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	<title>Comments on: Storytelling Vs. Commercial Art: Where Do Comics Fall On That Spectrum?</title>
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		<title>By: Don Winslow</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/12/21/storytelling-vs-commercial-art-where-do-comics-fall-on-that-spectrum/comment-page-1/#comment-705744</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Winslow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. <img src='http://blog.newsarama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: T.</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/12/21/storytelling-vs-commercial-art-where-do-comics-fall-on-that-spectrum/comment-page-1/#comment-705643</link>
		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 05:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not my fault you can&#039;t express your points or your sarcastic intent more clearly. Whatever point or joke you were trying to make is nowhere near as clear as you believe it was, hate to break it to you. Work on that in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not my fault you can&#8217;t express your points or your sarcastic intent more clearly. Whatever point or joke you were trying to make is nowhere near as clear as you believe it was, hate to break it to you. Work on that in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Winslow</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/12/21/storytelling-vs-commercial-art-where-do-comics-fall-on-that-spectrum/comment-page-1/#comment-705562</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Winslow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should really start using emoticons. It will avoid useless info I already know from Random Initials People.

sigh.

;) 8P ::)

Whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should really start using emoticons. It will avoid useless info I already know from Random Initials People.</p>
<p>sigh.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blog.newsarama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  8P ::)</p>
<p>Whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: T.</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/12/21/storytelling-vs-commercial-art-where-do-comics-fall-on-that-spectrum/comment-page-1/#comment-705520</link>
		<dc:creator>T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We’re living in an age that values timeliness over artistic integrity. I blame the internet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually the pre-Internet era valued timeliness over artistic integrity far more than today. That&#039;s why in the past we used to have the inventory fill-in issue, the issue that was kept in storage in case of the regular team missing its deadline. There also were lots of fill-in artists back in the day too. Long delays like we see with Kevin Smith&#039;s Daredevil and Black Cat books, Allan Heinberg&#039;s Wonder Woman and Millar and Hitch&#039;s Ultimates were rare to nonexistent. The idea that we care more about timeliness and the internet is to blame or that the past eras cared less about timeliness is ridiculous.

The main difference is that in the past artists were better at hitting deadlines. And if an artist couldn&#039;t hit monthly deadlines, like say Art Adams who is great but known to be slow, he would be kept as a cover artist or an artist used only on annuals and specials. Nowadays we have artists who are not only slow but keep getting hired to do monthly gigs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We’re living in an age that values timeliness over artistic integrity. I blame the internet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually the pre-Internet era valued timeliness over artistic integrity far more than today. That&#8217;s why in the past we used to have the inventory fill-in issue, the issue that was kept in storage in case of the regular team missing its deadline. There also were lots of fill-in artists back in the day too. Long delays like we see with Kevin Smith&#8217;s Daredevil and Black Cat books, Allan Heinberg&#8217;s Wonder Woman and Millar and Hitch&#8217;s Ultimates were rare to nonexistent. The idea that we care more about timeliness and the internet is to blame or that the past eras cared less about timeliness is ridiculous.</p>
<p>The main difference is that in the past artists were better at hitting deadlines. And if an artist couldn&#8217;t hit monthly deadlines, like say Art Adams who is great but known to be slow, he would be kept as a cover artist or an artist used only on annuals and specials. Nowadays we have artists who are not only slow but keep getting hired to do monthly gigs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hutchimus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hutchimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drawing comics is a J-O-B and if you can&#039;t hit your deadlines, the publishers, who have a financial interest in the comics going out, are going to replace you. Grant Morrison&#039;s run, as awesome as it was and it was awesome, had many, many delays. No company should be expected to sit back and wait as its employees blow their deadlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drawing comics is a J-O-B and if you can&#8217;t hit your deadlines, the publishers, who have a financial interest in the comics going out, are going to replace you. Grant Morrison&#8217;s run, as awesome as it was and it was awesome, had many, many delays. No company should be expected to sit back and wait as its employees blow their deadlines.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Winslow</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/12/21/storytelling-vs-commercial-art-where-do-comics-fall-on-that-spectrum/comment-page-1/#comment-705295</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Winslow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re living in an age that values timeliness over artistic integrity. I blame the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re living in an age that values timeliness over artistic integrity. I blame the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Arturo Ulises</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/12/21/storytelling-vs-commercial-art-where-do-comics-fall-on-that-spectrum/comment-page-1/#comment-705201</link>
		<dc:creator>Arturo Ulises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a false dichotomy. One can be a storyteller and a commercial artist. All artists working in mainstream comics are commercial artists. That doesn&#039;t mean that they&#039;re not storytellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a false dichotomy. One can be a storyteller and a commercial artist. All artists working in mainstream comics are commercial artists. That doesn&#8217;t mean that they&#8217;re not storytellers.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon DelMonte</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/12/21/storytelling-vs-commercial-art-where-do-comics-fall-on-that-spectrum/comment-page-1/#comment-705190</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon DelMonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 00:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he&#039;s being a bit dismissive of commercial art.  A lot of it can be really good.

Then again, it seems like he&#039;s making a career out of dismissing DC and Marvel of late, so why not dismiss others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he&#8217;s being a bit dismissive of commercial art.  A lot of it can be really good.</p>
<p>Then again, it seems like he&#8217;s making a career out of dismissing DC and Marvel of late, so why not dismiss others?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stephenson&#039;s comments on morrison&#039;s x-men is spot on: it was pretty much a mess art-wise after the first arc and that&#039;s why i have trouble loving it as much as other people. 

on the opposite end of the spectrum is robinson&#039;s starman run, which used fill-in artists in a wonderful way (and often had fantastic artists doing the work).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stephenson&#8217;s comments on morrison&#8217;s x-men is spot on: it was pretty much a mess art-wise after the first arc and that&#8217;s why i have trouble loving it as much as other people. </p>
<p>on the opposite end of the spectrum is robinson&#8217;s starman run, which used fill-in artists in a wonderful way (and often had fantastic artists doing the work).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the interview, and that bit caught me too.

For the most part, I agree with him. I&#039;d rather wait for a great, cohesive final product than have a compromised one on time. Can you imagine if they&#039;d subbed in a different artist for, say, Watchmen #8, because Gibbons fell behind. It would have diminished the whole thing. 

But if the comics industry is set on producing on-time monthly comics come hell or high water, then subbing out artists is what they have to do. It&#039;s product first, art second.

The middle ground is to have rotating artists, so each story arc is at least consistent. Or to have the non-regular artist handling a very specific part of a story (a flashback, for instance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the interview, and that bit caught me too.</p>
<p>For the most part, I agree with him. I&#8217;d rather wait for a great, cohesive final product than have a compromised one on time. Can you imagine if they&#8217;d subbed in a different artist for, say, Watchmen #8, because Gibbons fell behind. It would have diminished the whole thing. </p>
<p>But if the comics industry is set on producing on-time monthly comics come hell or high water, then subbing out artists is what they have to do. It&#8217;s product first, art second.</p>
<p>The middle ground is to have rotating artists, so each story arc is at least consistent. Or to have the non-regular artist handling a very specific part of a story (a flashback, for instance).</p>
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