Comments on: Agent of S.T.Y.L.E.: The Cloaks and Costumes of the Hobgoblin! http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Sun, 26 May 2013 00:52:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: draco http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-729992 draco Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:01:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-729992 Quite frankly I don't believe that Kingsley is truly dead as it is common knowledge that Kingsley uses decoys and dupes to stand in for him. Plus, it seems suspect that Phil would just decide to be the Hobgoblin as opposed to going back to being the Green Goblin-also how did Phil know about that job Kingsley had for the Kingpin and how did he know to go back to the Kingpin's hideout? Plus, I find it strange that the Kingpin would just take Phil's word that Kingsley is dead without seeing a body, especially when the Kingpin knows that Kingsley has faked his death before. Either Slott is a very bad writer or there is some mysterious plot afoot. Quite frankly I don’t believe that Kingsley is truly dead as it is common knowledge that Kingsley uses decoys and dupes to stand in for him. Plus, it seems suspect that Phil would just decide to be the Hobgoblin as opposed to going back to being the Green Goblin-also how did Phil know about that job Kingsley had for the Kingpin and how did he know to go back to the Kingpin’s hideout? Plus, I find it strange that the Kingpin would just take Phil’s word that Kingsley is dead without seeing a body, especially when the Kingpin knows that Kingsley has faked his death before. Either Slott is a very bad writer or there is some mysterious plot afoot.

]]> By: Lorri Lewis http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-720746 Lorri Lewis Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:06:14 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-720746 Hey there, You've done a fantastic job. I’ll definitely digg it and personally suggest to my friends. I am confident they'll be benefited from this site. Hey there, You’ve done a fantastic job. I’ll definitely digg it and personally suggest to my friends. I am confident they’ll be benefited from this site.

]]> By: CapCanuk http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635878 CapCanuk Tue, 31 May 2011 14:49:20 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635878 @ Reid: Don't be a douche. I bet there is more involved in researching these things than you can appreciate. W @ Alan: Great articles! I really enjoy them. As for HOBGOBLIN, he is one of the great Spidey villains. JRJR's design was PERFECT. I really, really don't like the "new" Phil Urich as Hobgoblin or new design. The wings are too bulky (too me they would limit his maneuverability)and the flaming sword says 90's to me as well (substitute claw for sword) and he is too comical looking. Or maybe it is just Ramos art? I could be biased as I am not a fan of his art. Anyway, those early Hobgoblin stories were some of my favourite. In my own personal continuity, like the other poster, the one TRUE Hobgoblin is just waiting in the shadows for the right time to strike... @ Reid: Don’t be a douche. I bet there is more involved in researching these things than you can appreciate. W

@ Alan: Great articles! I really enjoy them.

As for HOBGOBLIN, he is one of the great Spidey villains. JRJR’s design was PERFECT.

I really, really don’t like the “new” Phil Urich as Hobgoblin or new design. The wings are too bulky (too me they would limit his maneuverability)and the flaming sword says 90′s to me as well (substitute claw for sword) and he is too comical looking. Or maybe it is just Ramos art? I could be biased as I am not a fan of his art.

Anyway, those early Hobgoblin stories were some of my favourite. In my own personal continuity, like the other poster, the one TRUE Hobgoblin is just waiting in the shadows for the right time to strike…

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635852 Alan Kistler Tue, 31 May 2011 12:52:53 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635852 REID: This isn't a journalism piece, that's why it's in the blog. It's just meant for fun and discussion, as one might expect when the subject is "super-villain fashion." As for your concern, the general practice of this column for over a year now has been to not talk about animated incarnations or alternate universe incarnations unless they warrant special attention. But thanks for making sure to read and post again. Increasing the number of views and the number of comments on any piece is always appreciated and pleases the higher ups. JILLPANTOZZI: I can definitely see that. Slade decides he feels a bit mischievous and sets his sword aflame. :-) REID: This isn’t a journalism piece, that’s why it’s in the blog. It’s just meant for fun and discussion, as one might expect when the subject is “super-villain fashion.” As for your concern, the general practice of this column for over a year now has been to not talk about animated incarnations or alternate universe incarnations unless they warrant special attention. But thanks for making sure to read and post again. Increasing the number of views and the number of comments on any piece is always appreciated and pleases the higher ups.

