I give this idiot zero props for anything.

What an attention-seeking dork that comic shop owner was. He has a problem with people supposedly taking god’s name in vain, but all the fighting and killing and “mature” content in comics is fine. I hope people now boycott his store.

BTW, when is “GD” part of a liberal agenda, and when was it that being liberal means you are godless and conservative means you love god and never use his name in vain.

This dumbass obviously watches fox news.

On the one hand, I find the “controversy” mildly ridiculous. The use of a curse in a comic book compared to… what else happens in comics on a normal monthly basis, it just seems overly trivial. Certainly overboard to cancel all orders on the book.

On the other, though, I think the moment I see “goddamn” cross the lips of Superman, no matter who is writing or drawing it, I’d probably lose any interest in that team’s rendition of the character, and be uninterested in reading it myself.

I guess that’s the line you have to walk as a retailer: if you feel strongly enough to not want it for yourself, do you also then feel strongly enough to not want it for your customers as well. To me, it rings of censorship, and I’d not frequent that store if I knew it was their practice. But it IS their store, so… to each his own.

Thing is, I read the issue, and it didn’t even occur to me that Clark might be swearing. I read it pretty much as Grant described it. So, honestly, you make the call to cancel all orders on the book, you should at least be certain the reasons why are valid ones.

So this guy can call Morrison the yiddish word for male reproductive organs but is horribly, horribly offended by the possibility of an acronym? That DC woudld scramble to appease this fascist does not speak well fo their commitment to creator autonomy. No surprise there, though.

“I think this was stupid and once morrison said it he realized mistake. Seriously I don’t like the book there is a lot liberal agenda in this book but religion related? No way. Glad it was cleared up.”

What’s not “cleared up” is this so-called “liberal agenda” you speak of… What exactly is it? Please, define this evil, lurking “agenda” for me.

Dumbass.

wow i can’t believe im backing grant morrison on anything…but yea.

hmmm when i read action comic’s 1 it looked to me like he had him saying god.

I don’t know about the gd thing, but I’ve slowed down to a tiny trickle of comic books because of the liberal new york agenda they’ve been pushing for at least the last decade. I thought they were in business to sell comic books, not sell their low quality values and justify the poor choices of their own lives. With how bad the market is these days, shouldn’t they be looking for ways to find an audience that can afford to buy comics because they are employed and believe in truth, justice, and the American way?

Grant Morrison’s the man, goddammit.

That is the most ridiculous thing … Boycott? Did he boycott when Morrison had Aquaman beat up an angel? So its ok to have the devil show up in various comics? But take the lords name in vain oooooh oh noes!!! This guy was obviously just trying to get media attention, “liberal agenda” in comics? Are comics more liberal? of course, genrally speaking artista dnwriters of ficton are more liberal thinkers… We are going to chock this one up to people acting like monkeys and beating thier chests for attention.

there are mor important things than a onomatopeying expession!!!

I think the guy has a right to do whatever he wants with his store including boycott Action Comics. His store, his choice. I wouldn’t have boycotted for that but whatever.

Comic book writers do have a tendency to be more “liberal” while I am much more conservative. Grant Morrison and his Action Comics are no exception. But I find that if a comic gets too preachy, then I drop it and write a letter to the publisher stating why. I don’t read comics to be swayed. I am intelligent enough to form my own opinions without a heavy handed hidden smack across my conservative face.

BTW…Superman should never say GD ever. I thought it was a sound effect though. But never ever should he say it. Edgy reinvent or not. It is too much of a stretch of the character. This is not Vertigo DC.

I saw GD and I thought the same thing. And I would have a huge problem with it. It’s horribly offensive to Christians. All of you people commenting that’s it’s ok, and the store owner is a “facist”, would you support a comic that was offensive to, say, Muslims? Maybe some remark about the prophet they hold in such high esteem? Or maybe if Supes made an anti-abortion comment? People would be screaming about how offensive that was and how it should have no place in a Superman comic, but when someone gets offended by something because of Christian beliefs he gets called a facist. Unbelievable.

