Comments on: Agent of S.T.Y.L.E.: International Appeal with Batman’s CLUB OF HEROES http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:46:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: roy http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-544622 roy Thu, 02 Dec 2010 04:19:37 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-544622 Hey Federiken, Thank you for bringing up a great point. In this age of immense amount of information readily available at your fingertips, no distiguished author can claim ignorance to certain cultures, political situations, and religious accuracies period. This is a smaller world we live in, getting certain aspects correct when creating stories for the masses should be a necessity not an option. This separates a true craftsman from a careless rookie. Attention to detail is key. And you sir have solid command of English, keep writing! Hey Federiken,
Thank you for bringing up a great point. In this age of immense amount of information readily available at your fingertips, no distiguished author can claim ignorance to certain cultures, political situations, and religious accuracies period. This is a smaller world we live in, getting certain aspects correct when creating stories for the masses should be a necessity not an option. This separates a true craftsman from a careless rookie. Attention to detail is key.
And you sir have solid command of English, keep writing!

]]> By: Federiken http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-531803 Federiken Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:42:35 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-531803 If I'm not mistaken, one of the first places Bruce is going to visit is Argentina, Isn´t it? If that's the case, I hope the setting will be a faithful representation of my country. I love Morrison´s writting and El Gaucho is a very generic but charismatic hero. But I'm afraid that the general unknowledge of Argentina can be a source of misinterpretations and it could result in a low faithful setting for El Gaucho and his adventures. His look is pretty interesting but it doesn't really say "Soy argentino", since he looks more like a Mexican mariachi with a mask and boleadoras than a true Gaucho. Maybe a more "Country meets Big City" touch would help in his look, but I don't really know what that could be (Not an Argentina soccer team shirt, that I can tell). Maybe its just me, but I believe the look is far away for being adequate for an Argentinian Hero. Another complete aspect would be the character ideology and modus operandi. For instance, I think his fights should be more "social equality" targeted than just "criminals beating", since in Argentina the biggest problems come more from the social-political situations and the economical debacles than the criminal rate (which is, anyway, pretty high). I know Mr. Morrison is a very sensitive and cult man, and I'm sure he will do his best, but I'm afraid that is not always enough. For example, in the Peter Milligan's excelent run on X-Force/X-Statix, there was a scene with a argentinian super heroine whose flashback story showed an Argentina very unrelated to the actual country, and both the references and the drawing failed in making a good representation of our true sceneries (and that taking into acount that Allred is one of my favorites american authors!). I hope this time the creative team will do the research (more in the line of Phil Jiménez in his Wonder Woman adventure in Argentina) and I'm sure it will be an excellent comic, just like the 99% of Batman stories that come from Morrison's mind. Sorry for my poor english and thank you, Alan, for your always interesting and entertaining articles. If I’m not mistaken, one of the first places Bruce is going to visit is Argentina, Isn´t it?
If that’s the case, I hope the setting will be a faithful representation of my country. I love Morrison´s writting and El Gaucho is a very generic but charismatic hero. But I’m afraid that the general unknowledge of Argentina can be a source of misinterpretations and it could result in a low faithful setting for El Gaucho and his adventures. His look is pretty interesting but it doesn’t really say “Soy argentino”, since he looks more like a Mexican mariachi with a mask and boleadoras than a true Gaucho. Maybe a more “Country meets Big City” touch would help in his look, but I don’t really know what that could be (Not an Argentina soccer team shirt, that I can tell). Maybe its just me, but I believe the look is far away for being adequate for an Argentinian Hero.
Another complete aspect would be the character ideology and modus operandi. For instance, I think his fights should be more “social equality” targeted than just “criminals beating”, since in Argentina the biggest problems come more from the social-political situations and the economical debacles than the criminal rate (which is, anyway, pretty high). I know Mr. Morrison is a very sensitive and cult man, and I’m sure he will do his best, but I’m afraid that is not always enough. For example, in the Peter Milligan’s excelent run on X-Force/X-Statix, there was a scene with a argentinian super heroine whose flashback story showed an Argentina very unrelated to the actual country, and both the references and the drawing failed in making a good representation of our true sceneries (and that taking into acount that Allred is one of my favorites american authors!). I hope this time the creative team will do the research (more in the line of Phil Jiménez in his Wonder Woman adventure in Argentina) and I’m sure it will be an excellent comic, just like the 99% of Batman stories that come from Morrison’s mind.

Sorry for my poor english and thank you, Alan, for your always interesting and entertaining articles.

]]> By: Androoo http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-531505 Androoo Tue, 09 Nov 2010 19:13:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-531505 Aside from that flashlight and those shoes, the Hood looked pretty cool. Only he and Knight look at all good, or like super heroes. Aside from that flashlight and those shoes, the Hood looked pretty cool. Only he and Knight look at all good, or like super heroes.

