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		<title>By: Rae Ogrady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rae Ogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 07:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Howdy! Someone in my Facebook group shared this website with us so I came to look it over. I&#039;m definitely enjoying the information. I&#039;m book-marking and will be tweeting this to my followers! Great blog and excellent style and design.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Lipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Lipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - The two examples you cite of Moore using other people&#039;s characters are characters whose creators are dead and are in the public domain, meaning we all own them and can exploit them for profit - no need to tell the author he is signing a contract that will give him ownership of the characters, when he isn&#039;t, required!
It&#039;s also worth noting that Moore is using other people&#039;s creations to examine those creations and their affect on the literary world and on us. LoEG is specifically about ALL fictional characters existing in the one world - it&#039;s not pretending to be an extension of the creators original tales in the slightest.

Oh, and the Watchmen characters are completely original. It initially started with a different group of heroes - the Archie one&#039;s I believe - then it switched to Charltan characters, and then he decided to create his own. 
The similarities between Watchmen characters and Charltan characters are much fewer than the differences - I dare say we&#039;re it not for Rosarch embodying Ditko&#039;s personal philosophies, people wouldn&#039;t have picked it  without being told. 
Creating a knock-off character is an original character. Through-out the history of fiction this has held true, so it&#039;s a weird mark to hold against Moore. I would argue they aren&#039;t even really analogues -  Nothing in Watchmen relied on knowledge of the originals, nor did it reference them in anyway. It defined their physical look, and The Questions creators views made Rorsarch, but other than that?

And as for why Moore doesn&#039;t want DC to profit from Watchmen? The people he worked with at DC told him if he signed the contract he would own the characters, but that wasn&#039;t true. He feels betrayed by them, and doesn&#039;t like them.
How is that a hypocritical stance to take because he&#039;s used characters that are in the public domain?

Seriously Tom, go read a blog or two - people who are much better with words have covered how Moore isn&#039;t a hypocrite in the slightest. 
Go read an interview with Moore - he&#039;s explained it all from his POV, and how he&#039;d much rather never have to talk about it again.

@Tenenrous - Morrison was told by production designers that The Invisbles was on people&#039;s desks, and cited as a source of inspiration for them to draw on. Rant all you want about how shit he is, but that&#039;s what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8211; The two examples you cite of Moore using other people&#8217;s characters are characters whose creators are dead and are in the public domain, meaning we all own them and can exploit them for profit &#8211; no need to tell the author he is signing a contract that will give him ownership of the characters, when he isn&#8217;t, required!<br />
It&#8217;s also worth noting that Moore is using other people&#8217;s creations to examine those creations and their affect on the literary world and on us. LoEG is specifically about ALL fictional characters existing in the one world &#8211; it&#8217;s not pretending to be an extension of the creators original tales in the slightest.</p>
<p>Oh, and the Watchmen characters are completely original. It initially started with a different group of heroes &#8211; the Archie one&#8217;s I believe &#8211; then it switched to Charltan characters, and then he decided to create his own.<br />
The similarities between Watchmen characters and Charltan characters are much fewer than the differences &#8211; I dare say we&#8217;re it not for Rosarch embodying Ditko&#8217;s personal philosophies, people wouldn&#8217;t have picked it  without being told.<br />
Creating a knock-off character is an original character. Through-out the history of fiction this has held true, so it&#8217;s a weird mark to hold against Moore. I would argue they aren&#8217;t even really analogues &#8211;  Nothing in Watchmen relied on knowledge of the originals, nor did it reference them in anyway. It defined their physical look, and The Questions creators views made Rorsarch, but other than that?</p>
<p>And as for why Moore doesn&#8217;t want DC to profit from Watchmen? The people he worked with at DC told him if he signed the contract he would own the characters, but that wasn&#8217;t true. He feels betrayed by them, and doesn&#8217;t like them.<br />
How is that a hypocritical stance to take because he&#8217;s used characters that are in the public domain?</p>
<p>Seriously Tom, go read a blog or two &#8211; people who are much better with words have covered how Moore isn&#8217;t a hypocrite in the slightest.<br />
Go read an interview with Moore &#8211; he&#8217;s explained it all from his POV, and how he&#8217;d much rather never have to talk about it again.</p>
<p>@Tenenrous &#8211; Morrison was told by production designers that The Invisbles was on people&#8217;s desks, and cited as a source of inspiration for them to draw on. Rant all you want about how shit he is, but that&#8217;s what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 13:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you guys SURE that Superman is more popular than Jinx? Because I mean, I know Superman&#039;s pretty popular but is he like JINX POPULAR?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you guys SURE that Superman is more popular than Jinx? Because I mean, I know Superman&#8217;s pretty popular but is he like JINX POPULAR?</p>
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		<title>By: Coming Curse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coming Curse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@luclin999

