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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Not Called The Old 52 For A Reason</title>
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		<title>By: Raye</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-757866</link>
		<dc:creator>Raye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(* I tend to agree with Rucka so much that I’m tempted to just start a regular thing called “Greg Rucka Talks Sense” which I just randomly quote him about various topics. That wouldn’t be weird, right…?)</description>
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		<title>By: jaymes</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756866</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 23:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new are books are great Aquaman &amp; Nightwing are good but all the new titles that came out are incredible. Frankenstein,Grifter, Worlds&#039;Finest, Earth 2 and Stormwatch  are my favorites and I&#039;m looking forward to reading Team 7 &amp; Phantom Stranger. 
But a special thanks to Teen Titans,if not for your book I wouldn&#039;t be reading Spideman &amp; Youngblood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new are books are great Aquaman &amp; Nightwing are good but all the new titles that came out are incredible. Frankenstein,Grifter, Worlds&#8217;Finest, Earth 2 and Stormwatch  are my favorites and I&#8217;m looking forward to reading Team 7 &amp; Phantom Stranger.<br />
But a special thanks to Teen Titans,if not for your book I wouldn&#8217;t be reading Spideman &amp; Youngblood</p>
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		<title>By: MarkR</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756824</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 15:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone keeps saying that any fan who is upset &quot;should put their money where their mouth is&quot; and to &quot;vote with their wallet.&quot;

So guess what?  DC has finally pushed this long-term Superman fan away. I am tired of reading these comics and cringing every other page.  DC may still be happy to ride the Didio-Lee-Johns bus of ruin for Superman but I wll be getting off here.

I told my local shop to cancel all of my Superman pulls and to drop JL.  Considering how much I spend on those titles, I now have $300 per year more to spend on books I might enjoy.

Voting with my wallet - hope you&#039;re happy DC Editorial!!

On another note, I think it&#039;s kind of crappy that major character developments have to happen within the JL title instead of being handled by the writers of the individual books.  I thought that it was always supposed to be the other way around at DC.  If a change happened in the solo title, then it had to be reflected in the group title.  I&#039;m just saying....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone keeps saying that any fan who is upset &#8220;should put their money where their mouth is&#8221; and to &#8220;vote with their wallet.&#8221;</p>
<p>So guess what?  DC has finally pushed this long-term Superman fan away. I am tired of reading these comics and cringing every other page.  DC may still be happy to ride the Didio-Lee-Johns bus of ruin for Superman but I wll be getting off here.</p>
<p>I told my local shop to cancel all of my Superman pulls and to drop JL.  Considering how much I spend on those titles, I now have $300 per year more to spend on books I might enjoy.</p>
<p>Voting with my wallet &#8211; hope you&#8217;re happy DC Editorial!!</p>
<p>On another note, I think it&#8217;s kind of crappy that major character developments have to happen within the JL title instead of being handled by the writers of the individual books.  I thought that it was always supposed to be the other way around at DC.  If a change happened in the solo title, then it had to be reflected in the group title.  I&#8217;m just saying&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756688</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 18:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t Rucka the guy hell bent on trying to hook up Wonder Woman with Batman cause he thinks she likes badboys? Remember the much mocked Blackest Night Wonder Woman where Diana was inferred to be pining for the Bat when nothing like that was going on the other comics? Gail Simone was doing something totally different with Diana and Tom and Bats was busy confessing love for Selina. Was that not going to undermine Wonder Woman? DC got wind of what he was going to do and stopped him in his tracks. I think we have double bind messages here to be honest.Rucka has his bias too.I find it a little over dramatic he is trying say he is so &quot;empty&quot; over this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Rucka the guy hell bent on trying to hook up Wonder Woman with Batman cause he thinks she likes badboys? Remember the much mocked Blackest Night Wonder Woman where Diana was inferred to be pining for the Bat when nothing like that was going on the other comics? Gail Simone was doing something totally different with Diana and Tom and Bats was busy confessing love for Selina. Was that not going to undermine Wonder Woman? DC got wind of what he was going to do and stopped him in his tracks. I think we have double bind messages here to be honest.Rucka has his bias too.I find it a little over dramatic he is trying say he is so &#8220;empty&#8221; over this.</p>
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		<title>By: Meh</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756615</link>
		<dc:creator>Meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 03:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really ? it feels like every reboot dc did to the universe every 5 or so years so far .

