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The New DC… Might Be Surprisingly Like The Old DC

June 13th, 2011
Author Graeme McMillan

Well, here’s one reason why we shouldn’t be calling the new DC a reboot… Because it appears to leave all manner of former continuity in continuity. Not only do the Batman and Green Lantern franchises seem to be coming through the September relaunch pretty intact, but now Scott Lobdell seems to have spilled some particularly unexpected beans in an interview over at Bleeding Cool:

Similarly, Superboy comes to Teen Titans and his own series with a lot of his D.C.history in place.  He still showed up shortly after the Death of Superman, he is still the clone of Superman and Lex Luthor.  How we reconcile his past with the opening issues of Teen Titans and Superboy?   That, I’m afraid, has to remain vague for now.

Wait wait wait. Even in the new DCU, there’s been a Death of Superman storyline already? I mean, we knew already from Saturday’s LA Times event that at least two titles in the new line will begin in the past – Action and Justice League – but does that mean that we can fill in a lot of history for long-running characters by mapping what we already know about them onto the missing periods? And if so, does this mean that backstories have already been written for every character to make sure everything is consistent, or are we heading for the same level of confusion that followed 1985′s Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot?

13 Responses to “The New DC… Might Be Surprisingly Like The Old DC”
  1. Basque Says:

    It’s looking more and more like different books are going to be taking place at different times in DCU history. (Could this explain Barbara Gordon being Batgirl but Gail Simone hinting that Oracle hasn’t been wiped out of continuity?)

    But the more we find out about it, the more the relaunch sounds like a continuity clusterfuck. I thought the point of rebooting the DCU was to simplify things and attract new readers with characters who don’t have long convoluted backgrounds. But DC seems to want to have its cake and eat it too, by catering to both new readers and long-time fans who want their old comics to “matter.”

    I think it’s time to admit that maybe those goals are mutually exclusive. I supposed they might blow our minds by finding some amazing solutions to these contradictions, but I’m going to be very surprised if they do.

  2. Kimota94 Says:

    Definitely sounds like we’re heading toward mass confusion. I hope not, but it would certainly be consistent with what we’ve seen from DC recently. They seem to have an incredibly tough time getting all of their ducks in a line. Sigh.

  3. CagedLeo730 Says:

    It will only be confusing if people keep trying to guess if the minutae of continuity is maintained. Only go with what you’re told or shown in the comics. Everything else is up in the air. I’m guessing that the major happenings will stay around.

  4. K-Box Says:

    “Only go with what you’re told or shown in the comics.”

    Except that the comics themselves will necessarily be referencing the parts of past continuity that are still in continuity, and the people who are going to be the most confused by it — and the most discouraged by it — are going to be precisely those mythical “new readers” that DC is seeking to attract, because part of the whole point of slapping a big “NUMBER ONE” on an issue is to tell readers, “You shouldn’t need to know anything about this character from before this issue in order to be able to follow this story.”

    Ironically enough, if there was NO retconning going on, then this would actually be MORE accessible, because all those first issues would just say, “Okay, here’s a quick summary of what’s happened so far, so here’s where we’re going now.” Likewise, a total from-the-ground-up reboot would be even easier, because it would say, “Forget everything you might have read in any other Superman story — this is how it is from now on.”

    The problem is, much like “Brand New Day,” DC is saying, “Okay, MOST of what’s happened before is still the same, but SOME of it has been changed, and those things that were changed are IMPORTANT, or else we wouldn’t have bothered to change them, but we’re not going to tell you EXACTLY what’s changed and what hasn’t in the past, even though we’re still going to be referencing the past and treating a lot of it as a given.”

    As much as they complain about retcons, it’s actually the most long-term fans who are the most willing and able to wrap their heads around retcons, because NON-fans don’t even know what the term “retcon” MEANS, and unless you’re doing a TOTAL reboot, where EVERYTHING has changed (everyone gets that Christopher Nolan’s Batman is a different character from Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher’s Batman), most mainstream audiences are going to interpret such half-measure changes as being confusing and not worth their time.

    As terrible as Michael Bay’s Transformers films have been, they did not represent PARTIAL reboots of the preexisting continuities of the Simon Furman comics or the Sunbow animated series or Beast Wars or anything else — they were simply free to be their own thing. By contrast, Bryan Singer’s “Superman Returns” played a pick-and-choose game with the continuity of the Richard Donner films, constantly referencing them without spelling out what parts of them were not in continuity (according to Singer himself, Superman II was in continuity for his film, but Zod’s arrival on Earth was not, which makes absolutely no sense).

  5. Sean R-B Says:

    I don’t know. My solution to the issues of what’s canon and what’s not with the DC reboot is to pretty much ignore it. If the new stories are good and keep me entertained, then that’s a good thing. If a new story somehow indicates that Beppo the Supermonkey never existed, but it’s still a good story, no harm done. Because all of those stories with Beppo in them are still out there and I can track them down and read them anytime I want to. Too much attachment to previous continuity just limits the stories that can be told and makes the reader unhappy. So, I’m okay with letting it go.

