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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;When Did You Get To The Point Where You Need This Much Hand-Holding To Enjoy Your Comics?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Elvera</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-747172</link>
		<dc:creator>Elvera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is part of the enjoyment for some of you folks complaining about this stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is part of the enjoyment for some of you folks complaining about this stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: 網頁設計</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746347</link>
		<dc:creator>網頁設計</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s cool.
I like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s cool.<br />
I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: 撿骨</title>
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		<dc:creator>撿骨</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for your sharing.
I really like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your sharing.<br />
I really like it.</p>
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		<title>By: K-Box in the Box</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746321</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Box in the Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... Okay, Dan Coyle wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; Okay, Dan Coyle wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746319</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s a newpaper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s a newpaper?</p>
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		<title>By: K-Box in the Box</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746312</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Box in the Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I know newspaper sales are in the toilet, but you can’t expect me to believe that an actual newspaper is being outsold by four dollar collector magazines sold at specialty shops.&quot;

Since you are apparently WILLFULLY illiterate, let me repeat:  My newspaper is extremely hyper-local.  It only covers TWO small towns in our area.  And its per-issue sales are STILL competitive with comics that are sold NATIONWIDE.

Prior to &quot;Ends of the Earth,&quot; almost as many people in ONLY THOSE TWO TOWNS were buying as many copies of my newspaper as were buying copies of Dan Slott&#039;s Amazing Spider-Man THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.

Hopefully, your math skills are slightly better than your totally nonexistent reading ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I know newspaper sales are in the toilet, but you can’t expect me to believe that an actual newspaper is being outsold by four dollar collector magazines sold at specialty shops.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since you are apparently WILLFULLY illiterate, let me repeat:  My newspaper is extremely hyper-local.  It only covers TWO small towns in our area.  And its per-issue sales are STILL competitive with comics that are sold NATIONWIDE.</p>
<p>Prior to &#8220;Ends of the Earth,&#8221; almost as many people in ONLY THOSE TWO TOWNS were buying as many copies of my newspaper as were buying copies of Dan Slott&#8217;s Amazing Spider-Man THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.</p>
<p>Hopefully, your math skills are slightly better than your totally nonexistent reading ability.</p>
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		<title>By: LolWhat?</title>
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		<dc:creator>LolWhat?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 23:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re putting me on. I know newspaper sales are in the toilet, but you can&#039;t expect me to believe that an actual newspaper is being outsold by four dollar collector magazines sold at specialty shops.


Look on the bright side: When your paper tanks in a couple of years and you&#039;re out of a job you&#039;ll have plenty of time to sit at home making graphs about how poorly all the comic books you pirate are selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re putting me on. I know newspaper sales are in the toilet, but you can&#8217;t expect me to believe that an actual newspaper is being outsold by four dollar collector magazines sold at specialty shops.</p>
<p>Look on the bright side: When your paper tanks in a couple of years and you&#8217;re out of a job you&#8217;ll have plenty of time to sit at home making graphs about how poorly all the comic books you pirate are selling.</p>
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		<title>By: K-Box in the Box</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746297</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Box in the Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 21:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How’re those newspaper sales doin’ buddy?&quot;

Actually, my local small-town weekly newspaper is selling about as many copies per issue as the bottom half of Marvel&#039;s sales list.  Thanks for asking, though. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How’re those newspaper sales doin’ buddy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, my local small-town weekly newspaper is selling about as many copies per issue as the bottom half of Marvel&#8217;s sales list.  Thanks for asking, though. <img src='http://blog.newsarama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LolWhat?</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746291</link>
		<dc:creator>LolWhat?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Given that modern Marvel is selling in numbers that got Bob Harras fired as EiC a decade ago...&quot;

LOL! Wanna hear something funny? Gues what K-Box does for a living? He writes for a newpaper! HAHAHAHAHA! How&#039;re those newspaper sales doin&#039; buddy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given that modern Marvel is selling in numbers that got Bob Harras fired as EiC a decade ago&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL! Wanna hear something funny? Gues what K-Box does for a living? He writes for a newpaper! HAHAHAHAHA! How&#8217;re those newspaper sales doin&#8217; buddy?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746255</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand the &quot;don&#039;t judge by the preview&quot; statement to be honest.