And as usual there are things to enjoy despite that from it , but people that enjoy the reboot should not mind other voicing their concerns .

Why do they even care if they are already happy ? You&#039;ve won guys ! The negative minority IS a sales minority , as even disgruntled fans will keep bying hoping to see a change back or toward something else .

At the very least you better not dare complain at your turn , when your neat &quot;new 52&quot; inevitably get rebooted . It&#039;s a question of when .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really ? it feels like every reboot dc did to the universe every 5 or so years so far .</p>
<p>And as usual there are things to enjoy despite that from it , but people that enjoy the reboot should not mind other voicing their concerns .</p>
<p>Why do they even care if they are already happy ? You&#8217;ve won guys ! The negative minority IS a sales minority , as even disgruntled fans will keep bying hoping to see a change back or toward something else .</p>
<p>At the very least you better not dare complain at your turn , when your neat &#8220;new 52&#8243; inevitably get rebooted . It&#8217;s a question of when .</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756606</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 00:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may not be reading all the DC books, I wish I could afford to, anyways, I don&#039;t even think twice about what happens in those new  monthly issues, I just enjoy the ride...from what I read in Action Comics to Superman to Justice League etc. etc. I&#039;m not one bit confused or questioning anything. Why should I? 70 years of history erased. Do we really realize how this can all be cleared up in another 70 years...as if it would really drag out for 70 years...hmmm...nah...in a few years we may not get all the answers but I hope DC continues with the New 52 path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not be reading all the DC books, I wish I could afford to, anyways, I don&#8217;t even think twice about what happens in those new  monthly issues, I just enjoy the ride&#8230;from what I read in Action Comics to Superman to Justice League etc. etc. I&#8217;m not one bit confused or questioning anything. Why should I? 70 years of history erased. Do we really realize how this can all be cleared up in another 70 years&#8230;as if it would really drag out for 70 years&#8230;hmmm&#8230;nah&#8230;in a few years we may not get all the answers but I hope DC continues with the New 52 path.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756594</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 22:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sighs* It&#039;s just feel the same without the real DCU.
Damnit, I miss it all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sighs* It&#8217;s just feel the same without the real DCU.<br />
Damnit, I miss it all</p>
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		<title>By: Michael T. simpson</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756574</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael T. simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they ever put The Crime Syndicate (Evil alternate version of the Justice Leauge) in their own comic that&#039;ll be the only comic I&#039;m reading.</description>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756559</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the idea was to create something all new then they should have done so across the board instead of this mash-up of surviving continuities, re-boots, changed-up origins, etc. It&#039;s all pretty joyless--an unhappy universe. Oh, it&#039;s so bold &amp; daring to throw out the old history of an established character isn&#039;t it and make him unrecognizable to his longtime fans. It&#039;s more arrogance than boldness.  How about just creating new characters with the same names as was done in the Silver Age. Then the &quot;new&quot; universe would be more cohesive and truly new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the idea was to create something all new then they should have done so across the board instead of this mash-up of surviving continuities, re-boots, changed-up origins, etc. It&#8217;s all pretty joyless&#8211;an unhappy universe. Oh, it&#8217;s so bold &amp; daring to throw out the old history of an established character isn&#8217;t it and make him unrecognizable to his longtime fans. It&#8217;s more arrogance than boldness.  How about just creating new characters with the same names as was done in the Silver Age. Then the &#8220;new&#8221; universe would be more cohesive and truly new.