Heh. This guy probably would have called for a boycott of Gundam Wing when it first came out because of all the time Duo said “Jesus Christ.” Not that he didn’t have a reason to.

This guy is a f!@#ing idiot.

Yup, the owner of the shop way overstepped his responsibilities to his customers, and showed that his bias and small-minded furor will take priority over all.

I would like to know if he actually posted his intent on his counter or in his window, if he would have followed through and kept it secret from paying customers, or if he is just a grandstanding attention hog.

I am a Christian and GD or God Damn is not offensive to me. If it is offensive grow up and learn more about your faith. Remeber the commandment is Not to use the Lord’s name in vain. Vain as in vanity. As in not say God helped you do this or God put me above others. That is using his name in vain.

This was the most ridiculous controversy ever seen. All Star Batman & Robin had batman using clear blasphemy.

When I saw the panel for Action Comics #1, I frankly thought Supe’s was now an a practicing jew or christian, or mindful of that practice as he didn’t want to offend the creator by writing or saying anything that could be disrespectful, erased or discarded. I sincerely thought he was saying G*d or Gd. Given the origin myth of Superman, and the individual history of those that created Superman, I thought it was a nice touch by Morrison.

Then someone ruined it for me by assuming it was G*d Damn, and it was a form of self-censorship by Morrison as he didn’t want to actually print the words, but implying that Superman was actually saying blasphemy.

And it turned out to be a grunt overall.

I then realized I was reading an underwear pervert book, and got over everything quickly. Especially when I realized that the one comic book owner probably only carries Archie comics from the 70s.

Mossey, keep your political views to yourself, You buy what you want, I’ll buy what I want. I won’t hold it against you for liking or unliking a book.

This is another fine example of the lack of business etiquette from comic book shop owners. Just another fan running a comic book shop, thinking he/she has say over what other people buy/read. This is why comic book shop owners are generally looked at negatively in the media.

brian I think your incorect fascism has nothing to do with being on the right and by most would be considered a brother to socialist.

It’s days like this I want to quit the internet =).

Polarized opinions are getting exhausting.

I didn’t realize a hero going against corruption was a liberal agenda, either. I enjoyed Action; it was my favorite (so far) of the New 52. Demolishing a building while people are still in it seems ridiculous and unrealistic though, unless Luthor really is that much of a loose cannon now?

I wonder if that store sells Preacher TPBs?

Joe Kach is my newest favorite person ever!

brian f that’s not a very proper quote of mussolini,this is a more proper one.
Mussolini claimed that Italian Fascism’s economic system of corporatism could be identified as either state capitalism or state socialism, which in either case involved “the bureaucratisation of the economic activities of the nation
Mussolini denounced supercapitalism for causing the “standardization of humankind” and for causing excessive consumption
Health and welfare spending grew dramatically under Italian fascism, with welfare rising from 7% of the budget in 1930 to 20% in 1940

also worth noteing Corporatism does not equal fascism. Corporatism pre-existed fascism and has nothing to do with the modern business corporation as many believe.

Yay for revisionist history and the “right wing”‘s corruption and revision of the political spectrum.
I see people like Mossey have bought into it part and parcel.
Fascism may have historically had a lot in common with how communitst countries played out, the problem is though those countries WEREN’T TRULY communist as Marx described.
They were still fascist dictatorships espousing a Marxist ideology.
Fascism is purely right wing as it is AN individual’s power over the state.
Both extremes lead to the same place.
As for Mossey’s obviously subjective reading of ACTION COMICS- people see what they WANT to see. It apparently didn’t matter to Mossey that the “rich” guy was indeed a criminal…and no Clark Kent wouldn’t be able to take them down more effectively anymore than Matt Tabbai has been able to take down and cause criminal prosecutions of Goldman Sachs and the ilk.
This “Superman” I am sure will protect from big threats, however he is also protecting the REAL PEOPLE from the threats that CANNIBALIZE them for the sake of greed.

