It’ll probably lead into the next event. “Avengers Assembled” or something like that is my guess. Playing off Avengers Disassmebled, of course.

Knowing Marvel, they will replace these four Avengers series with eight new Avengers series and 23 Avengers-related mini-series. And that’s just the next six months.

Wow, I’m surprised by this. I can’t imagine that an ‘Amazing Spider-man’ scenario would work as the teams are all different, though I guess New Avengers and Mighty Avengers have become pretty close to merging as of late. However, Avengers: The Initiative is unlike anything else out there – idiosyncratic, funny and so diverse – that it couldn’t possibly work in the above scenario. Damn, that’s one title I’ll miss.

I look for a hot mess. Marvel is the NBC of the comic book world, they both refuse to give the public what they want: simple entertainment….

doesn’t anybody remember the original siege trailer shown to comic book industry types at some trade show a few months back? The end of the trailer showed that statue of cap, iron man and thor that we’re all used to seeing, but under it it said something like 1963 – 2010. I think the shake-up is, there won’t be the big 3 anymore. At least not in the marvel universe proper.

They might retry a heroes reborn thing, or somehow take them off the board, and give them several months worth of stories where they have to relearn how to be the avengers while the rest of the MU picks up the slack. Granted, this is basically EXACTLY what New Avengers has been about for the past couple years, but still, that memorial statue had to mean something, right?

I’m glad to see Dark Avengers ending as it was always intended. Nice to see that regardless of sales it’s going away for the greater good of the Avengers. For me Mighty Avengers just never really worked and while I loved the attention/characterization given to Pym I cringed over the “Jonah” BS they’re with Vision and his cold/lifeless “romance” with Cassie (who doesn’t belong on this team, yet).

Avengers: The Initiative is my concern because I absolutely LOVE the attention/spotlight/characterization given to old B/C/D level characters like Diamondback, Ultra Girl, Taskmaster and newer characters like The Gauntlet. I’m sure Marvel has a plan but I think there’s value in this military/superhero training concept….Next Avengers?

I’m hoping to hear launches of:
Avengers
Avengers West Coast
Young Avengers (they NEED a monthly)
Earth’s Mightiest Heroes (the new version of The Initiative)

…and of course I would LOVE to see New Warriors launched with the original cast or as many as possible.

These will be released in 4 titles and retailers will be able to get a mini Cap Shield, mini Thor hammer, mini Iron Man helmet and Mini Hawkeye bow with the purchase of these titles. Then Marvel will ask that you rip off the covers of 50 of these to recieve a free Deadpool NFL Superpro variant.

Glad I quit reading Marvel

I like Chris comment about doing an Avengers book more than once a month. That has work well for Spidey, but I kinda doubt it. Too many characters. I’d imagine there will at least be 2/3 new monthly books with one shot and mini-series galore.

Please please please let these books be $2.99. I’m digging what’s going on and would love to read a bunch of Avengers titles, but won’t be able to read many if they’re too expensive.

I am surprised by this move. I figured there would be some pretty drastic changes, but this surpasses anything I had in mind. Marvel has never shyed away from big changes to their line or major titles since Quesada took over. I am excited to see where it goes. Hopefully Bendis and Slott stick around to write something.

@james halcomb.. I was actually surprised that NBC gave us Chuck to enjoy.. and they actually listened … but that can all change :/

I hope Triumph the Insult dog poops on NBC’g logo

I think restarting “Avengers” is a definite. I like the name “Secret Avengers” also, so I could also see that being part of a relaunch, perhaps a rebranding of Secret Warriors. I think I remember them saying they were bringing back an ongoing “Young Avengers” title as well, so there’s that. I’d imagine Thunderbolts will be tied into this as well, and a rebranding of the Initiative seems likely.

I think there’s going to have to be 2 teams of main Avengers still though. You figure Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Captain Marvel (Noh-Varr), Hawkeye/Ronin, Mockingbird would be the classic team, and then you’d have the guys left from New/Mighty/Dark Avengers as the other.

So when they come back the books will then be 6.99 of 20 pages? right? That’s basically the leap that happened last time they overhauled a franchise…

Who wants to bet that they are relaunched as a 3-times a month or weekly Avengers book, ala Amazing Spiderman?

Why not cancel these books? That just means Marvel can ship out 4 new #1s at $4.99 a pop.

We only need 3 Avenger titles…

THE AVENGERS: EARTH’S MIGHTEST HEROES, featuring Stever Rogers/Captain America, Thor, Tony Stark/Iron-Man, Bruce Banner/Hulk, Noh Vorr/Captain Marvel, Hercules, Clint Barton/Hawkeye, Mockingbird, The Vision, and Doctor Strange.