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756550</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rucka, the whole point of the NEW DCU is to tell new stories, redefine characters, etc. The problem most people have with this reboot is that it hasn&#039;t been done very well: there are thing that don&#039;t make sense (Batman&#039;s entire universe for one, if the Batman was new five years ago, when was Damien concieved?) there are other things that haven&#039;t been done very well (the Teen Titans/Superboy crossovers and overlap seem to be trying to force people to read both books if they want either to make sense half the time) and then there&#039;s the fact that a lot of the titles don&#039;t feel particularly new. it&#039;s the same old established writers doing their same old established thing. Which is fine, but when you reboot an entire universe, maybe it&#039;d be a good idea to bring in some new blood to provide new perspectives and ideas instead of taking away Superman&#039;s pants and adding more lines to most of the costumes. Oh, also make sure that an issue that costs 4 dollars is worth 4 dollars, I.E something actually happens in it. I&#039;m looking at you Justice League issues 2-5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rucka, the whole point of the NEW DCU is to tell new stories, redefine characters, etc. The problem most people have with this reboot is that it hasn&#8217;t been done very well: there are thing that don&#8217;t make sense (Batman&#8217;s entire universe for one, if the Batman was new five years ago, when was Damien concieved?) there are other things that haven&#8217;t been done very well (the Teen Titans/Superboy crossovers and overlap seem to be trying to force people to read both books if they want either to make sense half the time) and then there&#8217;s the fact that a lot of the titles don&#8217;t feel particularly new. it&#8217;s the same old established writers doing their same old established thing. Which is fine, but when you reboot an entire universe, maybe it&#8217;d be a good idea to bring in some new blood to provide new perspectives and ideas instead of taking away Superman&#8217;s pants and adding more lines to most of the costumes. Oh, also make sure that an issue that costs 4 dollars is worth 4 dollars, I.E something actually happens in it. I&#8217;m looking at you Justice League issues 2-5.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon's cat</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756548</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon's cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except this Superman/Wonder Woman thing has already happened many times before in the old DCU and there is nothing &quot;new&quot; about it! Glad to see that most DCnU titles now sell less than 2010 or even 2011 before the reboot. You deserve the upconing disaster DC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except this Superman/Wonder Woman thing has already happened many times before in the old DCU and there is nothing &#8220;new&#8221; about it! Glad to see that most DCnU titles now sell less than 2010 or even 2011 before the reboot. You deserve the upconing disaster DC!</p>
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		<title>By: RunnerX13</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756521</link>
		<dc:creator>RunnerX13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it, Lois and Clark were like Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt, and Wonder Woman and Superman are like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt.  Each made/makes sense for the time.  Now let&#039;s just hope Diana doesn&#039;t turn into a skeleton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it, Lois and Clark were like Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt, and Wonder Woman and Superman are like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt.  Each made/makes sense for the time.  Now let&#8217;s just hope Diana doesn&#8217;t turn into a skeleton.</p>
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		<title>By: RunnerX13</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756519</link>
		<dc:creator>RunnerX13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Simon DelMonte- Remember to take out the staples.</description>
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		<title>By: Comic-Reader Lad</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756471</link>
		<dc:creator>Comic-Reader Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 06:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of negativity from fans as usual, so I&#039;ll just go on record in saying that I much prefer the New 52 to what came before.  If continuity is your biggest pleasure from comics, then I can see why you have problems with the reboot, but if you just like comics for the stories and new and interesting connections between characters that weren&#039;t possible before -- not to mention not being able to predict where everything is going a year before it happens -- then the new 52 is for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of negativity from fans as usual, so I&#8217;ll just go on record in saying that I much prefer the New 52 to what came before.  If continuity is your biggest pleasure from comics, then I can see why you have problems with the reboot, but if you just like comics for the stories and new and interesting connections between characters that weren&#8217;t possible before &#8212; not to mention not being able to predict where everything is going a year before it happens &#8212; then the new 52 is for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gonzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756454</link>
		<dc:creator>Gonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 00:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golden / Silver Age Superman: unrequited love / chaste triangle
Post-Crisis Superman: marriage
DC-52 Superman: casual hookup

Golden / Silver Age Batman: no serious relationships
Post-Crisis Batman: James Bond
DC-52 Batman: Catwoman is his f-buddy

Golden / Silver Age Wonder Woman: unconsummated secret love / subtext galore
Post-Crisis Wonder Woman: Dates some Jewish guy, breaks up
DC-52 Wonder Woman: casual hookup