Surely a preview is put out there to give people a taster of the whole. So if they aren&#039;t finding the taster exciting or interesting then are they really going to enjoy the full issue?

Would they be complaining about judging on the preview if all the comments were positive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand the &#8220;don&#8217;t judge by the preview&#8221; statement to be honest.</p>
<p>Surely a preview is put out there to give people a taster of the whole. So if they aren&#8217;t finding the taster exciting or interesting then are they really going to enjoy the full issue?</p>
<p>Would they be complaining about judging on the preview if all the comments were positive?</p>
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		<title>By: 6p3tch</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746249</link>
		<dc:creator>6p3tch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 10:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>支持你，博主！</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>支持你，博主！</p>
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		<title>By: K-Box in the Box</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746228</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Box in the Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 07:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don’t like it, you don’t have to buy it.&quot;

Given that modern Marvel is selling in numbers that got Bob Harras fired as EiC a decade ago, I&#039;d say a lot of people have already taken this advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You don’t like it, you don’t have to buy it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given that modern Marvel is selling in numbers that got Bob Harras fired as EiC a decade ago, I&#8217;d say a lot of people have already taken this advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Customer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746156</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Customer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last few times we got fries, they were undercooked and tasted wrong. Of course we&#039;re not gonna buy any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last few times we got fries, they were undercooked and tasted wrong. Of course we&#8217;re not gonna buy any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746145</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 22:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoiled brats living in the age of instant gratification. It must kill half these guys to wait a whole month only to be &quot;disappointed&quot; time and time again. You have the power to control this people. You don&#039;t like it, you don&#039;t have to buy it. Unless Marvel, DC or the &quot;indies&quot; figure out how to make a tax out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoiled brats living in the age of instant gratification. It must kill half these guys to wait a whole month only to be &#8220;disappointed&#8221; time and time again. You have the power to control this people. You don&#8217;t like it, you don&#8217;t have to buy it. Unless Marvel, DC or the &#8220;indies&#8221; figure out how to make a tax out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746144</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do not trust the writers anymore. We have seen a hundred creative teams last for 6 issues each and everyone doing their own thing. Continuity hardly exists anymore and we just don&#039;t trust the people handling the comics anymore to understand who the characters are based on the character&#039;s history. Lack of editorial control maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do not trust the writers anymore. We have seen a hundred creative teams last for 6 issues each and everyone doing their own thing. Continuity hardly exists anymore and we just don&#8217;t trust the people handling the comics anymore to understand who the characters are based on the character&#8217;s history. Lack of editorial control maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Gokitalo</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746143</link>
		<dc:creator>Gokitalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just like Brevoort said*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just like Brevoort said*</p>
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		<title>By: Gokitalo</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746142</link>
		<dc:creator>Gokitalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@graeme: Brevoort&#039;s not complaining about gaps in the storytelling, though. His complaint is about how certain readers nowadays are ready to complain about something that hasn&#039;t been IMMEDIATELY addressed. He&#039;s saying that rather than waiting for the answers to come as a story continues to unfold, some fans-- especially online, perhaps-- are more than willing to call virtually any new, unexplained element a &quot;plot hole.&quot;