THE THUNDERBOLTS (Avenger’s black-ops team), featuring James Buchannan, Henry Pym/Wasp, War Machine, Ares, Black Widow, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Moon Knight, Tigra, and Quicksilver.

AVENGERS ACADAMY, featuring The Young Avengers and The Initiative members.

I just hope that Brian Micheal Bendis will keep writing them.

There is gonna be at least two Avengers titles, the Avengers with the big guns and Avengers Academy, the Secret Avengers thing is possible, but I’m not sure, and, don’t forget this people, there is no word about Thunderbolts, what’s is gonna happen to them? That I want to know.

Peace.

Last I remember, Bendis confirmed he was staying on Avengers. And this was on Wordballoon irrc. He’s also said he’s got big plans post Siege. I wonder how he can top all of his existing body of work on the Avengers?

I would expect Mighty, non-adjective, Academy, and Secret with, perhaps, various off shoots as minis featuring different aspects of the team. But, given the team’s popularity, there’s no reason to think that there won’t be at least two “mainstream” teams, plus the training team, plus an undercover team.
I would also hope/expect some of the “new” Avengers to stand side by side with the classic ones to give them more weight.

What the…?!? Is Marvel cancelling these titles, just to relaunch them as #1 issues?!?

Come on! Aren’t we done with all the 1990′s comic book scams already?!?

Just another reason why I’m glad that I’ve stopped buying Marvel titles ever since Dark Reign began!

rabble, rabble…. rabble rabble… joe q… .rabble… rabble… blackest night…. rabble rabble… Dc… Marvel…. rabble rabble…. rabbbbbblbblle… satus quo… duh… rabble…. rabble…angry, angry…. blah…. blah… blah… Brian Bendis… Blah blah… Geoff Johns, Geoff Johns… rabble… boring…. angry…. blah… blah..

A Summary of Comic-event Talkbacks.

perfect dropping off point

As long as Bendis and Immonen are doing one of the books I’m fine with all of this. I have been very well entertained by Marvel since the beginning of Civil War and thoroughly enjoyed the first issue of Siege. Immonen is doing some of the best work of his career on New Avengers.

I have a hard time seeing Marvel doing its readers a favor and scaling back but it would be cool if that’s what they have in mind. I like the avengers but hopfully this will save me some money now if only they could cut the hulk books down to one again.

Marvel is more likely to relaunch Avengers with a dozen new off shoots if the keep Bendis is writing one of them that will be the book I’ll buy

good day

James Halcomb Says:
January 16th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
“I look for a hot mess. Marvel is the NBC of the comic book world, they both refuse to give the public what they want: simple entertainment….”

what does this even mean? That post is the UPN of the Internet: it’s terrible.

the negative posts here are hilarious. Who CARES if they relaunch the books? fans will continue buying it, and the folks complaining about it seem to hate the books already. and if/when they change back to original numbering, they’ll complain about that too. Personally I couldn’t care less about the number on the cover. I’m more concerned with the stories inside. the issue becomes even more irrelevant if you read the trade.

Get the Avengers back to their original numbering and put in the line-up every one wants to see: Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Vision (the original, not the lame-o teen-age model), Scarlett Witch, Wonderman, Beast, Ms. Marvel, and alternates, Wasp and Yellowjacket!!! Put Spider-Man with his clones and Wolverine in his other 47 books and be done with it! Let’s see the Avengers go back to the great comic it used to be!!!
If you younger readers want to know what a great run of Avengers was like, check out Avengers, (original series), #158 through #202, the greatest Avengers writers ever, Jim Shooter & David Micheline and the greatest Avengers artist’ ever, George Perez and John Byrne. Do yourselves a favor and go buy the Marvel Essential editions featuring these writers and artist’. If not the best Avengers ever (in my opinion, the best), then some of the best Avengers comics ever!

Tony Stark brought the Avengers together and kept funding them all these years. Even if Stark gets all his marbles back, can he rebuilt Stark Enterprises and foot the tab for his super-hero clubhouse before IM2 is released?
Maybe we don’t see any Avengers for awhile. Maybe a series of mini’s with different team-ups – all along a theme that would crescendo with a major need for the kind of super power an Avengers can provide! (And maybe that theme is building right now in Secret Warriors)
And maybe the build-up to this Avengers re-launch coincides with Avengers movie release in ’12 – following IM2, the Thor movie and the Cap movie.

… and maybe Jason’s right that this is a good dropping off point.