]]> By: BookWyrm http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-531003 BookWyrm Mon, 08 Nov 2010 14:13:06 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-531003 I'm waiting for free "Batman Inc." buttons to hit my FLCS (a classic bat-oval or bat-signal icon with a white "Inc." in the center). I’m waiting for free “Batman Inc.” buttons to hit my FLCS (a classic bat-oval or bat-signal icon with a white “Inc.” in the center).

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530917 Alan Kistler Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:35:48 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530917 DOMINIC: Keep in mind, that with the exception of the Knight and Squire (who are NEW to their roles and are not the originals), these guys were meant to be heroes who never rose above C-list characters, so having a couple of silly elements like an "EG" belt buckle makes sense. DOMINIC: Keep in mind, that with the exception of the Knight and Squire (who are NEW to their roles and are not the originals), these guys were meant to be heroes who never rose above C-list characters, so having a couple of silly elements like an “EG” belt buckle makes sense.

]]> By: Dominic http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530896 Dominic Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:56:19 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530896 El Gaucho's lapels definitely say 'bat' to me - very nice touch. Not sold on the font on his belt buckle though... El Gaucho’s lapels definitely say ‘bat’ to me – very nice touch. Not sold on the font on his belt buckle though…

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530874 Alan Kistler Mon, 08 Nov 2010 01:11:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530874 AKACHRIS: The helmet is similar and they both have capes and body suits, but the color scheme is totally different. I do think Prometheus could use a different helmet or mask now, since the Knight's works so well for him. GLENN WALKER: No, that villain with the robot horse has no connection to the Argentinian hero with a whip other than using the same name. JLAJRC: The Ultramarine Corps got pretty nicely dominated in JLA: CLASSIFIED #1-3. Vixen wasn't there, so obviously she left the team before that adventure. During the end of that arc, they journeyed to the infant universe of Qweq where there existed an Earth completely without superheroes (originally, Morrison intended it to be OUR Earth). We next saw the Knight and Squire in the pages of Batman, so obviously they either returned on their own or the entire Ultramarine Corps came back in an undisclosed adventure. The Ultramarine Corps had a presence during Final Crisis, but since Superbia fell during that story, the status of its other members such as Warmaker 1 and others is unknown. And Freedom Fighters is an interesting suggestion. Which reminds me, anyone not reading their current comic book series is cheating themselves. RUSS: There are definitely interesting similarities. AKACHRIS: The helmet is similar and they both have capes and body suits, but the color scheme is totally different. I do think Prometheus could use a different helmet or mask now, since the Knight’s works so well for him.

GLENN WALKER: No, that villain with the robot horse has no connection to the Argentinian hero with a whip other than using the same name.

JLAJRC: The Ultramarine Corps got pretty nicely dominated in JLA: CLASSIFIED #1-3. Vixen wasn’t there, so obviously she left the team before that adventure. During the end of that arc, they journeyed to the infant universe of Qweq where there existed an Earth completely without superheroes (originally, Morrison intended it to be OUR Earth). We next saw the Knight and Squire in the pages of Batman, so obviously they either returned on their own or the entire Ultramarine Corps came back in an undisclosed adventure. The Ultramarine Corps had a presence during Final Crisis, but since Superbia fell during that story, the status of its other members such as Warmaker 1 and others is unknown.

And Freedom Fighters is an interesting suggestion. Which reminds me, anyone not reading their current comic book series is cheating themselves.

RUSS: There are definitely interesting similarities.

]]> By: Russ http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530784 Russ Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:46:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530784 Anyone notice the Hood looks like a prototype for the latest Azrael? Anyone notice the Hood looks like a prototype for the latest Azrael?

]]> By: vetinari http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530783 vetinari Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:37:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530783 They look like the "Village People"... could we get Grant off the Bat-titles for a while because this is getting old fast? They look like the “Village People”… could we get Grant off the Bat-titles for a while because this is getting old fast?

]]> By: Joseph http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530729 Joseph Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:38:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530729 @woofus: I've got a feeling that even if the DC folks had checked a Spanish-English dictionary, they still would've gone with "Bat-Hombre". The Spanish for "bat" (as in the little flying mammal) is murciélago, and "murciélago-hombre" or a blended "murcielagombre" ("murciélagombre"?) would be a bit much of a mouthful. @woofus: I’ve got a feeling that even if the DC folks had checked a Spanish-English dictionary, they still would’ve gone with “Bat-Hombre”. The Spanish for “bat” (as in the little flying mammal) is murciélago, and “murciélago-hombre” or a blended “murcielagombre” (“murciélagombre”?) would be a bit much of a mouthful.

]]> By: Stephanie http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530458 Stephanie Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:36:01 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530458 Haha, yeah, they do look way similar. Haha, yeah, they do look way similar.