It&#039;s funny, because the example Brevoort&#039;s pointing out is (a)pretty egregious and (b)easy to explain away. The reason other comics haven&#039;t shown the X-Men and the Phoenix Five hunting down the Avengers is because they take place BEFORE the final scene in AvX #6, just like Brevoort. Pretty simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@graeme: Brevoort&#8217;s not complaining about gaps in the storytelling, though. His complaint is about how certain readers nowadays are ready to complain about something that hasn&#8217;t been IMMEDIATELY addressed. He&#8217;s saying that rather than waiting for the answers to come as a story continues to unfold, some fans&#8211; especially online, perhaps&#8211; are more than willing to call virtually any new, unexplained element a &#8220;plot hole.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, because the example Brevoort&#8217;s pointing out is (a)pretty egregious and (b)easy to explain away. The reason other comics haven&#8217;t shown the X-Men and the Phoenix Five hunting down the Avengers is because they take place BEFORE the final scene in AvX #6, just like Brevoort. Pretty simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746141</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Also, back in my early days of reading comics, I didn&#039;t need hand holding like restarting comics at issue 1 over and over again or changing costumes to match movies.  I would pick up a good book, regarding of the issue number and &quot;figure it out for myself.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Also, back in my early days of reading comics, I didn&#8217;t need hand holding like restarting comics at issue 1 over and over again or changing costumes to match movies.  I would pick up a good book, regarding of the issue number and &#8220;figure it out for myself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: K-Box in the Box</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746137</link>
		<dc:creator>K-Box in the Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How dare you judge Marvel&#039;s upcoming comics according to the promotional images that Marvel itself released for no other reason than to persuade you to judge its upcoming comics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How dare you judge Marvel&#8217;s upcoming comics according to the promotional images that Marvel itself released for no other reason than to persuade you to judge its upcoming comics!</p>
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		<title>By: Customer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/06/29/when-did-you-get-to-the-point-where-you-need-this-much-hand-holding-to-enjoy-your-comics/comment-page-1/#comment-746109</link>
		<dc:creator>Customer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 16:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These fries taste like SH**! Of course, I haven&#039;t tasted them yet; but based on these four pictures I saw online these fries are TERRRIBLE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These fries taste like SH**! Of course, I haven&#8217;t tasted them yet; but based on these four pictures I saw online these fries are TERRRIBLE!</p>
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		<title>By: vutbce</title>
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		<dc:creator>vutbce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 04:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>支持你，博主！</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>支持你，博主！</p>
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		<title>By: McDonald's</title>
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		<dc:creator>McDonald's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You m*****f***ers really NEED ketchup to enjoy your fries? Sometimes I forget to put it in the bag. Just stop bugging me and do without. I&#039;m working really hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You m*****f***ers really NEED ketchup to enjoy your fries? Sometimes I forget to put it in the bag. Just stop bugging me and do without. I&#8217;m working really hard.</p>
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		<title>By: rl3klz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rl3klz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you people keep listening to this guy?

The blind leading the blind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you people keep listening to this guy?</p>
<p>The blind leading the blind</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of why comic readers want a answer right away and don&#039;t want to wait until next issue is because they don&#039;t feel like they got enough bang for their bucks.  When every month you have questions about this months issue and the answer is always buy the next issue there comes a point where some people will become dissatisfied with that answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of why comic readers want a answer right away and don&#8217;t want to wait until next issue is because they don&#8217;t feel like they got enough bang for their bucks.  When every month you have questions about this months issue and the answer is always buy the next issue there comes a point where some people will become dissatisfied with that answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Moore Odell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole Moore Odell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The increasingly bitter antagonism between Marvel&#039;s representatives and its own readers seems to be headed toward a point where the purchase of a new issue of a Marvel comic comes with Tom Breevort himself there to punch you in the groin, while you also get a free shot at him. Frankly, I can&#039;t wait for that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The increasingly bitter antagonism between Marvel&#8217;s representatives and its own readers seems to be headed toward a point where the purchase of a new issue of a Marvel comic comes with Tom Breevort himself there to punch you in the groin, while you also get a free shot at him. Frankly, I can&#8217;t wait for that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s an interesting discussion in there somewhere about how Marvel and DC readers no longer trust those creators enough to figure that questions in the story are raised consciously, rather than the result of negligent storytelling.&quot;

Nail on the head, Marc-Oliver Frisch.  Nail on the head.

I think it&#039;s a matter of readers having been burned too many times.

This was less of a problem when I started reading comics mostly because I started reading Marvel Comics under Jim Shooter, who was pretty rigid in what he required from the stories.

And as much as the internet might hurt the general reputation of fans, the same can be said of editors.  Fair or not, the level of trust that used to be there just isn&#039;t anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s an interesting discussion in there somewhere about how Marvel and DC readers no longer trust those creators enough to figure that questions in the story are raised consciously, rather than the result of negligent storytelling.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nail on the head, Marc-Oliver Frisch.  Nail on the head.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a matter of readers having been burned too many times.</p>
<p>This was less of a problem when I started reading comics mostly because I started reading Marvel Comics under Jim Shooter, who was pretty rigid in what he required from the stories.</p>
<p>And as much as the internet might hurt the general reputation of fans, the same can be said of editors.  Fair or not, the level of trust that used to be there just isn&#8217;t anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Kach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is part of the enjoyment for some of you folks complaining about this stuff?&quot;

Y-E-S.