More people have heard of Optimus Prime than Fyodor Karamazov. That doesn&#039;t mean that some guy working at Hasbro in the 80&#039;s is a better writer than Dostoyevsky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@luclin999</p>
<p>More people have heard of Optimus Prime than Fyodor Karamazov. That doesn&#8217;t mean that some guy working at Hasbro in the 80&#8242;s is a better writer than Dostoyevsky.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenebrous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenebrous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ned

&quot;shamelessly swiped by The Matrix folks&quot;

Uh... no. Morrison is a bitter hack who whines about people &quot;stealing his ideas&quot; because he doesn&#039;t have the talent to create anything as successful as &#039;The Matrix&#039;. He&#039;s frustrated that the Wachowskis were more successful in their first attempt than anything he&#039;s done in his decades-long career. &#039;The Invisibles&#039; wasn&#039;t that original in the first place. It was basically a competent pastiche of Michael Moorcock&#039;s Jerry Cornelius books. In fact, I think Morrison is even more hypocritical than Alan Moore in terms of whining about people using &quot;his&quot; ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ned</p>
<p>&#8220;shamelessly swiped by The Matrix folks&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh&#8230; no. Morrison is a bitter hack who whines about people &#8220;stealing his ideas&#8221; because he doesn&#8217;t have the talent to create anything as successful as &#8216;The Matrix&#8217;. He&#8217;s frustrated that the Wachowskis were more successful in their first attempt than anything he&#8217;s done in his decades-long career. &#8216;The Invisibles&#8217; wasn&#8217;t that original in the first place. It was basically a competent pastiche of Michael Moorcock&#8217;s Jerry Cornelius books. In fact, I think Morrison is even more hypocritical than Alan Moore in terms of whining about people using &#8220;his&#8221; ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: luclin999</title>
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		<dc:creator>luclin999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ned.

Actually it does.

B-list productions and publications such as those you listed are utterly trivial when compared to the truly iconic creations such as Superman, Batman, Spider-man, etc. 

Show a person anywhere in the western world a picture of Jinx (hell, a full book of pictures from it and Goldfish) and he&#039;ll look at you and shrug. Show them a picture of the Superman, Batman, Spider-man emblems (just the emblems mind you) and almost every single one will know who the character it represents is.

Those are icons, Jinx is a sad footnote overshadowed by Apache Chief from the Super Friends.

The people currently in charge of the characters in question have NEVER created a single piece of work which can even remotely compare to the world-wide appeal of the creations of Kirby, Lee, Kane, Siegel and Shuster et al. and for second stringers like these people to think that their wildly divergent, &quot;re-envisioned&quot; versions of such characters are somehow &quot;improvements&quot; of the base structures of the characters which made them legendary to begin with is simply narcissistic hubris upon their parts and nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ned.</p>
<p>Actually it does.</p>
<p>B-list productions and publications such as those you listed are utterly trivial when compared to the truly iconic creations such as Superman, Batman, Spider-man, etc. </p>
<p>Show a person anywhere in the western world a picture of Jinx (hell, a full book of pictures from it and Goldfish) and he&#8217;ll look at you and shrug. Show them a picture of the Superman, Batman, Spider-man emblems (just the emblems mind you) and almost every single one will know who the character it represents is.</p>
<p>Those are icons, Jinx is a sad footnote overshadowed by Apache Chief from the Super Friends.</p>
<p>The people currently in charge of the characters in question have NEVER created a single piece of work which can even remotely compare to the world-wide appeal of the creations of Kirby, Lee, Kane, Siegel and Shuster et al. and for second stringers like these people to think that their wildly divergent, &#8220;re-envisioned&#8221; versions of such characters are somehow &#8220;improvements&#8221; of the base structures of the characters which made them legendary to begin with is simply narcissistic hubris upon their parts and nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve
Seems you agree with Ben... to a point...

&quot;I hate to say it, but the rest of the world doesn’t give a shit. Otherwise, things would be a lot better.&quot;

Seriously, how would the word be &quot;better&quot; if they cared more about big bad DC using prperties they own to make money.

1.) Alan Moore signed a contract.  Fair or not, he signed a contract.  From all accounts, DC has more than honored the contract.

2.) While the story is genius... and I love it... the characters aren&#039;t even wholly original.  They are analogues to the Charlton heroes.  

