Comments on: Agent of S.T.Y.L.E.: The Fashionable World of Krypton http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Sun, 19 May 2013 11:18:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Foot Pain http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-765112 Foot Pain Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:13:46 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-765112 It maκеs а chаnge to fіnd dеcent cοntent for onсe, I аm gettіng ѕicκ of the continual drіvel Ι сοme асгoѕs daily, respect. It maκеs а chаnge to fіnd dеcent cοntent
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]]> By: Sweet Potato http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-525933 Sweet Potato Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:49:09 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-525933 The comics incorporating the "S" was a horrible idea. From what I understand it was in the movies because crazy Marlon Brando insisted it be incorporated. Marlon Brando, who was already well past known for being massively eccentric and difficult to work with. Marlon Brando who also insisted Jor-el would wear a Rolex (which Brando was known for) because he would "be a classy-guy". Dont get me wrong, I still love the movies, but then incorporating the "S" as Kryptonian symbolism just adds to the Hokiness that more or less is Superman (I just dont like the lack of limitations he has, or at least had when writers would just give him new powers to overcome an enemy. The golden age imaginings today just look tacky and dated, I actually like the Byrne stuff. But the newer ones are still interesting. This was a good, fun read tho. The comics incorporating the “S” was a horrible idea. From what I understand it was in the movies because crazy Marlon Brando insisted it be incorporated. Marlon Brando, who was already well past known for being massively eccentric and difficult to work with. Marlon Brando who also insisted Jor-el would wear a Rolex (which Brando was known for) because he would “be a classy-guy”. Dont get me wrong, I still love the movies, but then incorporating the “S” as Kryptonian symbolism just adds to the Hokiness that more or less is Superman (I just dont like the lack of limitations he has, or at least had when writers would just give him new powers to overcome an enemy. The golden age imaginings today just look tacky and dated, I actually like the Byrne stuff. But the newer ones are still interesting.

This was a good, fun read tho.

]]> By: Michael Heide http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-496530 Michael Heide Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:36:55 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-496530 > “Superman: Birthright” did not get the advertising it should > have gotten at the time and so some readers were not sure if > this was the new status quo or simply an alternate take on > things. A few years later, the mini-series “Superman: Secret > Origin” would replace it as the official story of Clark’s > origin and early days. However, since we’re talking about it, > I suggest you read “Birthright” if you haven’t already. It’s a > fun take on Superman and Krypton and I actually consider it a > companion piece to Grant Morrison’s critically acclaimed > “All-Star Superman” story. Seriously, if you look at the two > stories they work very nicely together and compliment each > other as a look at Superman’s life from beginning to end. I think it's worth mentioning that Waid and Morrison (along with Tom Peyer and Mark Millar) were THIS close to replace Dan Jurgens, Karl Kesel, Mark Schultz and Stuart Immonen writers back in '99. While I like the Loeb/Kelly run that we eventually got, I'd love to visit the library of the Endless just to see monthly Superman comics by Waid and Morrison. > “Superman: Birthright” did not get the advertising it should
> have gotten at the time and so some readers were not sure if
> this was the new status quo or simply an alternate take on
> things. A few years later, the mini-series “Superman: Secret
> Origin” would replace it as the official story of Clark’s
> origin and early days. However, since we’re talking about it,
> I suggest you read “Birthright” if you haven’t already. It’s a
> fun take on Superman and Krypton and I actually consider it a
> companion piece to Grant Morrison’s critically acclaimed
> “All-Star Superman” story. Seriously, if you look at the two
> stories they work very nicely together and compliment each
> other as a look at Superman’s life from beginning to end.

I think it’s worth mentioning that Waid and Morrison (along with Tom Peyer and Mark Millar) were THIS close to replace Dan Jurgens, Karl Kesel, Mark Schultz and Stuart Immonen writers back in ’99.
While I like the Loeb/Kelly run that we eventually got, I’d love to visit the library of the Endless just to see monthly Superman comics by Waid and Morrison.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-494248 Alan Kistler Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:52:02 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-494248 PABLO: That's what I said "in the comics." I'm aware they appeared in the Donner films and the TV shows, as I mentioned those in the article as appearing first. PABLO: That’s what I said “in the comics.” I’m aware they appeared in the Donner films and the TV shows, as I mentioned those in the article as appearing first.

]]> By: Kurosawa http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493519 Kurosawa Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:41:47 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493519 I'm with Martin Grey as far as which Krypton I like. The guild compromise is okay, although Jor-El to me will always be the classic Silver/Bronze Age version. I’m with Martin Grey as far as which Krypton I like. The guild compromise is okay, although Jor-El to me will always be the classic Silver/Bronze Age version.