JILLPANTOZZI: I can definitely see that. Slade decides he feels a bit mischievous and sets his sword aflame. :-)

]]> By: JillPantozzi http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635782 JillPantozzi Tue, 31 May 2011 06:55:55 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635782 That first modern day picture Hobgoblin looks very Deathstroke-like. That first modern day picture Hobgoblin looks very Deathstroke-like.

]]> By: Reid http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635685 Reid Mon, 30 May 2011 22:24:39 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635685 Looks like Hobgoblin from Spider-Man the Animated series was left out. Yet more sh*tty "journalism" from Kistler. Looks like Hobgoblin from Spider-Man the Animated series was left out. Yet more sh*tty “journalism” from Kistler.

]]> By: slappy http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635435 slappy Mon, 30 May 2011 03:07:57 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635435 Minor correction: Amazing #238 was released in late 1982, not 1980. It was cover dated March 1983. Minor correction: Amazing #238 was released in late 1982, not 1980. It was cover dated March 1983.

]]> By: Buhe22 http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635348 Buhe22 Sun, 29 May 2011 18:09:06 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635348 I agree, Jason E, because Kingsley liked to play it safe and is perhaps watching Ulrich at a distance. It might have been his twin brother that he used to make it seem that he and Hobgoblin were two different people by being seen together. Despite losing the journals, he may still have the goblin formula in hand, since he had computers analyse it to fix the psychological side-effects, and used it on his brother to make him a convincing decoy in case Kingpin was watching him and perhaps planned to take him down. I agree, Jason E, because Kingsley liked to play it safe and is perhaps watching Ulrich at a distance.

It might have been his twin brother that he used to make it seem that he and Hobgoblin were two different people by being seen together. Despite losing the journals, he may still have the goblin formula in hand, since he had computers analyse it to fix the psychological side-effects, and used it on his brother to make him a convincing decoy in case Kingpin was watching him and perhaps planned to take him down.

]]> By: Ron B http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635331 Ron B Sun, 29 May 2011 15:53:05 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635331 Alan. I really enjoy these articles of yours. Fun stuff. Keep em coming. Alan. I really enjoy these articles of yours. Fun stuff. Keep em coming.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635259 Alan Kistler Sun, 29 May 2011 06:56:07 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635259 IAN: They really didn't play the Green Goblin well in that cartoon. One of a few reasons why it didn't gel with me as a kid. IAN: They really didn’t play the Green Goblin well in that cartoon. One of a few reasons why it didn’t gel with me as a kid.

]]> By: Ian http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635174 Ian Sat, 28 May 2011 21:14:30 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635174 I'm surprised it took me this long to notice that Demogoblin sounds like hemoglobin. Maybe if I read more than two issues that featured him, it could have been different. Anyway, when I was watching the 90s cartoon as a kid, Green Goblin seemed really plain after that cloaked Hobgoblin. I’m surprised it took me this long to notice that Demogoblin sounds like hemoglobin. Maybe if I read more than two issues that featured him, it could have been different. Anyway, when I was watching the 90s cartoon as a kid, Green Goblin seemed really plain after that cloaked Hobgoblin.

]]> By: Imogen http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635168 Imogen Sat, 28 May 2011 20:50:22 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635168 Another great review, Alan. Some comments: 1. The Kingsley Hobgoblin: A really fabulous piece of work by Romita jr. I would even argue that it is superior to the Ditko Green Goblin design. At the very least, it is creepier looking. 2. Macendale Hobgoblin: Just kept on getting worse and worse over time. 3. Demogoblin: Just never really worked. 4. Ulrich Hobgoblin: A really interesting spin on the Romita jr Hobgoblin design. Looking ahead: Come on, Alan, when are we going to see your review on the costumes in the THOR film? I thought that it was a successful live action adaptation of the Comics designs. Another great review, Alan. Some comments:

1. The Kingsley Hobgoblin: A really fabulous piece of work by Romita jr. I would even argue that it is superior to the Ditko Green Goblin design. At the very least, it is creepier looking.

2. Macendale Hobgoblin: Just kept on getting worse and worse over time.

3. Demogoblin: Just never really worked.

4. Ulrich Hobgoblin: A really interesting spin on the Romita jr Hobgoblin design.

Looking ahead: Come on, Alan, when are we going to see your review on the costumes in the THOR film? I thought that it was a successful live action adaptation of the Comics designs.