I&#039;m all for creator&#039;s rights.  

I just don&#039;t understand the sympathy in this scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve<br />
Seems you agree with Ben&#8230; to a point&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I hate to say it, but the rest of the world doesn’t give a shit. Otherwise, things would be a lot better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, how would the word be &#8220;better&#8221; if they cared more about big bad DC using prperties they own to make money.</p>
<p>1.) Alan Moore signed a contract.  Fair or not, he signed a contract.  From all accounts, DC has more than honored the contract.</p>
<p>2.) While the story is genius&#8230; and I love it&#8230; the characters aren&#8217;t even wholly original.  They are analogues to the Charlton heroes.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for creator&#8217;s rights.  </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t understand the sympathy in this scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@luclin999

I think that Morrison has done a number of worthwhile things outside of his super-hero work.  Consider &quot;We3&quot; or &quot;The Invisibles&quot; (shamelessly swiped by The Matrix folks) or &quot;The Filth&quot; or &quot;18 Days&quot;.  

Likewise, Bendis did &quot;Jinx&quot;, &quot;aka Goldfish&quot;, &quot;Torso&quot; and &quot;Fortune &amp; Glory&quot; even before &quot;Powers&quot;.

The argument that they don&#039;t do anything of their own doesn&#039;t hold up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@luclin999</p>
<p>I think that Morrison has done a number of worthwhile things outside of his super-hero work.  Consider &#8220;We3&#8243; or &#8220;The Invisibles&#8221; (shamelessly swiped by The Matrix folks) or &#8220;The Filth&#8221; or &#8220;18 Days&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Likewise, Bendis did &#8220;Jinx&#8221;, &#8220;aka Goldfish&#8221;, &#8220;Torso&#8221; and &#8220;Fortune &amp; Glory&#8221; even before &#8220;Powers&#8221;.</p>
<p>The argument that they don&#8217;t do anything of their own doesn&#8217;t hold up.</p>
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		<title>By: luclin999</title>
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		<dc:creator>luclin999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marchman hit the nail on the head.

If these &quot;superstars of the comics industry&quot; actually had any talent of their own then they would actually be ~creating~ memorable characters of their own rather than tearing down and &quot;re-inventing&quot; the iconic creations of the people who came before them.

It&#039;s the only way they&#039;ll be remembered because they certainly haven&#039;t done anything on their own to stand up to the legacies left them by the likes of Kirby, Lee, Kane, Siegel and Shuster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marchman hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>If these &#8220;superstars of the comics industry&#8221; actually had any talent of their own then they would actually be ~creating~ memorable characters of their own rather than tearing down and &#8220;re-inventing&#8221; the iconic creations of the people who came before them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the only way they&#8217;ll be remembered because they certainly haven&#8217;t done anything on their own to stand up to the legacies left them by the likes of Kirby, Lee, Kane, Siegel and Shuster.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 04:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And the rest of the world is sick of people who don’t understand, calling Moore a hypocrite.&quot;

I hate to say it, but the rest of the world doesn&#039;t give a shit.  Otherwise, things would be a lot better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And the rest of the world is sick of people who don’t understand, calling Moore a hypocrite.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hate to say it, but the rest of the world doesn&#8217;t give a shit.  Otherwise, things would be a lot better.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben Lipman
@Tom”So sick of Uncle Alan’s hypocrisy….”

&quot;And the rest of the world is sick of people who don’t understand, calling Moore a hypocrite.&quot;

Please explain to me what I don&#039;t understand?  I really do want to learn.

Alan Moore uses other people&#039;s characters (as I allude to in my above comment) like Captain Nemo, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Alice in Wonderland for HIS profit... but he doesn&#039;t want DC to use characters that ... hey... DC OWNS... for their own profit...

Seriously... how is that not hypocrisy?  Profiting off of someone else&#039;s characters and not wanting DC to use their own characters for profit...

