Which WOULD open up a whole bunch of new and exciting possibilities, except that what they’re actually GOING to do is give us endless rehashes of past stories, which is why Superman’s been taken back to his Golden Age roots, Lois Lane doesn’t know his secret identity anymore, Barry Allen is the Flash again and always has been, and the JSA are back on Earth-2.

I imagine this is so that when they announce the next crossover event in six months they can bill it as the first big crisis of the new continuity. See, it’s not the umpteenth in a string of Crises from Old Continuity; it’s the first Crisis in the NEW Continuity! See your favorite characters team up in a universe-spanning conflict “for the first time”! The DC heroes have “never” faced a threat like this before! This is nothing like those old crossovers- those aren’t even canon!

The thing is that each crisis was the first crisis of that new “continuity”. COIE created a new continuity. Zero Hour was that continuity’s Crisis. Zero Hour became the new continuity and Infinite Crisis was that continuity’s Crisis, and so forth. How do you have a new “Crisis” after Final Crisis? You can have “crises” with different names though. Flashpoint was a “crisis”.

As far as I’m concerned, prior continuity stopped ‘mattering’ when I lost interest in reading comics last year. The New 52 brought me back, and I’m more invested in books now than I have been since Infinite Crisis. So, DC brought this relapsed reader back. It feels good to care about Superman now, instead of following the books just cause I always have.

I can’t wait for 20 years from now, when some young creator who grew up reading superheroes in the 80s and early nineties breaks every toy Johns has played with, because that’s not how HE remembers it, dammit.

This reboot is already a mess and has die-hard fans running away! Undo it while there is still hope for DC!

The one thing that stays consistent is that DiDio’s lame attempts at corporatespeak are always a complete mess & actually say absolutely nothing LOL!

I kinda see this as a big middle finger to the people who paid good money for those books and the tie in products. Buy an utimate edition coie you paid a hundred bucks for? To bad. Have any of the action figures that went with it? To bad. Those arnt part of the hip new dc so stuff them in a closet so you won’t remember the hard earned cash you spent on them.

But they mentioned Crisis on Infinite Earths in Hawk and Dove #1…..

actually, they didn’t mention COIE by that name or even really refer to a crisis in Hawk & Dove #1, only that Don Hall died heroically (although the idea is likely he died in the same battle as he did in COIE). So, he died as Dove in some way but not during anything called Crisis.

God will someone please FIRE Dan DiDio! The guy & his ego are out of control.

I am so done with DC and their re-boot BS.

If DC is smart then the era of the reboot is over for good. They made a mistake with the original Crisis. They wanted a fresh start and maybe Marvel-ize their comics and someone got greedy and decided that it would take a maxi-series in order to profit from it. The rebooting via mini-series is out there to satisfy all those readers that want their comics to “matter”. Creators and ownership gave continuity obsessed fans way too much power. Tell the good story, don’t worry about what happened 10 years ago. Those stories can still be enjoyed and if that flames out your brain because they’re not referenced, you need to grow up a little bit.

@Wintriuguing
Can we team up then?

On topic, I’m not terribly affected by it but think they can be referenced in a way that isn’t confipusing to new readers.

@racanlev
That actually might have been an easier way to relaunch the dcu since all you had to say to explain the new dcu was that the sidekick characters/legacy characters are taking over their mentors positions. So therefore most stories that dc did in the past have happened in the past for these characters. So therefore both sets of readers would be happy with the new characters as old readers could finally see what would happen if their favorite sidekick took over for their mentors. Plus actually get the sense that dcu is moving forward. While new readers could rest easy since there is a new guy/gal being in the character’s shoes who might be new to all this so they could be reader surrogates in a way.

This also would be a good move on part of the editorial staff since this move would be seen by people on both side as the most daring thing ever done by the big 2. Plus it would sidestep the biggest flaw of the dc big 7 and that is that they are not as interesting,compelling,or complex and flawed as the marvel characters by having characters who could be those things while keeping old fans happy since the sidekicks are easier to do thos things with. for ex- having Wally west divorce linda park is something easier that fans could accept than having Barry and iris divorcing.

Lee-Satan. Didio-Damien. They need to move back to the old 666 addy.

They called it a “soft reboot”, which was a mistake. They should have gone for a full reboot instead of trying to keep a few things to appeal to old readers. Someone still has to explain to me how Batman went through five Robins in five years, and how Superman went from where he is in Action Comics to where he is now in Superman having died and returned along the way. Doesn’t add up. They should have just started again from scratch!

This is just a mess. They need to just learn from their mistakes with the first crisis grow a pair and say WHAM. This is all new, nothing happened, and have all of the books starting at the same point of time. Similar to the DNA Legion Reboot they did after Zero hour.

“silogramsam Says:
actually, they didn’t mention COIE by that name or even really refer to a crisis in Hawk & Dove #1, only that Don Hall died heroically (although the idea is likely he died in the same battle as he did in COIE). So, he died as Dove in some way but not during anything called Crisis.”

Hawk & Dove #1:

Hank Hall: “You know the rest a’ this story, pop. During the WORST CRISIS (letters are bold and italic in the comic) the world’s ever seen, Dove got killed doin’ what he did best. Saving people.”

They DID refer to it as a crisis, the worst crisis the world’s ever seen, is it a crisis with capital ‘C’? Apparently not, but they DID mention a crisis and it seems it was a big deal, at least for H & D.