]]> By: Chase G. http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635092 Chase G. Sat, 28 May 2011 15:37:49 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635092 Haha, I'm not disagreeing with that. I didn't think of the cyber Hobgoblin when I was typing that. Man, that was lame in concept and design. Haha, I’m not disagreeing with that. I didn’t think of the cyber Hobgoblin when I was typing that. Man, that was lame in concept and design.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635082 Alan Kistler Sat, 28 May 2011 15:04:26 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635082 CHASE G: I'm fond of Demogoblin too, just not those buckles. But I do argue that the black tech costume is lame. Of course, feel free to disagree with me, it's all opinion. :-) CHASE G: I’m fond of Demogoblin too, just not those buckles. But I do argue that the black tech costume is lame. Of course, feel free to disagree with me, it’s all opinion. :-)

]]> By: Batfan86 http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635081 Batfan86 Sat, 28 May 2011 15:04:06 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635081 I don't know a whole alot about Spider-Man comics, but I always that the Hobgoblin was much cooler and more dangerous than the Green Goblin in the 90s cartoon. I'd like to see him in a film one day. I don’t know a whole alot about Spider-Man comics, but I always that the Hobgoblin was much cooler and more dangerous than the Green Goblin in the 90s cartoon. I’d like to see him in a film one day.

]]> By: Hambone http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635074 Hambone Sat, 28 May 2011 14:44:04 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635074 I think you're wrong about the new Urich Hobgoblin design, the additional orange shoulders and goofy bat wings make him look waaaaay too top heavy. Plus, his personality is REALLY annoying; give me the cool calculating Kingsley any day! I think you’re wrong about the new Urich Hobgoblin design, the additional orange shoulders and goofy bat wings make him look waaaaay too top heavy. Plus, his personality is REALLY annoying; give me the cool calculating Kingsley any day!

]]> By: Chase G. http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-635031 Chase G. Sat, 28 May 2011 12:55:59 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-635031 You know, excluding the forgettable Secret Wars costume, the Hobgoblin is pretty unique in that I don't think he's had a single bad costume. I'm especially fond of the Demogoblin, for whatever reason. You know, excluding the forgettable Secret Wars costume, the Hobgoblin is pretty unique in that I don’t think he’s had a single bad costume. I’m especially fond of the Demogoblin, for whatever reason.

]]> By: Jason E. http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634945 Jason E. Sat, 28 May 2011 06:28:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634945 Amazing Spider-Man #238 was the comic that started me collecting, so you know The Hobgoblin has a special place in my heart. So his shoddy treatment at the hands of Dan Slott to make HIS Hobgoblin look bad sticks in my craw. I choose to believe that the Hobgoblin that Phil Urich killed was actually another dupe Kingsley hypnotized or tricked (like Lefty Donovan in ASM #244-245 and Ned Leeds) and is still sipping Mai Tai's somewhere tropical, waiting for the right time to come back! But anyway...great article, as always! One of my few "must-reads" on Newsarama any more. Amazing Spider-Man #238 was the comic that started me collecting, so you know The Hobgoblin has a special place in my heart. So his shoddy treatment at the hands of Dan Slott to make HIS Hobgoblin look bad sticks in my craw.

I choose to believe that the Hobgoblin that Phil Urich killed was actually another dupe Kingsley hypnotized or tricked (like Lefty Donovan in ASM #244-245 and Ned Leeds) and is still sipping Mai Tai’s somewhere tropical, waiting for the right time to come back!

But anyway…great article, as always! One of my few “must-reads” on Newsarama any more.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634940 Alan Kistler Sat, 28 May 2011 05:41:52 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634940 MICHAEL: Nope, the Hobgoblin came around almost 20 years after the first Green Goblin story and after there had been THREE Green Goblin villains. And there have been MANY other goblin characters, which I'm sure we'll get to at some point. TIM: Roger Stern, who created the Hobgoblin, left the book before he was able to reveal the identity. The next couple of writers were told they had to reveal WHO the Hobgoblin was and concluded that it could be Ned Leeds, so they had him die and then revealed post-mortem that he had been the Hobgoblin all along. But for some readers, part of this didn't make sense (for instance, as powerful as the Hobgoblin was and as superhumanly strong as he was, Ned Leeds was easily taken down by a handful of human hitmen AND they were able to break his arm). So years later, when Macendale was just getting more and more lame, Stern came back and pitched the idea that he could reveal who he wanted the Hobgoblin to be all along AND reveal that Ned Leeds had been another poor soul framed by him, just as Lefty Donovan and Flash Thompson had both been framed in the past. So it was a retcon but one that was kind of intended. :-P MICHAEL: Nope, the Hobgoblin came around almost 20 years after the first Green Goblin story and after there had been THREE Green Goblin villains. And there have been MANY other goblin characters, which I’m sure we’ll get to at some point.