Please educate me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben Lipman<br />
@Tom”So sick of Uncle Alan’s hypocrisy….”</p>
<p>&#8220;And the rest of the world is sick of people who don’t understand, calling Moore a hypocrite.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please explain to me what I don&#8217;t understand?  I really do want to learn.</p>
<p>Alan Moore uses other people&#8217;s characters (as I allude to in my above comment) like Captain Nemo, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Alice in Wonderland for HIS profit&#8230; but he doesn&#8217;t want DC to use characters that &#8230; hey&#8230; DC OWNS&#8230; for their own profit&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously&#8230; how is that not hypocrisy?  Profiting off of someone else&#8217;s characters and not wanting DC to use their own characters for profit&#8230;</p>
<p>Please educate me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 15:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to understand Alan Moore&#039;s point and STILL think that he&#039;s a hypocrite about a great many things.  I&#039;d still like to see ANY journalist from any site or outlet press him on why there must be so much rape in his work.  It&#039;s positively suffused with rape.  The attack in Watchmen had a point.  The Invisible Man raping Pollyana, and so on and so forth?  I&#039;d like to see him really explain that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to understand Alan Moore&#8217;s point and STILL think that he&#8217;s a hypocrite about a great many things.  I&#8217;d still like to see ANY journalist from any site or outlet press him on why there must be so much rape in his work.  It&#8217;s positively suffused with rape.  The attack in Watchmen had a point.  The Invisible Man raping Pollyana, and so on and so forth?  I&#8217;d like to see him really explain that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mechagamera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mechagamera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 14:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just remembered, Robert Kirkman wrote (pretty good) He-man comic books, so I guess we should refer to him as &quot;former He-Man writer Robert Kirkman&quot;, because obviously working on He-Man is more important than anything else any writer has ever done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just remembered, Robert Kirkman wrote (pretty good) He-man comic books, so I guess we should refer to him as &#8220;former He-Man writer Robert Kirkman&#8221;, because obviously working on He-Man is more important than anything else any writer has ever done.</p>
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		<title>By: Hutchimus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hutchimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 14:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;former He-Man scripter J. Michael Straczynski&quot;
...and BAFTA nominated screenwriter of the Clint Eastwod directed, Changling.

It&#039;s hard to ignore the obviously snobby creator specific slams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;former He-Man scripter J. Michael Straczynski&#8221;<br />
&#8230;and BAFTA nominated screenwriter of the Clint Eastwod directed, Changling.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to ignore the obviously snobby creator specific slams.</p>
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		<title>By: The AntiGraemitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The AntiGraemitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 04:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in reality none of those men have the power to completely suck all the life out of the comic book industry and  the fun that it has like a blog column from  Graeme Slacker</description>
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		<title>By: Joe S. Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe S. Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 01:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fortunate for Alan Moore&#039;s reputation that not many people remember the howling shit he used to write/draw under the name &quot;Curt Vile&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fortunate for Alan Moore&#8217;s reputation that not many people remember the howling shit he used to write/draw under the name &#8220;Curt Vile&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Lipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The general conclusions Tim Marchman reaches are generally correct, but he has a factual error in almost every paragraph, which really undercuts the whole thing.


@Tom&quot;So sick of Uncle Alan’s hypocrisy….&quot;

And the rest of the world is sick of people who don&#039;t understand, calling Moore a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The general conclusions Tim Marchman reaches are generally correct, but he has a factual error in almost every paragraph, which really undercuts the whole thing.</p>
<p>@Tom&#8221;So sick of Uncle Alan’s hypocrisy….&#8221;</p>
<p>And the rest of the world is sick of people who don&#8217;t understand, calling Moore a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 22:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bendis i can understand to some degree. He is after all the guy who took 5 issues to cover what ditko/lee did in one.  While he may not have originated it, he sure as hell popularized it. Decrompressed storytelling spread like a virus and is now the norm. Tell me comics aren&#039;t worse for this development. That alone would put him on my crap list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bendis i can understand to some degree. He is after all the guy who took 5 issues to cover what ditko/lee did in one.  While he may not have originated it, he sure as hell popularized it. Decrompressed storytelling spread like a virus and is now the norm. Tell me comics aren&#8217;t worse for this development. That alone would put him on my crap list.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t really argue against anything he said. 

As for JMS&#039;s Babylon 5. I love it, but let&#039;s face it, season one was dreadful. Season two was better. Only seasons three and four were good, but season five was worse that season one. Crusade and that Rangers movie from Syfy made even that look like Scorsese. He-man and captain Power is where JMS started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t really argue against anything he said. </p>
<p>As for JMS&#8217;s Babylon 5. I love it, but let&#8217;s face it, season one was dreadful. Season two was better. Only seasons three and four were good, but season five was worse that season one. Crusade and that Rangers movie from Syfy made even that look like Scorsese. He-man and captain Power is where JMS started.</p>
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		<title>By: davesnothereman</title>
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		<dc:creator>davesnothereman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 21:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what he might be getting at is that morrison and bendis, in their mainstream comics are pretty continuity heavy, delving in the distant past while building their own continuity that&#039;s also pretty impenetrable to most people.  plus, final crisis wasn&#039;t that long ago and was the big thing before the latest big thing and that was all him, and bendis guides the overall marvel u.  

finally, at least in the analogy alan moore is scorsese, and he must have gotten that right since no one&#039;s even mentioned it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what he might be getting at is that morrison and bendis, in their mainstream comics are pretty continuity heavy, delving in the distant past while building their own continuity that&#8217;s also pretty impenetrable to most people.  plus, final crisis wasn&#8217;t that long ago and was the big thing before the latest big thing and that was all him, and bendis guides the overall marvel u.  </p>
<p>finally, at least in the analogy alan moore is scorsese, and he must have gotten that right since no one&#8217;s even mentioned it.</p>
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		<title>By: Orange</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 19:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His facts are a little off.