Maybe this just reflects changing courtship behavior (and publishing taboos) in American society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golden / Silver Age Superman: unrequited love / chaste triangle<br />
Post-Crisis Superman: marriage<br />
DC-52 Superman: casual hookup</p>
<p>Golden / Silver Age Batman: no serious relationships<br />
Post-Crisis Batman: James Bond<br />
DC-52 Batman: Catwoman is his f-buddy</p>
<p>Golden / Silver Age Wonder Woman: unconsummated secret love / subtext galore<br />
Post-Crisis Wonder Woman: Dates some Jewish guy, breaks up<br />
DC-52 Wonder Woman: casual hookup</p>
<p>Maybe this just reflects changing courtship behavior (and publishing taboos) in American society?</p>
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		<title>By: Chazro</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756439</link>
		<dc:creator>Chazro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 22:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an old-timer who&#039;s always loved comix, especially DC, I&#039;ve stopped reading new books since the advent of DCNU.  I picked up the 1st Action &amp; Batman.  Snyder &amp; Capullo are the ONLY book worth following.  I looked at JL and Superman but didn&#039;t/don&#039;t think they&#039;re worth the effort.  Now I just read comix from the library or sit and read a few at B&amp;N, but I don&#039;t BUY comix anymore.  I feel like I&#039;m missing tidbits here and there but overall, DC AND Marvel have lost their way.  I don&#039;t see comic books even existing 10-20 yrs from now.  Hope I&#039;m wrong but....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an old-timer who&#8217;s always loved comix, especially DC, I&#8217;ve stopped reading new books since the advent of DCNU.  I picked up the 1st Action &amp; Batman.  Snyder &amp; Capullo are the ONLY book worth following.  I looked at JL and Superman but didn&#8217;t/don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re worth the effort.  Now I just read comix from the library or sit and read a few at B&amp;N, but I don&#8217;t BUY comix anymore.  I feel like I&#8217;m missing tidbits here and there but overall, DC AND Marvel have lost their way.  I don&#8217;t see comic books even existing 10-20 yrs from now.  Hope I&#8217;m wrong but&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will say this for the New 52.  I don&#039;t want Lois and Clark back together yet.  I would like it to happen, but took them how many years after Crisis to finally make it official, then longer still for them to finally get married.  The romance with Wonder Woman makes sense at the moment, and at this point in their stories.  If this is actually going to last, then lets have some new stuff before we go back to the mythos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say this for the New 52.  I don&#8217;t want Lois and Clark back together yet.  I would like it to happen, but took them how many years after Crisis to finally make it official, then longer still for them to finally get married.  The romance with Wonder Woman makes sense at the moment, and at this point in their stories.  If this is actually going to last, then lets have some new stuff before we go back to the mythos.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you read further on Rucka&#039;s blog he talks about the ClarkXDiana hook-up leaving him feeling empty and that he hates the New 52 for multiple reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you read further on Rucka&#8217;s blog he talks about the ClarkXDiana hook-up leaving him feeling empty and that he hates the New 52 for multiple reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756427</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Instead we are being given reboots by the very writers and the editor in chief who were behind the bankruptcy of 90s Marvel Comics. &lt;&lt;

Oh, the $330 million dollars Perlman took from Marvel&#039;s profits while he leveraged debt against the company for the purchase of Fleer and Toy Biz and everything else he was doing with Marvel&#039;s profits had nothing to do with the bankruptcy?

Your premise is Marvel went bankrupt because Bob was editor in chief, Scott and I were selling more monthly copies of the X-books than had ever sold before (and that is numerical reality and not in ANY way a qualitative statement, since we couldn&#039;t hold a candle to the best of Chris, John, JR and Paul Smith)?