  6. Chris B. Says:

    I’m choosing to see all these #1′s as fresh starts. If there is history behind these characters, I hope it’s explained as a means if developing the current story, not to appease people.

    I wish they had done a hard reboot with new origins for those characters with current origins steeped in continuity (Tim Drake, Hawkman, Donna Troy).

  7. K-Box Says:

    “If the new stories are good and keep me entertained, then that’s a good thing. If a new story somehow indicates that Beppo the Supermonkey never existed, but it’s still a good story, no harm done.”

    Except that the way that DC seems to be approaching several of these characters’ histories, to use your example, is to reassure their long-term readers that Beppo DID exist, and so did the majority of his stories, at the same time that they try and pick-and-choose which parts of Beppo’s canon are still in canon, since they’ll still be referencing that canon after the reboot.

    Thus, if you’re some sort of Super-Monkey purist (and God help you if you are), you’re going to be upset that they changed a whole bunch of things seemingly at random, and if you’re a new reader, you’re going to feel like you’ve been lied to (and you have) by the big “Number One” on the cover of your comic, because you’ll feel like you’re joining a story halfway through (and you are), and what’s worse is that you can’t even use back-issues to catch up, as you could have done in the old days of ongoing series, because who knows how many of those old issues are still canon?

    This is NOT a path to new reader accessibility. If it were, the black guy that every kid knows from every Justice League cartoon that’s aired on TV in the past DECADE would be “the” Green Lantern, instead of Hal Jordan.

  8. Sean R-B Says:

    @ K-Box:
    I guess the issue that I have with all the angst over what DC is doing is that people are getting all upset and venting their upset on the interwebs over “the way that DC seems to be approaching” this. I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and actully SEE what they’re doing before getting upset. In truth, if DC gets it even 80% right, then it’s going to be an exciting bunch o’ comics to read.

  9. Ricardo Amaral Says:

    It’s definitely less Crisis and much more akin to Zero Hour or one of those crappy events that came afterwards (Infinite Crisis, for instance). Still, DC seems to be lost and this whole revamp thing sounds more irrational than Keith Giffen’s hat trick (in the latter’s defense, he had a reason to do so!, but business-wise, DC shouldn’t).

  10. K-Box Says:

    Sean R-B:

    I guess my problem with giving this reboot or relaunch or whatever it is the benefit of the doubt is that it’s being spearheaded by literally the EXACT SAME PEOPLE who have been in charge of the DC Universe during the period when it’s gotten so convoluted that they themselves decreed that a reboot or relaunch or whatever was necessary in the first place.

    That’s like running a restaurant into the ground by taking a dump in all the entrees, and then pointing out that all the food tastes like crap as a result, and THEN insisting that you should be made a member of the health department for correctly diagnosing the stomach-turning toxicity that you yourself went out of your way to create (see also: Joe Quesada claiming that he was “fixing” Spider-Man” with “Brand New Day,” when he himself already had total editorial control over the character’s direction from 2001-2007, an era which he himself asserted made it necessary to “fix” the character in the first place).

    Pretty much everything that’s wrong with DC right now can be laid at Dan DiDio’s feet, and yet, we’re supposed to have faith that he’s going to save us from the sinkhole that he turned the company into? That’s like hiring Bernie Madoff to fix the economy.

  11. Y Says:

    Keep in mind you have Lodbell writing Superboy. He gets convoluted as hell on X-Men after Claremont convoluted the plot to begin with. It will just continue rampant until the next Crisis. Hope that Harras gets the boot in 5 years and DC has a Marvel-like sales renaissance for the past decade come 2016-2020-ish. Noticed I said SALES, to tell good stories means all the stories will suck. The comic buying audience at large they are catering to is full of newbies and doesn’t know the true meaning of good storytelling which is why they buy this crap up without thinking.

  12. Molnek Says:

    See this is my problem with DC’s approach. They say they’re trying to make it accessible for new readers, I don’t like that but I can at least respect it. I can understand a lot of changes from a business perspective and to make it easier for good stories to be written. But then they start with all these little fixes and assure us it’s not a reboot. They’re basically saying “These titles are doing crappy because they’re confusing to people. But even though it’s a shared universe we aren’t going to change these titles because people are buying them.”

  13. KaleRylan Says:

    I’m basically with K-box. Either have the brass balls to just restart the whole universe and do it well, or leave it as is (new number ones or not). This weird picking and choosing of continuity is just going to turn the entire universe into a modern version of Donna Troy’s post-crisis backstory, which was so complicated that their final solution for anyone that doesn’t know was to say that THE UNIVERSE ITSELF couldn’t understand and that’s why it’s crazy.

    I do not think this is a good precedent to follow.

    On a second note, I have been slowly less impressed by the reveals as they have come out, partially due to their seeming lack of loyalty to their own high-concept. The justice league picture was cool and got me excited. Yes, it was Jim Lee, but that’s not it, Superman for example looked cool, his costume appeared to be modernized without that many changes and he looked younger without looking 15 or anything. Now his books come out and, art quality of the two covers aside, he looks the same age on the cover of one and on the other, if anything, he looks older.

    This does not excite me, if you’re going to leave him basically the same age with basically the same backstory, then just leave him alone.

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