Comments on: Associated Press Spoils FANTASTIC FOUR #587 Hours Before Comic Goes on Sale

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By: HotFuzz

HotFuzz — Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:48:47 +0000

Well, at least Barry Allen stayed dead for like 20 years. And Bucky was dead for like 60+ years!! In fact, Barry Allen has been dead far longer than Jason Todd, so the “Bucky Clause” was flawed from the beginning.

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By: silvanthalas

silvanthalas — Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:39:43 +0000

“And if the how is well-written, does it really matter that it was done at all?”

It wasn’t well-written. It was all hype and, in the end, completely lazy, cliched, and entirely predictable.

The backdoor for a return wasn’t even hidden, but left wide open in the form of a character OUTRIGHT STATING that there’s a backdoor.

This doesn’t just cry PR stunt, it screams it as loud as possible like a 10 year old at a Justin Bieber concert.

By: John

John — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:23:01 +0000

Glad I passed on this, picked up an extra DC book instead.

By: DaVeO

DaVeO — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:22:40 +0000

So, to all the people crying scam and “he’ll be back” what would it take for you to change your narrow view? A personal letter written my Marvel’s president saying they vow not to return said character back to the living? Will you then collect the book or get the trades with this storyline? Most of you probably are not even reading Fantastic Four ( or will even do so after this) so WHY are you bothering to comment?

Permanent death. Who gives a crap if it’s permanent. Hasn’t affected X-Men sales. When someone dies we say it was “pointless.” When someone is resurrected we say “no one stays dead.”

Deaths and revivals have been a part of comics since at least the 80′s. Get. Used. To. It. It’s not so much if or when a character returns. It’s the how. And if the how is well-written, does it really matter that it was done at all? If the writer does indeed have a planned plot, which none of you have any reason to doubt he does. Then give him the chance to tell it before crying PR STUNT!

By: DaVeO

DaVeO — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:07:27 +0000

“Ok so the torch died, i’ll wait a year and he’ll be back, maybe reed goes back in time and saves him or something.
you know what will be good, if they kill a hero and he stays dead, period! but this is comics and no one stays dead cuz they need money, so you next year torch.”

Ladies and gentlemen, the most cliched comment after a character death. Give him a hand folks!

By: silvanthalas

silvanthalas — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:14:50 +0000

“Another Marvel scam that we all fell for.”

I have to say, even without the media driving the spoiler train on this one, I’m left scratching my head over this “death”. Scam? It certainly feels that way.

By: Topher4801

Topher4801 — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:33:12 +0000

What a joke. We don’t even see him “die”. Captain American dies infront of everyone and he’s back 6 months later. We don’t even see Johnny die. He probably went supernova after the gate shut.

Another Marvel scam that we all fell for. Yet another reason to drop Marvel. Bye, bye.

By: Thee Opinionator!

Thee Opinionator! — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:27:01 +0000

I’ve seen Johnny go supernova on occasion, proving his power is off the charts. He should have been the last one standing on a mound of ash and bones! After a lifetime of epic battles he should have been shown to be way more resourceful. It seemed to be weak writing. They could have achieved the same result and given us a death worthy of a warrior like Johnny. They short-changed his character. It should have been a full issue battle with give and take not a few cheap panels. Give the artist a chance to blow us away with an exhaustive battle with Johnny finally succumbing to overwhelming odds. We were robbed of the potential emotional payoff. I don’t mind that he died, it was just a cheap death.

By: Arcturas

Arcturas — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 00:04:54 +0000

……..this is why i quit reading new comics twenty years ago. I am so sick of dark and gritty. If Marvel wanted to emulate the real world, Jean Grey and everyone who has died in comics would still be dead. If comic books join pulp fiction novels in fanboy heaven, they would be in a better place; by sticking around and milking the ‘deaths’ of beloved characters to make a buck, Marvel dishonors the people who created these characters, back when the real world was just as dark and as gritty as it is now. The problem with dark and gritty is that if there is no light and no good left in the world, there is no contrast between good and evil.

By: T-Bone

T-Bone — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:16:03 +0000

Maybe bring the Torch back as Ronin for awhile and then….oh wait a second….

By: Shawn

Shawn — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:55:21 +0000

For everyone who thinks that the “no one stays dead” fans are too cynical – I challenge you………. Name 10 characters who have died who have never been brought back – even once, or who are unlikely to return.

I can come up with 2.

The Earth Two Batman who died back in 1979 has never been resurrected and I doubt he will be, although honestly it would be cool to have an Earth 2 (new Multiverse numbering) Batman & Robin again.

The Earth Two Lois Lane who died in Infinite Crisis. I really don’t see them ever bringing her back UNLESS………….

They bring back the Earth Two Superman, which honestly I could see them doing at some point, as long as the new Multiverse exists.

By: Skott

Skott — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:59:55 +0000

Marvel really showed how little they care for their fans by ruining this story like this.
I had a total media blackout starting Monday night when it first started leaking because as a long time reader I didn’t want it spoiled for me.
Thanks, Marvel for showing the fans you care more about fake hype from a media that neither gives a rats ass nor knows anything about comics than the people who will still toss away $3 and $4 a month for your comics.
You’ll be getting considerably less from me for a long time. And, you’re FF series starting next month? I won’t even look at it. It’ll only run for 11 issues then revert (again) to original numbering with Fantastic Four #600.