Is that your theory? Feel free to back it with facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Instead we are being given reboots by the very writers and the editor in chief who were behind the bankruptcy of 90s Marvel Comics. &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Oh, the $330 million dollars Perlman took from Marvel&#039;s profits while he leveraged debt against the company for the purchase of Fleer and Toy Biz and everything else he was doing with Marvel&#039;s profits had nothing to do with the bankruptcy?</p>
<p>Your premise is Marvel went bankrupt because Bob was editor in chief, Scott and I were selling more monthly copies of the X-books than had ever sold before (and that is numerical reality and not in ANY way a qualitative statement, since we couldn&#039;t hold a candle to the best of Chris, John, JR and Paul Smith)?</p>
<p>Is that your theory? Feel free to back it with facts.</p>
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		<title>By: BM</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756426</link>
		<dc:creator>BM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said it a year ago and I&#039;m saying it now. the biggest problem with the &#039;New&#039; 52 is that it is is not new! I was never in favour of the &#039;reboot&#039; but once DC decided they needed to &#039;reboot&#039; they had to go all or nothing! In for a penny, in for a pound! Once they decided on this soft/half reboot nothing made sense. they have taken 60 years or complex /evolved stories and characters and put them all in a pot, shaken them up and hope that the results can be great! How could they be. What they actually have here is George&#039;s Marvellous Medicine! Crazy results where some characters grow huge and others shrink into &#039;Atom&#039; size. For the reader though the results are just bewildering What happened ? Whatd did&#039;nt? The tragedy is, who cares?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said it a year ago and I&#8217;m saying it now. the biggest problem with the &#8216;New&#8217; 52 is that it is is not new! I was never in favour of the &#8216;reboot&#8217; but once DC decided they needed to &#8216;reboot&#8217; they had to go all or nothing! In for a penny, in for a pound! Once they decided on this soft/half reboot nothing made sense. they have taken 60 years or complex /evolved stories and characters and put them all in a pot, shaken them up and hope that the results can be great! How could they be. What they actually have here is George&#8217;s Marvellous Medicine! Crazy results where some characters grow huge and others shrink into &#8216;Atom&#8217; size. For the reader though the results are just bewildering What happened ? Whatd did&#8217;nt? The tragedy is, who cares?</p>
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		<title>By: Mavrik</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756424</link>
		<dc:creator>Mavrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you like it, keep reading.  If you don&#039;t like it, stop reading.  The numbers will tell in due time.  What I will say, and I&#039;m sure MOST of you will agree, is that a good story is a good story.  Sure, I agree, my line of thinking is Lois &amp; Clark belong together, but at the same time - I&#039;m excited to NOT know what is coming next.  Bring it on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like it, keep reading.  If you don&#8217;t like it, stop reading.  The numbers will tell in due time.  What I will say, and I&#8217;m sure MOST of you will agree, is that a good story is a good story.  Sure, I agree, my line of thinking is Lois &amp; Clark belong together, but at the same time &#8211; I&#8217;m excited to NOT know what is coming next.  Bring it on!</p>
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		<title>By: Xenos</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756423</link>
		<dc:creator>Xenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I see what Greg is arguing. I even agree in a way, that a DC reboot is a good idea in theory. Though I think there&#039;s a flaw in this logic of new DC is embracing. The trouble is..  DC&#039;s power isn&#039;t in the New. It&#039;s in the old.. the nostalgic.. the traditional.  If comic readers want new, that&#039;s the territory of Image or Dark Horse or Oni or any other publisher.  Even Marvel is more about new than DC.. even if only about a thirty year head start on nostalgia.

These are not brand names. They&#039;re characters. With power that comes from a rich history of stories.  To totally toss that aside for some quick newness? I think you&#039;re giving away your power base for a quick hit of juice.  And, yeah, how long will that newness last anyway?

And I also question if things are actually new enough even for that.  It&#039;s not a total reboot. It&#039;s a soft reboot. We still have Damien Wayne as part of four Robins from before running around.  (None of the other Batgirls funny enough. No girls allowed in the cave.)  Green Lantern was advertized as not being rebooted.  And that&#039;s rather a problem. It&#039;s not really a new administration overseeing it all. It&#039;s still the same old crew as when Greg and others were trying to make decent Wonder Woman or Batwoman books in spite of stupid stupid decisions from editorial. This is still the same company that gave us crap like Amazons Attack while kicking aside a New York Times bestselling author like Jodi Piccolt and all the readers she could bring just to maintain their good old boys club of silly crossover events with all the intellect of a ten year old boys smashing action figures together and thinking girls will give them cooties.  