It’s kind of warped that you deny that it is.
right wing= individual control over state
left wing= state control over individual

please please enlighten me with a basic boiled down definition of your own

There is also a fine line between nationalism and patriotism.
There is a crowd of people in this country that preach collectivist thought, ANY, is inherently evil.
Yet ask us to be patriotic at times of war. Patriotism is Collectivist.
What is more Patriotic? Being concerned about the citizens of your country and wanting to see they have the best chance to succeed OR cheering your country on as it bombs a country into the third world?

BASIC- Mossey started reading something and WANTED to see an “agenda”. Surprise surprise= He saw it.

Brian- Don’t bother. “Conservatives” in this country made an organized effort to revisions and redefine the political spectrum and meanings of words in order to suit their needs starting in the eighties…HENCE “Liberal” being a bad bad word even though our forefathers were considered LIBERAL. And yes, it was deliberate and organized and can be easily researched.

What’s the “American Way”? Someone fill me in.

–J.

Fascism WAS NOT created from socialism and the little thing you are missing is that fascism is AN Individual controlling the state= the EXTREME RIGHT. Fascism was created in RESPONSE to socialism, not from it. But you’ve bought into the MYTH propagated by the American “right” (Conservatives) and it’s redefinition of everything from “Liberal” to “socialist”.

I again refer you to- http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/redefining_the_political_spectru.htm

The name for strongest element of this new Right movement was “Fascism”, as Mussolini stated in 1932:

“If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the “Right,” a Fascist century.”

In 1935 he went on to write:

“The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The “Liberal State” is not a directing force, guiding the play and development (both material and spiritual) of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results. On the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious, and has itself a will and a personality – thus it may be called the “ethical” State…

The individual in the Fascist State is not annulled but rather multiplied, just in the same way that a soldier in a regiment is not diminished but rather increased by the number of his comrades. The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone…

The Fascist State is an embodied will to power and government, the idea of force in action. According to Fascism, government is not so much a thing to be expressed in territorial or military terms as in terms of morality and spirit. It is an empire – that is to say, a nation which directly or indirectly rules other nations without the need of conquering a single square yard of territory.”

So redefine terms then?
Typical.
Deny source?
Typical.

Sorry credited to Mussolini. And fascists like Mussolini and Hitler HATED communists and socialists. In FACT the “right” in america before ww2 supplied both with materials and supplies in hopes to STOP the spread of communism and socialism, fearing it.
“Anything we can do to stop the spread of communism in Europe is in our own best interest.”- Hearst on dealing with Mussolini. He also had a weekly column published in his newspapers by a Mussolini stooge.
So do you wanna try again, and this time NOT bring a knife to a gun fight?

Mussolini did NOT come to power as a SOCIALIST…are you IGNORANT or out right LYING?
He had been KICKED OUT of the SOCIALIST party

Mussolini became the 40th Prime Minister of Italy in 1922 and began using the title Il Duce by 1925. After 1936, his official title was “His Excellency Benito Mussolini, Head of Government, Duce of Fascism, and Founder of the Empire”.[1] Mussolini also created and held the supreme military rank of First Marshal of the Empire along with King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy, which gave him and the King joint supreme control over the military of Italy. Mussolini remained in power until he was replaced in 1943; for a short period after this until his death, he was the leader of the Italian Social Republic.

Mussolini was among the founders of Italian Fascism, which included elements of nationalism, corporatism, national syndicalism, expansionism, social progress, and anti-socialism in combination with censorship of subversives and state propaganda. In the years following his creation of the Fascist ideology, Mussolini influenced, or achieved admiration from, a wide variety of political figures.[2]

ohh thank you for enlighting me i thought we where talking about benito mussolini who started working at a Socialist Party newspaper in his mid 20′s,then after riseing to a prominent role in the socialist party.leading to him being in riot’s against the italy’s war against tripoli for the socialist party.after his prison time he became the editor of the Socialist Party newspaper,increseing the readership 5 fold.funny how you leave out that his reason for being kicked out of the socialist party,was his gaining power and decideing to make a more powerfull socialist party (the reason he created his own version of socialist fascist party).