TIM: Roger Stern, who created the Hobgoblin, left the book before he was able to reveal the identity. The next couple of writers were told they had to reveal WHO the Hobgoblin was and concluded that it could be Ned Leeds, so they had him die and then revealed post-mortem that he had been the Hobgoblin all along. But for some readers, part of this didn’t make sense (for instance, as powerful as the Hobgoblin was and as superhumanly strong as he was, Ned Leeds was easily taken down by a handful of human hitmen AND they were able to break his arm). So years later, when Macendale was just getting more and more lame, Stern came back and pitched the idea that he could reveal who he wanted the Hobgoblin to be all along AND reveal that Ned Leeds had been another poor soul framed by him, just as Lefty Donovan and Flash Thompson had both been framed in the past. So it was a retcon but one that was kind of intended. :-P

]]> By: K-Box http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634908 K-Box Sat, 28 May 2011 03:15:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634908 Phil Urich as the Hobgoblin is terrible on so many levels. Phil Urich as the Hobgoblin is terrible on so many levels.

]]> By: ziyad http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634905 ziyad Sat, 28 May 2011 03:09:50 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634905 the last one looks cool. the last one looks cool.

]]> By: Buhe22 http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634877 Buhe22 Sat, 28 May 2011 01:05:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634877 Ned Leeds was being controlled by Kingsley and then used to fake his death, the Hobgoblin one, because Kingsley, the real original, became bored with the life or something. Ned Leeds was being controlled by Kingsley and then used to fake his death, the Hobgoblin one, because Kingsley, the real original, became bored with the life or something.

]]> By: Tim http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634869 Tim Sat, 28 May 2011 00:12:29 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634869 What happened to Ned Leeds? I thought he was the first Hobgoblin? What happened to Ned Leeds? I thought he was the first Hobgoblin?

]]> By: Michael http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634868 Michael Sat, 28 May 2011 00:10:26 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634868 I always thought the hobgoblin came first like in the show is it there a 3rd one call spidergoblin I always thought the hobgoblin came first like in the show is it there a 3rd one call spidergoblin

]]> By: Buhe22 http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634866 Buhe22 Sat, 28 May 2011 00:04:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634866 Macendale, I believe, found Kraven's journal, and in return, was given the elixir that gave Kraven his power which reacted with the anomalies in Macendale's bloodstream, probably from his demonic possession, which made him more powerful then Kraven. It probably later wore off since Kraven had to retake the elixir to stay superhuman. I don't think he ever gotten the goblin formula and his cybernetics probably enhanced his strength afterwards. Macendale, I believe, found Kraven’s journal, and in return, was given the elixir that gave Kraven his power which reacted with the anomalies in Macendale’s bloodstream, probably from his demonic possession, which made him more powerful then Kraven.

It probably later wore off since Kraven had to retake the elixir to stay superhuman.

I don’t think he ever gotten the goblin formula and his cybernetics probably enhanced his strength afterwards.

]]> By: Fluffy6079 http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634850 Fluffy6079 Fri, 27 May 2011 23:02:06 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634850 "So when are you going to do Powergirl?"....heh..... In all seriousness though, I'd kinda like to see one of these on all the different looks Ben Reilly sported over the years. Great write up! “So when are you going to do Powergirl?”….heh…..

In all seriousness though, I’d kinda like to see one of these on all the different looks Ben Reilly sported over the years.

Great write up!

]]> By: newway12 http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/05/27/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-cloaks-and-costumes-of-the-hobgoblin/comment-page-1/#comment-634842 newway12 Fri, 27 May 2011 22:37:41 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=25624#comment-634842 The hobgoblin is one of the few spinoff villains that actually caught on. So when are you going to do Powergirl? The hobgoblin is one of the few spinoff villains that actually caught on.

So when are you going to do Powergirl?

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