And I think this is in the reboot too. It&#039;s not really new. It reeks of bad 90s comics and gimmicks.  Not to be confused with the good comics and DC Comics of the 90s. Wasn&#039;t DC&#039;s Kingdom Come in the 90s a critique of the flashy Image books and their use of the dark anti hero and how that shouldn&#039;t be applied to heroes like DC has? Isn&#039;t that exactly what&#039;s going on? And speaking of Kingdom Come, Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple? Is that really all that new of a concept?  I like the comment critics have that Alan Moore wrote it off ages ago in For the Man Who Has Everything,  &quot;Too predicable.&quot;  

So.. is this DC reboot -really- new? Or more of the same garbage that has been holding DC Comics back for the past decade?  Just in a shiny superficial coat of paint. The appearance of new. It&#039;s the same old bad repackaging of the old as pseudo-new.  Now with mere brand names and none of the actual characters people loved, the very thing people kept going back to DC Comics for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I see what Greg is arguing. I even agree in a way, that a DC reboot is a good idea in theory. Though I think there&#8217;s a flaw in this logic of new DC is embracing. The trouble is..  DC&#8217;s power isn&#8217;t in the New. It&#8217;s in the old.. the nostalgic.. the traditional.  If comic readers want new, that&#8217;s the territory of Image or Dark Horse or Oni or any other publisher.  Even Marvel is more about new than DC.. even if only about a thirty year head start on nostalgia.</p>
<p>These are not brand names. They&#8217;re characters. With power that comes from a rich history of stories.  To totally toss that aside for some quick newness? I think you&#8217;re giving away your power base for a quick hit of juice.  And, yeah, how long will that newness last anyway?</p>
<p>And I also question if things are actually new enough even for that.  It&#8217;s not a total reboot. It&#8217;s a soft reboot. We still have Damien Wayne as part of four Robins from before running around.  (None of the other Batgirls funny enough. No girls allowed in the cave.)  Green Lantern was advertized as not being rebooted.  And that&#8217;s rather a problem. It&#8217;s not really a new administration overseeing it all. It&#8217;s still the same old crew as when Greg and others were trying to make decent Wonder Woman or Batwoman books in spite of stupid stupid decisions from editorial. This is still the same company that gave us crap like Amazons Attack while kicking aside a New York Times bestselling author like Jodi Piccolt and all the readers she could bring just to maintain their good old boys club of silly crossover events with all the intellect of a ten year old boys smashing action figures together and thinking girls will give them cooties.  </p>
<p>And I think this is in the reboot too. It&#8217;s not really new. It reeks of bad 90s comics and gimmicks.  Not to be confused with the good comics and DC Comics of the 90s. Wasn&#8217;t DC&#8217;s Kingdom Come in the 90s a critique of the flashy Image books and their use of the dark anti hero and how that shouldn&#8217;t be applied to heroes like DC has? Isn&#8217;t that exactly what&#8217;s going on? And speaking of Kingdom Come, Superman and Wonder Woman as a couple? Is that really all that new of a concept?  I like the comment critics have that Alan Moore wrote it off ages ago in For the Man Who Has Everything,  &#8220;Too predicable.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So.. is this DC reboot -really- new? Or more of the same garbage that has been holding DC Comics back for the past decade?  Just in a shiny superficial coat of paint. The appearance of new. It&#8217;s the same old bad repackaging of the old as pseudo-new.  Now with mere brand names and none of the actual characters people loved, the very thing people kept going back to DC Comics for.</p>
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		<title>By: smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756411</link>
		<dc:creator>smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s comics. Not religion. Enough with the preaching already. Superman fans can be divided into three. One wants lois in every Superman story no matter what , even when she should be dead...the other just wants good stories and have no problem with him with Wonder Woman or Lana etc....and some fall in between. Greg Rucka needs to be careful who he is indulging as well. These type of fans, if they are carrying on like this, are the type who would turn on him when he wants to do something different. His Wonder Woman run was full of controversy too. Creators need to stand up for the rights of other creators right not to be contained. He&#039;s doing that,..good for him. But too much trying to soothe sulking fans is pointless.Why don&#039;t we have articles of fans who are enjoying stuff than fans bitching because clearly there more of them are judging by how well the comic market is at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s comics. Not religion. Enough with the preaching already. Superman fans can be divided into three. One wants lois in every Superman story no matter what , even when she should be dead&#8230;the other just wants good stories and have no problem with him with Wonder Woman or Lana etc&#8230;.and some fall in between. Greg Rucka needs to be careful who he is indulging as well. These type of fans, if they are carrying on like this, are the type who would turn on him when he wants to do something different. His Wonder Woman run was full of controversy too. Creators need to stand up for the rights of other creators right not to be contained. He&#8217;s doing that,..good for him. But too much trying to soothe sulking fans is pointless.Why don&#8217;t we have articles of fans who are enjoying stuff than fans bitching because clearly there more of them are judging by how well the comic market is at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756407</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem with the New 52 isn&#039;t that it never felt new. It was so many key franchises that were genuinely awful before Flashpoint seemed to get worse with the reboot, while dragging down popular characters like Wally West, Spoiler and now Tim Drake, whose own history is being RE-rebooted a year after being rebooted the first time. 