And this is why after 40 years of reading and collecting comics I punched out. I’m done. The very last book I will every buy is Flashpoint #5. Neither of the big companies really care any more. It’s just what can we do to have the next big thing and sell some books.

DC is excited about some of their books selling (to dealers) 100,000 copies. I remember when normal print runs printed in the indica where significantly higher then this. And the big deal comics like X-men #1 or Spider-man #1? Not even close to those.

Thanks for the memories DC and Marvel. I really enjoyed it while it lasted. Hopefully you will get your feet under you and figure out what you are really doing. Respect the fans. The new folks will be gone soon but the fans will be around for a long time.

At least one Crisis is still cannon, Blackest Night: An Over-hyped Marketing Crisis.

I was a long time Marvel Comics follower and stopped collecting a while back, except for Silver Surfer. I have always liked DC characters, but could not find a good jump on point and knew nothing about the continuity…too much. Now I am a DC fan and will be as long as they stay true to this reboot.

Did Crisis happen? Did Ted Kord die? Does it matter? Will people enjoy/hate the New DCnU?

Everyone is welcome to their opinion. Here’s mine… At least there are still comic books out there to buy! Drop the price to $2.00 a book and maybe my kids might be able to afford a book.

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What did you order? A can of worms?

So this is a modernized pre-Crisis universe/multiverse? But there’s still the 52 universes that came via Infinite Crisis?

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As an old fanboy, I’d like to state for the record that I wasn’t even rooting for this.

I wonder if there’s a DCnU Secret Files and Origins in the future with a timeline like they used to do?

So if there’s no COIE, that gives further weight to the thought that the Mysterious Hooded Woman is a new Harbinger.

I don’t care about what’s canon from 20, 30 years ago. Keep some, lose all of it…whatever. DC’s basic strategy here is correct: Telling good stories NOW, and the past continuity is largely irrelevant.

If they reference some semblance of the old stuff, fine. So bye bye Crises Infinite, Zero, Infinite Redux and Final. I don’t need to see those stories referenced ever again anyway – so no biggie.

Some advice to longtimers (such as myself, by the way): Let go of the OCD-ish requirement to expect the new stories to reference AND adhere to a “strict” continuity dating back decades. Not that that model ever really worked or made for better stories, but either way – it’s clearly over now.

Simply expect the new stories to make sense in the new paradigm. If the stories aren’t good, move on to something else. How hard is that?

Seriously?

I am a little confused, what about Batman, Nightwing, Batman and Robin books. They may not have anything to do with Crisis, but these books all reference past events pre-52; Nightwing as Batman, Tim Drake as Red Robin, and Damian as Robin.

I thought the “New” 52 were going to be reboots, a retelling of each characters story, but instead a lot of the characters are continuing where they left off.

There actually might be a “new” Crisis coming as some fans say. After all, I heard that in Flashpoint the DC, Vertigo, and Wildstorm worlds were separated to prevent them from fighting some great evil. I wonder what this evil could be though… Is it gonna be a villain DC has already created? Or is DC gonna create a new villain? It’s still too early to tell.

Actually. I’m wondering if anyone else has given this any thought. There is a reason Wally West hasn’t appeared in the new 52. Once the titles start to lose steam and one by one they are canceled ( my money is on Batwing or Hawk and Dove to fall first) Wally West will appear. He will be bewildered. He knows at one point, there was something about him that made him different. That somehow, he was important rather than just a short order cook in a central city diner. Somehow, the life he’s living isn’t right and he’s the only one who realizes it.
Gotham City will have fallen under a tyrannical rule of Wayne Enterprises. Metropolis has turned to it’s leading citizen Lex Luthor to finally bring in the Superman and Aquaman has become Earth’s champion! When sales of the new 52 finally level off and begin to slump, Wally West will step forward…or more accurately, step back. DC will bring back the status quo with a new mini series titled…wait for it…FLASHBACK!

@SkipSpacer: People bought the #1s because they are #1s and because there are ads about them EVERYWHERE. The folowing months will turn out to be much different…

Why couldn’t they have just RESTARTED!? If they wanted to relaunch, then we shouldn’t be worrying about what stories count. NONE OF THEM SHOULD. How is it more expressible to new readers if “all” of Green Lantern and Batman still count, but none of Superman? Didio says that the past will come up when it needs to, but that still doesn’t remove that need to know what counts still. And he can’t pretend like the past just won’t come up.

I am going to defend COIE. That was the story that started me reading comic books. I saw all these Charecters all together and I fell for all of them. I wanted to read about them in back issues.

Now, this “soft” reboot is not soft. Dido is horrible at PR but this whole thing was done to build sales. It makes sense from a financial standpoint. It hurt long time readers like myself who lost their Charecters histories but it gave us new stories. Are they all good stories….absolutely not. Can I complain, sure I can, the problem is complaining won’t help. In order to show DC that you are not satisfied stop reading what they publish. That will hit them in their wallet which force them to listen. I will read comics probably till the day I die but I will not spend money or time on stuff I don’t enjoy. If they write a good story I will read it, if they screw it up I won’t. Times are changing and either we can accept the change or stop giving them the money to do so.

Good Bye Booster Gold and Flash of MY Generation, Wally West..because at my LCS, there are ALWAYS guys in their 50s and 60s buying books, not guys 40 and younger (sarcasm)

@jim8ball

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

So Dan
If there was no crisis how come Hawk refers to it in the first book of his series,hmm? I can’t believe the utter lack of respect and diregard for the DC history and for us fans who’ve been around for 30 years plus.