]]> By: Pablo Gonzalez http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493503 Pablo Gonzalez Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:50:30 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493503 The Donner movie and the Lois and Clark series were long before Birthright and still had it The Donner movie and the Lois and Clark series were long before Birthright and still had it

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493443 Alan Kistler Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:34:11 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493443 JUKKA: Thanks very much. The idea of Martha and Clark using the materials from Superman's ship to make a costume came much later in the comics and even then it did not involve a Kryptonian symbol. As I explain in the article, until BIRTHRIGHT came out, the symbol was always said to be Clark and/or Jonathan Kent's design. JUKKA: Thanks very much. The idea of Martha and Clark using the materials from Superman’s ship to make a costume came much later in the comics and even then it did not involve a Kryptonian symbol. As I explain in the article, until BIRTHRIGHT came out, the symbol was always said to be Clark and/or Jonathan Kent’s design.

]]> By: Jukka http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493391 Jukka Tue, 01 Jun 2010 21:36:37 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493391 Great article. Though about Superman's outfit, and it being a reflection of his heritage from Krypton, or something like his father would have worn... I've always heard the story as Ma' Kent being the one who made the outfit for Clark, out of the materials in his space-ship. Thus the design of Superman's outfit would not necessarily have to reflect any Kryptonian designs or House of El, other than the colour-scheme and symbol. Great article.
Though about Superman’s outfit, and it being a reflection of his heritage from Krypton, or something like his father would have worn… I’ve always heard the story as Ma’ Kent being the one who made the outfit for Clark, out of the materials in his space-ship. Thus the design of Superman’s outfit would not necessarily have to reflect any Kryptonian designs or House of El, other than the colour-scheme and symbol.

]]> By: Ben http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493299 Ben Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:51:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493299 They wouldn't say "kryptonquakes" because what we're reading is a translation from Kryptonian. So maybe they did say something like kryptonquakes, but it would be translated as earthquakes. They wouldn’t say “kryptonquakes” because what we’re reading is a translation from Kryptonian. So maybe they did say something like kryptonquakes, but it would be translated as earthquakes.

]]> By: Martin Gray http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493125 Martin Gray Mon, 31 May 2010 08:36:56 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493125 Thanks so much Alan, your article is one of the best things I've read in ages. I've never seen that More Fun Comics story previously, love the Harleqinesque Jor-El, though MY Jor is the Silver Age chap with the yellow sun and headband. I hate the Donner look, it's so very dull, and looks even worse in the comics ... Jor-El as a beardie is just wrong (unless it's in More FuR Comics). Plus, the shield turning up on Marlon Brando smacked of branding, as if the audience couldn't be trusted to remember his link to Kal-El. The Byrne Krypton couture is nasty, everyone looks like playing card people from Alice on Wonderland, with Lara looking as if her head is growing from a clock. Thanks so much Alan, your article is one of the best things I’ve read in ages.

I’ve never seen that More Fun Comics story previously, love the Harleqinesque Jor-El, though MY Jor is the Silver Age chap with the yellow sun and headband. I hate the Donner look, it’s so very dull, and looks even worse in the comics … Jor-El as a beardie is just wrong (unless it’s in More FuR Comics).

Plus, the shield turning up on Marlon Brando smacked of branding, as if the audience couldn’t be trusted to remember his link to Kal-El.

The Byrne Krypton couture is nasty, everyone looks like playing card people from Alice on Wonderland, with Lara looking as if her head is growing from a clock.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493123 Alan Kistler Mon, 31 May 2010 06:48:37 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493123 DEREK JAGT: You speak of the island of Vathlo, which Grant Morrison referenced in FINAL CRISIS as the implied birthplace of the black Superman/President of the U.S. in a parallel universe. DEREK JAGT: You speak of the island of Vathlo, which Grant Morrison referenced in FINAL CRISIS as the implied birthplace of the black Superman/President of the U.S. in a parallel universe.

]]> By: Derek Jagt http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493111 Derek Jagt Mon, 31 May 2010 02:36:56 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493111 I'm not sure but in "Krypton Chronicles" has an island with black people in it? I’m not sure but in “Krypton Chronicles” has an island with black people in it?

]]> By: Kolymar http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493109 Kolymar Sun, 30 May 2010 23:33:19 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493109 You're welcome. You’re welcome.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493108 Alan Kistler Sun, 30 May 2010 22:51:12 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493108 MIKE NOVAK: Thanks very much. MARC LEVINE: The sequence you're talking about was published in More Fun Comics #101 in a Superboy story and was indeed released in 1945 (it was a January-February issue, specifically). No error. MIKE NOVAK: Thanks very much.