--J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is part of the enjoyment for some of you folks complaining about this stuff?&#8221;</p>
<p>Y-E-S.</p>
<p>&#8211;J.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m torn.  On the one hand, I agree with what Brevoort says in principle.  On the other hand, there have been times when &quot;character is acting weird&quot; wasn&#039;t a story point but just an example having a poor handle on the character.  Plus as heavy handed as exposition could be, there&#039;s something to be sad for its use in getting new readers up to speed or even reminding current ones what&#039;s up since presumably folks aren&#039;t memorizing everything they read.  I miss editorial notes, too, for that matter.  I don&#039;t need the &quot;last ish&quot; ones, but when they&#039;re referencing stories I know nothing about, I&#039;d appreciate the pointer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m torn.  On the one hand, I agree with what Brevoort says in principle.  On the other hand, there have been times when &#8220;character is acting weird&#8221; wasn&#8217;t a story point but just an example having a poor handle on the character.  Plus as heavy handed as exposition could be, there&#8217;s something to be sad for its use in getting new readers up to speed or even reminding current ones what&#8217;s up since presumably folks aren&#8217;t memorizing everything they read.  I miss editorial notes, too, for that matter.  I don&#8217;t need the &#8220;last ish&#8221; ones, but when they&#8217;re referencing stories I know nothing about, I&#8217;d appreciate the pointer.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc-Oliver Frisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc-Oliver Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;None of this is really that hard, at least from my point of view, and most often the answer comes down to “Wait for the next issue!” or “Don’t judge based on the four pages that are previewed on line, wait for the whole thing!”&quot;

There&#039;s an interesting discussion in there somewhere about how Marvel and DC readers no longer trust those creators enough to figure that questions in the story are raised consciously, rather than the result of negligent storytelling.

If the audience had the carefully cultivated confidence in these types of stories that everything, in the end, will make sense and come to a satisfying conclusion that rewards you for working your way past the uncertainties, I imagine fewer people would be complaining to Tom Brevoort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;None of this is really that hard, at least from my point of view, and most often the answer comes down to “Wait for the next issue!” or “Don’t judge based on the four pages that are previewed on line, wait for the whole thing!”&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting discussion in there somewhere about how Marvel and DC readers no longer trust those creators enough to figure that questions in the story are raised consciously, rather than the result of negligent storytelling.</p>
<p>If the audience had the carefully cultivated confidence in these types of stories that everything, in the end, will make sense and come to a satisfying conclusion that rewards you for working your way past the uncertainties, I imagine fewer people would be complaining to Tom Brevoort.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed this trend myself.  It used to be, an apparent plot hole was cause for speculation and maybe an explanation that would get you a No-Prize...now, people just complain that the writers and editors are idiots and berate them online.  I guess it&#039;s part of the trend where being a fan of something used to mean you enjoy it, and now it means you hate it, somehow.

I think part of it is due to storytelling changes as well -- in the days of ubiquitous editors&#039; notes and heavy exposition, some of this stuff really was more explicit (if hamfisted).  I recall an issue of Secret Wars where they had to stop and explain why Professor X had appeared on the planet in a wheelchair he no longer needed, and why Cyclops was back with the team again, etc.  

Personally, I&#039;m kind of glad when they don&#039;t take up story pages with that kind of bookkeeping.  But to be fair, they could have waited to release last week&#039;s Wolverine &amp; the X-Men issue until after AvX #7, if would make more sense that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed this trend myself.  It used to be, an apparent plot hole was cause for speculation and maybe an explanation that would get you a No-Prize&#8230;now, people just complain that the writers and editors are idiots and berate them online.  I guess it&#8217;s part of the trend where being a fan of something used to mean you enjoy it, and now it means you hate it, somehow.</p>
<p>I think part of it is due to storytelling changes as well &#8212; in the days of ubiquitous editors&#8217; notes and heavy exposition, some of this stuff really was more explicit (if hamfisted).  I recall an issue of Secret Wars where they had to stop and explain why Professor X had appeared on the planet in a wheelchair he no longer needed, and why Cyclops was back with the team again, etc.  </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m kind of glad when they don&#8217;t take up story pages with that kind of bookkeeping.  But to be fair, they could have waited to release last week&#8217;s Wolverine &amp; the X-Men issue until after AvX #7, if would make more sense that way.</p>
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