By: fender65

fender65 — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:14:30 +0000

The really sad thing would be if Marvel thought we would all really believe he was going to die and stay dead. (if they do, they’re delusional, and if they don’t then they deserve every bit of cynical censure heaped on them)

By: Spike

Spike — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 17:13:55 +0000

I still don’t have it. I made the mistake of going to CRAPPY ST. MARKS COMICS in Brooklyn bought it off the shelf with all the new issues. It wasn’t bagged which I thought was odd. Even talked to the counter guy about it being spoiled. Got home… it was last issue I bought with a new cover. I called up and they said “oh we sold out” when the guy at the desk told me they didn’t even put it out yesterday cause it was boxed with all their other comics. So obviously they are trying to hoarde them at St. Marks.
Should have just gone to my regular shop Midtown!

By: Jon

Jon — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:39:35 +0000

This is still better than the lame ring gimmick DC pulled… haha

By: PaulOfMackinac

PaulOfMackinac — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:29:43 +0000

Marvel put things in perspective about all things relating to comic books when they blew away years of character development with their “One Last Day” nonsehse. I learned not to invest any amount of emotional involvement in (what is, after all) words and drawings printed on cheap paper. That’s why the deaths of Hawkman and Hawkgirl, or Johnny Storm for that matter, leave me indifferent now. I just shrug, toss the particular issue aside, and look for a omic issue that will resonate with me again. Fortunately there still is a lot of good work out there. I say in closing, sure JS will be back in a year..and if not, who in Hades’ name cares? There are 586 back issues to read where the Torch lives on in all his teen angst greatness. And, too, there is always the android Human Torch…

By: Joseph

Joseph — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 07:24:50 +0000

Hmm. I guess I’m not quite as cynical as I thought. As I posted last week on the story about Marvel’s releasing the issue “a day early”:

Joseph Says:

January 20th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
If I were really cynical, I’d say that this is early warning for the retailers (and fans) that Marvel plans on letting the cat out of the bag (so to speak) to the media sometime Tuesday.

It wasn’t cynicism, after all. It was merely getting into Marvel’s proverbial head and figuring out their real game plan.

By: Darmstr745

Darmstr745 — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 02:21:00 +0000

It will end up not being Johnny but something from the Negative Zone and that is where the real Johnny will be found.

By: The Thriller

The Thriller — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:57:05 +0000

Holy cow. Are any of you guys actually comic book fans? Or do you just come on here to troll for no reason other than you like to hear yourself complain. What a bunch of weiners.

By: Neal

Neal — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:37:40 +0000

I might make a heroclix team of dead Marvel characters: Goliath, Nightcrawler, Hercules, Human Torch…
Who else is currently dead that I can throw in here?

By: CaptainXenu

CaptainXenu — Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:19:46 +0000

First Family of Comics? Really? If any family is the first, wouldn’t it be the Marvels, considering the amount of random Marvels that appeared throughout the years. Including Uncle Marvel?

By: Dreamer

Dreamer — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:59:32 +0000

We have become so jaded by the repeated use of death/rebirth to sell comics that pretty much any of us would bet on Torch returning for issue #600 . . . so wouldn’t be great to see a death stick? No offense to Johnny or anything, but there’s always the hope that Marvel sticks to the old ‘dead is dead’ philosophy.

By: Faceless_Mass

Faceless_Mass — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:21:39 +0000

You are welcome!

By: beane2099

beane2099 — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:37:46 +0000

I know Hickman says this wasn’t motivated by the fact that “it was his turn”; and I believe him, but it totally WAS his turn. After the “death of Sue” hullabaloo a couple years ago it wouldn’t have made any sense. And the Thing died 6 or 7 years ago, ending with the FF storming Heaven (awesome story btw). And given that Reed was trying to “solve everything” his death didn’t make sense either.

Also, they’ve said that FF is going back to issue 600, so that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

This is something I’ve never done, but I’m also going to take this time to call out Border Lands comics in Jacksonville, Fl. I walked in there asking for FF and they proceeded to inform me how the “comic shipping thing” works (As a reader of comics for 25 years I’m well acquainted with that concept). When I mentioned the press release from Marvel they told me “The press doesn’t read comics, so they don’t know anything.” I ain’t bitching about not getting my comic book. I’m cool with that. I just don’t like being looked at like I’m an idiot that doesn’t know how to read something. Saying that to a faceless mass makes me feel better. Thank you internet.

By: T-Bone

T-Bone — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:17:23 +0000

At last Marvel can charge $3.99 for this book, fantastic FOUR, indeed….fricken’ Quesadilla!

By: lovesmesomecomics

lovesmesomecomics — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:58:51 +0000

I don’t mind the death and couldn’t care less if he stays dead or comes back after a year in a probably #600. I like what Dan Slott has been doing in ASM and it seems pretty clear that Spidey will be joinging the FF, albeit temporarily. I think it’s a fun change of pace and enough to get me to read FF. Again, temporarily. I wouldn’t mind an ongoing, rotating 4th member of the team. I also wouldn’t mind an all new FF while the current team mourns behind the scenes.

By: Rod Lee

Rod Lee — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:58:40 +0000

“From what I’ve read of a review, all the media hype is spoiling a good read. Apparently it’s not as cheap a death as Superman’s was 20 years back.”

Nope it is even cheaper. Even after stealing the black bag Death of Superman idea.

By: Gwarshow

Gwarshow — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 21:49:23 +0000

If you think about it, in one of these massive epics, if someone doesn’t die it’s not very realistic. It would have been like having the Crisis On Infinite Earths with no deaths. Bucky was dead for how many years? And Barry Allen was dead for over 20! Just let the writers do their thing: entertain us. If you don’t like their stories or what they do with the character stop reading the book(s). Eventually everything rights itself again. And there is supposed to be another Annihilation story-maybe johnny plays a role there? Maybe that’s where he comes back? Maybe he and Star-Lord and Nova all come back then. Just in time for FF#600.