He says, &quot;Take writer Robert Kirkman ... During a brief stint at Marvel—he now avoids the big houses—he rewrote old &quot;X-Men&quot; comics and zombified the Marvel heroes rather than doing something new. This made good sense: Why sign over the rights to original ideas when he could keep them for himself?&quot;

He forgets (or doesn&#039;t know) that Kirkman introduced original characters in both MARVEL TEAM-UP and ULTIMATE X-MEN, not to mention gave the Marvel Universe a brand-new Ant-man that&#039;s been featured as recently as three months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His facts are a little off.</p>
<p>He says, &#8220;Take writer Robert Kirkman &#8230; During a brief stint at Marvel—he now avoids the big houses—he rewrote old &#8220;X-Men&#8221; comics and zombified the Marvel heroes rather than doing something new. This made good sense: Why sign over the rights to original ideas when he could keep them for himself?&#8221;</p>
<p>He forgets (or doesn&#8217;t know) that Kirkman introduced original characters in both MARVEL TEAM-UP and ULTIMATE X-MEN, not to mention gave the Marvel Universe a brand-new Ant-man that&#8217;s been featured as recently as three months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 18:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is the rough equivalent of having Z-movie director Uwe Boll film a studio-funded prequel to Martin Scorsese’s “Taxi Driver.”&quot;

Or maybe it&#039;s much like some burnt out British comic book writer penning further adventures of characters created by literary greats like Robert Louis Stevenson, Jules Verne, Charles Lutwidge Dodgson...

So sick of Uncle Alan&#039;s hypocrisy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is the rough equivalent of having Z-movie director Uwe Boll film a studio-funded prequel to Martin Scorsese’s “Taxi Driver.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Or maybe it&#8217;s much like some burnt out British comic book writer penning further adventures of characters created by literary greats like Robert Louis Stevenson, Jules Verne, Charles Lutwidge Dodgson&#8230;</p>
<p>So sick of Uncle Alan&#8217;s hypocrisy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also worth noting that he doesn&#039;t talk much about the book he&#039;s reviewing.</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle Garret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Garret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard, but if you can distance yourself from the odd attacks on specific creators, the rest of the piece is dead on.

It&#039;s unfortunate, though, that he does make those comments about JMS, Bendis, Morrison, etc.  It really undermines his credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard, but if you can distance yourself from the odd attacks on specific creators, the rest of the piece is dead on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate, though, that he does make those comments about JMS, Bendis, Morrison, etc.  It really undermines his credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Mechagamera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mechagamera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He compares JMS to Uwe Boll for something that Joe Q. ghost wrote?  I guess He-man was more important than Babylon 5....Sniff, Sniff, I smell a troll on WSJ payroll.

That being said, the AvX covers taking up the whole page are pretty annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He compares JMS to Uwe Boll for something that Joe Q. ghost wrote?  I guess He-man was more important than Babylon 5&#8230;.Sniff, Sniff, I smell a troll on WSJ payroll.</p>
<p>That being said, the AvX covers taking up the whole page are pretty annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish he would tell us why those telling sections were so telling and what, exactly, they told. 

And I don&#039;t have any strong feelings about JMS one way or the other, but that Uwe Boll comparison is bonkers.

Finally: &quot;clumsily drawn?&quot; I wish he&#039;d given us some idea what book he means here. Walt Simonson? Romita Jr.?

I have a theory that this reviewer just got dumped by his girlfriend and his girlfriend was a superhero comic book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish he would tell us why those telling sections were so telling and what, exactly, they told. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t have any strong feelings about JMS one way or the other, but that Uwe Boll comparison is bonkers.</p>
<p>Finally: &#8220;clumsily drawn?&#8221; I wish he&#8217;d given us some idea what book he means here. Walt Simonson? Romita Jr.?</p>
<p>I have a theory that this reviewer just got dumped by his girlfriend and his girlfriend was a superhero comic book.</p>
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