No one can truly claim that Justice League, Superman, Teen Titans or Green Arrow  -- four of the biggest franchises at DC, all of which have TV or movies out or coming soon (Young Justice is a defacto Titans &amp; JLA show)-- have been improved by the reboot. Four truly awful titles pre-Flashpoint have gotten worse, and now they don&#039;t even have an sense of history or a base point upon which the characters themselves might be returned to.

Instead we are being given reboots by the very writers and the editor in chief who were behind the bankruptcy of 90s Marvel Comics. Writers called upon back then because Marvel had chased away much of it&#039;s house writing talent to appease the likes of Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld, only to see those artists all leave and form Image. (Books not exactly ever known for stellar writing talents back then.)

The New 52 has had it&#039;s share of successes. Mostly the 90s pre-Vertigo books in the DC Dark line and Wonder Woman. (Which probably SHOULD be part of DC Dark.) Those could have happened without destroying their history of their biggest franchises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem with the New 52 isn&#8217;t that it never felt new. It was so many key franchises that were genuinely awful before Flashpoint seemed to get worse with the reboot, while dragging down popular characters like Wally West, Spoiler and now Tim Drake, whose own history is being RE-rebooted a year after being rebooted the first time. </p>
<p>No one can truly claim that Justice League, Superman, Teen Titans or Green Arrow  &#8212; four of the biggest franchises at DC, all of which have TV or movies out or coming soon (Young Justice is a defacto Titans &amp; JLA show)&#8211; have been improved by the reboot. Four truly awful titles pre-Flashpoint have gotten worse, and now they don&#8217;t even have an sense of history or a base point upon which the characters themselves might be returned to.</p>
<p>Instead we are being given reboots by the very writers and the editor in chief who were behind the bankruptcy of 90s Marvel Comics. Writers called upon back then because Marvel had chased away much of it&#8217;s house writing talent to appease the likes of Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld, only to see those artists all leave and form Image. (Books not exactly ever known for stellar writing talents back then.)</p>
<p>The New 52 has had it&#8217;s share of successes. Mostly the 90s pre-Vertigo books in the DC Dark line and Wonder Woman. (Which probably SHOULD be part of DC Dark.) Those could have happened without destroying their history of their biggest franchises.</p>
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		<title>By: Js</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756400</link>
		<dc:creator>Js</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Comic sold out. That is what speaks. Not sour fans who go around blogs trolling Jim, Geoff and Dan Didio.Really , get a grip folks. And if you had to be told not to buy the books they more stupid than I thought they were. It is common sense. many of these fans don&#039;t buy comics though. If they had we might not have had a reboot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Comic sold out. That is what speaks. Not sour fans who go around blogs trolling Jim, Geoff and Dan Didio.Really , get a grip folks. And if you had to be told not to buy the books they more stupid than I thought they were. It is common sense. many of these fans don&#8217;t buy comics though. If they had we might not have had a reboot.</p>
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		<title>By: braun</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756399</link>
		<dc:creator>braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sueven I agree, that&#039;s why DC just puts Action Comics in the corner and ignores it</description>
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		<title>By: sueven</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756396</link>
		<dc:creator>sueven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dc used to be cosmic and full of fantasy as comics should be, now marvel is the go to company and dc the realistic crap, the realistic aproachable has really destroyed a great character like superman!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dc used to be cosmic and full of fantasy as comics should be, now marvel is the go to company and dc the realistic crap, the realistic aproachable has really destroyed a great character like superman!</p>
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		<title>By: braun</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756395</link>