Nice revisionist history AGAIN Richard…seriously i can play all day-
He was kicked out for disagreeing with them on intervention. You should do MORE than just briefly scan a Wiki page looking for key words and factoids.

“After being ousted by the Italian Socialist Party for his support of Italian intervention, Mussolini made a radical transformation, ending his support for class conflict and joining in support of revolutionary nationalism transcending class lines.”

“As Mussolini’s support for the intervention solidified, he became in conflict with socialists who opposed the war. He attacked the opponents of the war and claimed that those proletarians who supported pacifism were out of step with the proletarians who had joined the rising interventionist vanguard that was preparing Italy for a revolutionary war.[29] He began to criticize the Italian Socialist Party and socialism itself for having failed to recognize the national problems that had led to the outbreak of the war.[29] He was expelled from the party due to his support of intervention.”

“While associated with socialism, Mussolini’s writings eventually indicated that he had abandoned Marxism and egalitarianism in favour of Nietzsche’s übermensch concept and anti-egalitarianism”

Any more revisionist History you wanna hit us with? Maybe wanna call Glenn Beck to come and post since he is king of it?

This Superman is not a fascist as he does NOT believe in the supreme power of the state.
Mossey would be more correct in saying this Superman might use fascist tactics, but he is DEFINITELY not a fascist as it is obviously inherent that he does not believe the state and/or the law do enough.
I wouldn’t classify him as ANARCHIST either as he obviously believe in a social justice and order.
If ANYTHING it would seem to me this Superman is CLASSICALLY LIBERAL believing that the state and law should be there to protect rights and provide an equal “playground”.

Thank you Richard and Jrechter for your input. I have to say that Richard was correct in his 1st response to me that being left does not preclude the possibility of being a fascist. Individual beliefs can vary widely in any system.

A few updates on the Grant Morrison/Jeff Lamb stupidity-

1. The Comic Conspiracy’s facebook page is down.
2. I went to the store’s webpage- nowhere on http://thecomicconspiracy.com/ is there a mention of the name “Jeff Lamb”. Odd.

Jeff Lamb’s “controversy” is either (as he says) spurious to begin with, showing him to be either; a rather small, desperately attention-seeking troll with allot of time on his hands, or, a person claiming to have strident religious and political convictions who got on a rickety soapbox only to shrink and apologize when the fan-base, press and creators revealed him to be … a rather small, desperately attention-seeking troll with allot of time on his hands. Additionally, I find it fascinating that Lamb’s convictions, religious or political, are downright plastic when faced with public ridicule. Slow Clap for him and shame on all of us in the comics community (including DC for knuckling under and bothering to explain that “GD” is a sound effect) for giving this troll any attention- including me.

I’m one of the mythical “New Readers” that got interested in the DC Comics reboot when I was shopping for something for my son at the store. I bought a large number of the “New 52″ and thoroughly enjoyed Batman, Aquaman, Justice League, the Flash, Green Lantern… and then I got to Action Comics no. 1. It wasn’t the “gd” (although I did notice it and also thought it was a reference to God). What turned me off was the appearance that Superman was on a liberal crusade. Ugh. Whatever my personal politics may be, right or left, I don’t want to read about it in my comic books any more so that I want to talk about it at work or listen to it when I’m watching football. It really turned me off—it would have turned me off just as much if it were a rightest agenda.

Some quotations from the issue: “Rat. Rats with money”; “Just as soon as he makes a full confession. To someone who still believes the law works the same for rich and poor alike” (but doesn’t believe in speaking in complete sentences, apparently); the confession: “I’m guilty! What do you want me to say? I used illegal cheap labor… no safety standards… I bribed city officials… I lied… I lied to everyone….”

Seriously? This is what Superman is fighting? Rats with money who think the law doesn’t work the same for rich and poor alike? Superman now stands for Leftism, Social Justice, and the Progressive Way? If DC really wants to attract new readers, keep the real world political agenda—right or left—out of the comics. Because after spending over $100 on comic books—my first purchase since 1993, Mr. New Reader over here is now thoroughly turned off.