MARC LEVINE: The sequence you’re talking about was published in More Fun Comics #101 in a Superboy story and was indeed released in 1945 (it was a January-February issue, specifically). No error.

]]> By: Marc Levine http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493106 Marc Levine Sun, 30 May 2010 21:55:52 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493106 The article implies that the 1945 sequence (the first color one) was in a Superman comic, but I think this is an error. As near as I can tell, the first mention of Krypton was in Action 1, the 2nd in Superman 1, and the 3rd was not until 10 years later -- Superman 53 in 1949 (pictured above as the proto-classic Krypton). I know of no other mention of Jor-El or Krypton in comic book form prior to 1949. DC wanted to downplay Superman's alien origin, ironically, considering their current story-line. After 1949, Krypton is mentioned increasingly, leading to the introduction of Kryptonian villains in 1950, Krypto in 1955, Kandor in 1958, Supergirl in 1959, etc. The article implies that the 1945 sequence (the first color one) was in a Superman comic, but I think this is an error. As near as I can tell, the first mention of Krypton was in Action 1, the 2nd in Superman 1, and the 3rd was not until 10 years later — Superman 53 in 1949 (pictured above as the proto-classic Krypton). I know of no other mention of Jor-El or Krypton in comic book form prior to 1949. DC wanted to downplay Superman’s alien origin, ironically, considering their current story-line. After 1949, Krypton is mentioned increasingly, leading to the introduction of Kryptonian villains in 1950, Krypto in 1955, Kandor in 1958, Supergirl in 1959, etc.

]]> By: Mike Novak http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493096 Mike Novak Sun, 30 May 2010 18:20:49 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493096 Nicely done! Thoroughly researched and a true pleasure to read, Alan. Nicely done! Thoroughly researched and a true pleasure to read, Alan.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493081 Alan Kistler Sun, 30 May 2010 08:51:45 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493081 Woofus: Superman was allowed the freedom to choose his guild because his father was of the Science Guild but his mother was of the Labor Guild. This is doubly interesting when you realize that the Labor Guild on Krypton is treated as a group of glorified slaves and they are not given representation on the Council. So we can conclude that Jor-El was fairly open-minded and progressive and their marriage probably turned a few heads. Skyhawk: We're definitely talking over a few idea for LSH-centric pieces. Kolymar: Thanks much. Woofus: Superman was allowed the freedom to choose his guild because his father was of the Science Guild but his mother was of the Labor Guild. This is doubly interesting when you realize that the Labor Guild on Krypton is treated as a group of glorified slaves and they are not given representation on the Council. So we can conclude that Jor-El was fairly open-minded and progressive and their marriage probably turned a few heads.

Skyhawk: We’re definitely talking over a few idea for LSH-centric pieces.

Kolymar: Thanks much.

]]> By: Kolymar http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493079 Kolymar Sun, 30 May 2010 07:40:47 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493079 Quite a bit of research went into this one. Very nicely done. Quite a bit of research went into this one. Very nicely done.

]]> By: Skyhawk http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493075 Skyhawk Sun, 30 May 2010 04:04:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493075 Excellent piece. May I suggest one on the Legion of Super Heroes? Excellent piece. May I suggest one on the Legion of Super Heroes?

]]> By: Woofus http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493071 Woofus Sun, 30 May 2010 00:07:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493071 Vincent Bartilucci is right--the 1952 Jor-El costume comes from Buster Crabbe's Flash Gordon. I think the intent of these early ones was not so much to make us think "alien" but to make us think "science-fiction." The other major possibility was historical costume, especially suggestive of classical antiquity. After all, every generation sees itself in the history of Rome. Krypton is also a bit like Atlantis. I have often wondered how Superman came to be "socialized" as a Kryptonian. During the Silver Age he would utter things like "Great Rao!" (Hawkman and Wonder Woman would curse similarly, with their own traditional gods.) Since the Donner movies this is said to have been instilled in him using the "Mozart" method, i.e. tapes played for him as an infant in the escape rocket. But then, this takes away from the drama of letting him discover his alien heritage as a teenager. What caste does Superman belong to? Science, I suppose, assuming it's hereditary. Otherwise he must be their equivalent of a casteless untouchable. Vincent Bartilucci is right–the 1952 Jor-El costume comes from Buster Crabbe’s Flash Gordon.

I think the intent of these early ones was not so much to make us think “alien” but to make us think “science-fiction.” The other major possibility was historical costume, especially suggestive of classical antiquity. After all, every generation sees itself in the history of Rome. Krypton is also a bit like Atlantis.