		<dc:creator>braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PUT MORRISON AND RUCKA ON EVERY DC BOOK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PUT MORRISON AND RUCKA ON EVERY DC BOOK</p>
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		<title>By: sueven</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756394</link>
		<dc:creator>sueven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i love that wonder woman and superman are together, the lois lane thing was boring and did not open opportunites to push superman forward, it would have worked if dc followed grant moriison&#039;s dc 1 million future but they dumped that! But as awhole the new 52 is crap especially superman, an invulnerable being wearing armour and with no history or respect in the dc universe, get beaten up every issue and for good measure we will show blood flyng from superman! I mean tell me any great defining moments for superman, supergirl is more powerful and has more powers, was someone that darkseid feared to a bum boy, beaten by hellspont and being refered to the most being on earth when he used to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe! He is going to get spanked soon by shazam, seems he gets knocked out alot. Superman used to be the go to guy when all was lost like doomsday, not whining that helspont is so much more powerful than him and he does not know what to do! This whole revamp was because dc is losing the rights to superman and they want to push other charcters to the front and destroy superman! this scott lobdell with his annual just lost me, was absolute crap!. i might read jl just to see superman and the wonder women relationship and i hope it lasts but dc wil revert soon to stupid lois lane! I am also tired of them publishing stupid smallville even after the tv show ended, so other than the wonder woman superman relationship i am almost out, it seems marvel has gone more cosmic and interesting while dc has started to limit certain characters like superman and destroying the character! i blame geoff johns and dan didio, they should have never allowed then to take charge! Dreading seeing captain marvel beat up new 52 superman so that another charcter can be pushed forward!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i love that wonder woman and superman are together, the lois lane thing was boring and did not open opportunites to push superman forward, it would have worked if dc followed grant moriison&#8217;s dc 1 million future but they dumped that! But as awhole the new 52 is crap especially superman, an invulnerable being wearing armour and with no history or respect in the dc universe, get beaten up every issue and for good measure we will show blood flyng from superman! I mean tell me any great defining moments for superman, supergirl is more powerful and has more powers, was someone that darkseid feared to a bum boy, beaten by hellspont and being refered to the most being on earth when he used to be one of the most powerful beings in the universe! He is going to get spanked soon by shazam, seems he gets knocked out alot. Superman used to be the go to guy when all was lost like doomsday, not whining that helspont is so much more powerful than him and he does not know what to do! This whole revamp was because dc is losing the rights to superman and they want to push other charcters to the front and destroy superman! this scott lobdell with his annual just lost me, was absolute crap!. i might read jl just to see superman and the wonder women relationship and i hope it lasts but dc wil revert soon to stupid lois lane! I am also tired of them publishing stupid smallville even after the tv show ended, so other than the wonder woman superman relationship i am almost out, it seems marvel has gone more cosmic and interesting while dc has started to limit certain characters like superman and destroying the character! i blame geoff johns and dan didio, they should have never allowed then to take charge! Dreading seeing captain marvel beat up new 52 superman so that another charcter can be pushed forward!</p>
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		<title>By: HellBlazerRaiser</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/08/30/its-not-called-the-old-52-for-a-reason/comment-page-1/#comment-756392</link>
		<dc:creator>HellBlazerRaiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm…. Maybe Mr. Rucka is looking to get back on some DC properties….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm…. Maybe Mr. Rucka is looking to get back on some DC properties….</p>
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