]]> By: JSo http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530406 JSo Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:54:25 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530406 @ akachris- I've been saying that for awhile and I'm shocked noone has really addressed this. Kinght and Prometheus are basically wearing the same costume! @ akachris- I’ve been saying that for awhile and I’m shocked noone has really addressed this. Kinght and Prometheus are basically wearing the same costume!

]]> By: JLAJRC http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530402 JLAJRC Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:38:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530402 I totally forgotten about the Ultramarine Corps. Whatever happened to them? I'm not a big fan of the Dark Ranger outfit. If you take away the accesories, he looks more like he was inspired by the Human Bomb. Speaking of the Human Bomb, since the Freedom Fighters now have their own series, I'd love to see you tackle them. I totally forgotten about the Ultramarine Corps. Whatever happened to them?

I’m not a big fan of the Dark Ranger outfit. If you take away the accesories, he looks more like he was inspired by the Human Bomb.

Speaking of the Human Bomb, since the Freedom Fighters now have their own series, I’d love to see you tackle them.

]]> By: skywatcher http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530295 skywatcher Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:38:09 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530295 You also failed to read all the replies, Argentino. The "Guacho" mistake had already been pointed out by Jman above! You also failed to read all the replies, Argentino. The “Guacho” mistake had already been pointed out by Jman above!

]]> By: Argentino http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530272 Argentino Sat, 06 Nov 2010 11:15:34 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530272 Spelling fail... I said bastrad, I meant bastard... LOL Spelling fail…
I said bastrad, I meant bastard…
LOL

]]> By: Argentino http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530271 Argentino Sat, 06 Nov 2010 11:14:26 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530271 You misspelled "Gaucho" as "Guacho". In Argentina "guacho" means something like bastrad... You misspelled “Gaucho” as “Guacho”.
In Argentina “guacho” means something like bastrad…

]]> By: Molnek http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530238 Molnek Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:02:55 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530238 I just like that the Dark Ranger looks like The Stig. I just like that the Dark Ranger looks like The Stig.

]]> By: akachris http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530226 akachris Sat, 06 Nov 2010 06:15:59 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530226 My biggest problem with the Knight costume is that he looked too much like Prometheus in both helmet style and costume colors. My biggest problem with the Knight costume is that he looked too much like Prometheus in both helmet style and costume colors.

]]> By: terry http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530114 terry Sat, 06 Nov 2010 00:12:07 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530114 this is an awful idea this is an awful idea

]]> By: Jman http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530111 Jman Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:58:52 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530111 In the title of he character subsection 'Gaucho' is misspelled. In Argentina 'Guacho' is an insult actually. In the title of he character subsection ‘Gaucho’ is misspelled. In Argentina ‘Guacho’ is an insult actually.

]]> By: Woofus http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530103 Woofus Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:21:00 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530103 Haha, that first panel looks like a NAMBLA meeting. Are those the heraldic arms of Knight? Or, crossed hammers proper? "Wingman." Huh huh. Maybe the fat Italian should have gotten this identity. Fortunately, the Sioux language is noun-adjective, otherwise "Raven Red" might get confused with a Marvel character. And "Bat-Hombre." What--nobody in the office could be bothered to look up how to say "Bat" in Spanish? Too bad DC didn't think of having an Afro-Batman with big lips and a bone through his nose. Haha, that first panel looks like a NAMBLA meeting.

Are those the heraldic arms of Knight? Or, crossed hammers proper?

“Wingman.” Huh huh. Maybe the fat Italian should have gotten this identity.

Fortunately, the Sioux language is noun-adjective, otherwise “Raven Red” might get confused with a Marvel character.

And “Bat-Hombre.” What–nobody in the office could be bothered to look up how to say “Bat” in Spanish?

Too bad DC didn’t think of having an Afro-Batman with big lips and a bone through his nose.

]]> By: Glenn Walker http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530102 Glenn Walker Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:14:12 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530102 Was the El Gaucho who appeared in the late 1970s with Wonder Woman the same El Gaucho who was a member of the Club of Heroes? Was the El Gaucho who appeared in the late 1970s with Wonder Woman the same El Gaucho who was a member of the Club of Heroes?

]]> By: Dude http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530097 Dude Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:49:16 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530097 The Musketeer's original outfit made him an almost dead ringer for the Batman foe the Cavalier. The Musketeer’s original outfit made him an almost dead ringer for the Batman foe the Cavalier.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530096 Alan Kistler Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:48:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530096 Thanks very much, it's appreciated. :-) Thanks very much, it’s appreciated. :-)

]]> By: Cæu http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/11/05/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-international-appeal-with-batmans-club-of-heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-530093 Cæu Fri, 05 Nov 2010 22:35:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=19740#comment-530093 This column always brings a smile to my face. And a return to my long boxes! This column always brings a smile to my face. And a return to my long boxes!

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