I have often wondered how Superman came to be “socialized” as a Kryptonian. During the Silver Age he would utter things like “Great Rao!” (Hawkman and Wonder Woman would curse similarly, with their own traditional gods.) Since the Donner movies this is said to have been instilled in him using the “Mozart” method, i.e. tapes played for him as an infant in the escape rocket. But then, this takes away from the drama of letting him discover his alien heritage as a teenager.

What caste does Superman belong to? Science, I suppose, assuming it’s hereditary. Otherwise he must be their equivalent of a casteless untouchable.

]]> By: Alan Kistler http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493067 Alan Kistler Sat, 29 May 2010 20:43:57 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493067 Vinnie: Thanks, man! Superman Film Historian: Thanks, we've corrected it. :-) Ramzi K.: It was a fairly common idea that future people would wear capes, so I think it's more likely that the artists designing Krypton and the people behind Metropolis were both taking from the same common thought. Dominic: Thanks for the kind words. Vinnie: Thanks, man!

Superman Film Historian: Thanks, we’ve corrected it. :-)

Ramzi K.: It was a fairly common idea that future people would wear capes, so I think it’s more likely that the artists designing Krypton and the people behind Metropolis were both taking from the same common thought.

Dominic: Thanks for the kind words.

]]> By: Dominic http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493066 Dominic Sat, 29 May 2010 20:39:34 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493066 Superb article. I actually like the 'Krypton Man' outfit. Also seem to recall the Eradicator's outfit post the Death storyline was a mash up of Krypton style and Supes' outfit. Also at last I can see what bothered me about Birthright. I liked the take on the story but the outfits look generic to me. They could be any other world outfits. Superb article. I actually like the ‘Krypton Man’ outfit. Also seem to recall the Eradicator’s outfit post the Death storyline was a mash up of Krypton style and Supes’ outfit.

Also at last I can see what bothered me about Birthright. I liked the take on the story but the outfits look generic to me. They could be any other world outfits.

]]> By: Ramzi K. http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493061 Ramzi K. Sat, 29 May 2010 18:00:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493061 Wasn't the Kryptonian fashion also inspired by the citizens of the futuristic society of the 1927 German film "Metropolis"? I seem to recall them wearing capes. Wasn’t the Kryptonian fashion also inspired by the citizens of the futuristic society of the 1927 German film “Metropolis”? I seem to recall them wearing capes.

]]> By: Irvin K http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493052 Irvin K Sat, 29 May 2010 14:24:12 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493052 Who the heck walks around saying "terra"? Who the heck walks around saying “terra”?

]]> By: Ramzi K. http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493048 Ramzi K. Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:45 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493048 Great job, Alan. Well searched out. Makes me want to know what Superman's "history" will be 50 years from now. Great job, Alan. Well searched out. Makes me want to know what Superman’s “history” will be 50 years from now.

]]> By: Superman Film Historian http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493047 Superman Film Historian Sat, 29 May 2010 13:36:14 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493047 Great article, but the TV series starring George Reeves as Superman was not the first live-action version of Jor-El and the world of Krypton. The first live-action depiction of Superman's birthplace appeared in 1948, when "Superman," the first of two 15-chapter Columbia Pictures movie serials were released to theaters. Kirk Alyn portrayed Superman. That serial and its sequel--"Atom Man Vs. Superman" (1950)--are available on DVD from Warner Home Video. Great article, but the TV series starring George Reeves as Superman was not the first live-action version of Jor-El and the world of Krypton. The first live-action depiction of Superman’s birthplace appeared in 1948, when “Superman,” the first of two 15-chapter Columbia Pictures movie serials were released to theaters. Kirk Alyn portrayed Superman. That serial and its sequel–”Atom Man Vs. Superman” (1950)–are available on DVD from Warner Home Video.

]]> By: Michael D. http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493035 Michael D. Sat, 29 May 2010 06:30:01 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493035 Jeff-the panel in question is taken from the 1981 All-New Collector's Edition comic Superman and His Amazing Fortress of Solitude. Definitely worth a read. Jeff-the panel in question is taken from the 1981 All-New Collector’s Edition comic Superman and His Amazing Fortress of Solitude. Definitely worth a read.

]]> By: zram http://blog.newsarama.com/2010/05/28/agent-of-s-t-y-l-e-the-fashionable-world-of-krypton/comment-page-1/#comment-493031 zram Sat, 29 May 2010 05:21:08 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=15633#comment-493031 Wow... And I thought the X-Universe was complicated... Wow…

And I thought the X-Universe was complicated…

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