUT the stories but not the stories themselves. Nothing he/she says holds an ounce of water if you&#039;ve actually read the comics in question. And ideas like &quot;the X-books are being gradually swallowed by the Avengers line&quot; are so bonkers and childish I don&#039;t even know what to say.

Having said all that, if I hadn&#039;t read about it in the news I wouldn&#039;t know that Professor X was supposed to be dead. Can&#039;t they put him in the same Phoenix healing chamber they put Hawkeye in a few issue ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. moose n squirrel&#8217;s comments are a beautiful example of someone who has read ABOUT the stories but not the stories themselves. Nothing he/she says holds an ounce of water if you&#8217;ve actually read the comics in question. And ideas like &#8220;the X-books are being gradually swallowed by the Avengers line&#8221; are so bonkers and childish I don&#8217;t even know what to say.</p>
<p>Having said all that, if I hadn&#8217;t read about it in the news I wouldn&#8217;t know that Professor X was supposed to be dead. Can&#8217;t they put him in the same Phoenix healing chamber they put Hawkeye in a few issue ago?</p>
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		<title>By: moose n squirrel</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/09/14/random-thoughts-about-avengers-vs-x-mens-big-death/comment-page-1/#comment-758551</link>
		<dc:creator>moose n squirrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bendis&#039;s rationale for killing off Xavier feels a bit hollow when one realizes that Xavier had been sidelined for years anyway - what exactly is the point of killing him off when he was largely absent to begin with? We&#039;ve already been seeing a world without Xavier for the last several years, and seen what characters Marvel has chosen to push into that role instead (Cyclops, Emma, and Wolverine, mostly). Pulling the character out of mothballs just to kill him off reads as dramatically weightless - a desperate and failed attempt at injecting narrative significance into a crossover that&#039;s been on the verge of incoherence for some time.

While taking Xavier out of the picture entirely and forcing the characters to deal with his death (again!) may seem like it might have some dramatic possibilities, it&#039;s not nearly enough to make up for the fact that the X-titles in general are broken, and really have been since M-day. The X-Men aren&#039;t relevant in a world where the mutant population isn&#039;t big enough to fill a high school gymnasium; all those grand arguments between Xavier and Magneto about the future of mutantkind are beside the point when mutantkind has no future. Without a larger mutant population to represent or fight for, the last several years of X-men stories have become plodding exercises in rehashing a sort of Gilligan&#039;s Island plot - everyone&#039;s stuck in the same miserable status quo and looking for a way out, which will never arrive. Is it any wonder that the X-books are being gradually swallowed by the Avengers line - a series of comics as directionless as the X-books, but anchored to a successful film series, and the cynical-but-winning premise of &quot;here are all the popular characters, all in one place&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bendis&#8217;s rationale for killing off Xavier feels a bit hollow when one realizes that Xavier had been sidelined for years anyway &#8211; what exactly is the point of killing him off when he was largely absent to begin with? We&#8217;ve already been seeing a world without Xavier for the last several years, and seen what characters Marvel has chosen to push into that role instead (Cyclops, Emma, and Wolverine, mostly). Pulling the character out of mothballs just to kill him off reads as dramatically weightless &#8211; a desperate and failed attempt at injecting narrative significance into a crossover that&#8217;s been on the verge of incoherence for some time.</p>
<p>While taking Xavier out of the picture entirely and forcing the characters to deal with his death (again!) may seem like it might have some dramatic possibilities, it&#8217;s not nearly enough to make up for the fact that the X-titles in general are broken, and really have been since M-day. The X-Men aren&#8217;t relevant in a world where the mutant population isn&#8217;t big enough to fill a high school gymnasium; all those grand arguments between Xavier and Magneto about the future of mutantkind are beside the point when mutantkind has no future. Without a larger mutant population to represent or fight for, the last several years of X-men stories have become plodding exercises in rehashing a sort of Gilligan&#8217;s Island plot &#8211; everyone&#8217;s stuck in the same miserable status quo and looking for a way out, which will never arrive. Is it any wonder that the X-books are being gradually swallowed by the Avengers line &#8211; a series of comics as directionless as the X-books, but anchored to a successful film series, and the cynical-but-winning premise of &#8220;here are all the popular characters, all in one place&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe S. Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe S. Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder what people thought when Xavier first died in X-Men #42.&quot;

Well, it really hadn&#039;t been done before - that was the first time Marvel had killed off an established major. Grieving letters appeared in subsequent issues&#039; letters pages.

I don&#039;t think anyone noticed that Roy Thomas had left a way open to bring him back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder what people thought when Xavier first died in X-Men #42.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, it really hadn&#8217;t been done before &#8211; that was the first time Marvel had killed off an established major. Grieving letters appeared in subsequent issues&#8217; letters pages.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone noticed that Roy Thomas had left a way open to bring him back.</p>
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		<title>By: Other Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Other Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 05:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>googum, you said it perfectly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>googum, you said it perfectly</p>
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		<title>By: Meh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 02:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to defend the idea per se ... but i think it will stick for a long whole . It&#039;s relatively time to maybe retire the character .

His tenure at the helm of mutant things have been over already for a while , and he&#039;s been as involved than Cyclops in dubious and nefarious choices imo over the past decades ((remember the events of Deadly genesis and his illuminati membership among other things ?) .

Dead or alive , it&#039;s time to see if the vision can live and thrive without his constant input and nagging .

The cyclop era was supposed to show that , but cataclysmic events made it much more about raw survival than the &quot;original dream&quot; to be enough of a good test run</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to defend the idea per se &#8230; but i think it will stick for a long whole . It&#8217;s relatively time to maybe retire the character .</p>
<p>His tenure at the helm of mutant things have been over already for a while , and he&#8217;s been as involved than Cyclops in dubious and nefarious choices imo over the past decades ((remember the events of Deadly genesis and his illuminati membership among other things ?) .</p>
<p>Dead or alive , it&#8217;s time to see if the vision can live and thrive without his constant input and nagging .</p>
<p>The cyclop era was supposed to show that , but cataclysmic events made it much more about raw survival than the &#8220;original dream&#8221; to be enough of a good test run</p>
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		<title>By: justasking</title>
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		<dc:creator>justasking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Marvel put out a crossover lately without the big death issue?  I dont know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Marvel put out a crossover lately without the big death issue?  I dont know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what people thought when Xavier first died in X-Men #42. Admittedly, readership on that title had not yet reached its peak...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what people thought when Xavier first died in X-Men #42. Admittedly, readership on that title had not yet reached its peak&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: googum</title>
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		<dc:creator>googum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to articulate this for a bit. I know these are just characters, but when the writers and editors talk about Xavier having more dramatic &quot;value&quot; dead, or him dying as a story beat; well, he&#039;s not a character anymore then, he&#039;s a cog.  And a cog Marvel figures they can do without, until they need him again. Why should readers care about his death, if the creators don&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to articulate this for a bit. I know these are just characters, but when the writers and editors talk about Xavier having more dramatic &#8220;value&#8221; dead, or him dying as a story beat; well, he&#8217;s not a character anymore then, he&#8217;s a cog.  And a cog Marvel figures they can do without, until they need him again. Why should readers care about his death, if the creators don&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Garret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Garret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s more than just &quot;big death&quot; fatigue in this case.  I think the fact that Marvel undid the big moments in &quot;Fear, Itself&quot; just a few months later undercuts the end of AvX #11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s more than just &#8220;big death&#8221; fatigue in this case.  I think the fact that Marvel undid the big moments in &#8220;Fear, Itself&#8221; just a few months later undercuts the end of AvX #11.</p>
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