“Yawn…”

I stopped reading New Avengers during Civil War because I realized they were putting forth overly large promises, some of which they would never pay off. It was called Civil War and then they act shocked when somebody dies. I think Marvel became more premise than actual story with that new era and that’s what turned me off the most, big concepts that they don’t have the ability to pay off. People seem to think that it will be back to the big three Avengers. Why would a Thor (in his bland new costume) want to work with the war-monger Tony Stark that created a mockery of his self while he was away? Why would Cap want to work with that guy who the guy he was so at odds with and got him killed… or didn’t get him killed. Obviously, I haven’t read Reborn.

I think Bendis is a good writer, just not at big event team books. Which is why I won’t read them, it’s still Bendis writing them. I see Norman OSborne is in the books for some reason and Spider-man (whomever he is now I can’t tell) isn’t. Why?

Ofcourse they will still be more than one Avengers books, aren’t they still selling well?

Get ready for 4 new Avengers #1 issues in May.

As cool as all of those books are, ‘Initiative’ will be well and truly done after Seige. It’s lasted a long time, considering it stemmed from ‘Civil War’. ‘Dark Avengers’ is an obvious title to stop printing when Osborne gets killed/imprisoned/whatever’d. I think there will still be two Avengers titles after this whole business, but the team line-ups may change. Maybe we’ll get an Avengers book, and also a Young Avengers book??? I hope so.

We all know Dark Avengers would end, all the characters will appear elsewhere again, just a fact.

Mighty and New will get a simple mix-up and renamed. But there will still be to team books.

The real bummer is Avengers: The Initiative being cancelled. It’s such a unique concept! There we saw a trainingcamp for new heroes, a great black-ops team for special missions (Shadow Initiative) and some of the 50 state teams every now and then. This was the book where you could find your favorite non-A-list characters on a regular basis. With it being canned, where the —- are wqe gonna see the state teams now? I am really disappointed guys!

I’m gutted to lose Mighty Avengers, but after all the Blackest Night/Siege#3 crap Quesada recently pulled, at least this gives me a nice jumping off point.

If they end all these books just to launch another Bendis Avengers, then they’ve lost a reader for good.

HOWEVER – If they launch a couple of ‘real’ Avengers books by Fraction and Slott, then I’m in.

Give Bendis an Alias relaunch, or a new Heroes for Hire team – he could actually work somethin like that.

lol…Send all your unsold copies of
New Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Dark Avengers
Avengers: The Initiative

to DC and they will be more than happy to flush them down the toilet.

What whining by you DC comic fans, I know that’s who’s doing most of the bitching and whining.If you don’t want to read the Avengers books or have a problem with it, here’s a suggestion…DON’T BUY IT!! It’s like DC has maybe 5 books that I read faithfully, but quite frankly, the rest are pure garbage in my opinion, but opinions are like assholes, everybody has one or is one! I like Blackest Night too, but is anyone kidding anyone to say it’s a direct response to the mega popular Marvel Zombie franchise? The way so many of you post your comments are like you’re so personally offended by Marvel moves of any kind! As a supporter of any and all good books (Chew from Image is the best, most original book out at the moment, so don’t think I’m just taking sides, as I said I like good books!!)just disregard anything that you are not interested in or don’t support,and your life and health and social life will work out much better!! BTW, I can’t stand Marvel’s policy of charging 3.99 for a 22 page comic either.Maybe if enough of us stop buying them we can send a message that the economy is in a down slope and this is not a good time to be raising prices on a comfort item like comics without increasing the page count.

I think I may be done with Marvel depending on what happens after Siege. I’m really sick of all this stuff Bendis is doing. Can we go one year without a mega-company crossover please? I mean DC has even gotten slightly better about pacing out their events

@Anthony Murray – Not sure if your bit was directed at me, but for the record it’s easy for people to say ‘don’t buy it’ but the real problem is that people WANT to read a decent Avengers book, they want to follow stories about those characters in-particular. They want to read about Cap, Thor and Iron Man – in one book – and Marvel know this, So they’ve been holding out on it for the past 5 years, perhaps worrying that once it’s done they will have blown their load? I dunno. But people want to read ‘that’ book – it’s been so damn long! They just don’t want it written by Bendis. There are so many brilliant writers at Marvel; Fraction, Slott, Brubaker, Diggle, Gage, Pak, Van Lente just to name a few… Why is it always Bendis?

What I personally can’t stand is how he gets “the keys to the kingdom” (zing) just because he can write post-modern ‘chatty’ dialogue…Which isn’t anything new or different anymore. Given, with Alias and Daredevil he basically started that whole thing, and that is the whole reason he’s where he’s at now. But the fact is he’s been resting on his laurels and has consistently produced the worst work of his career for the past two years.

All I’m suggesting to Marvel is – move him on! Any of the writers I mentioned before could helm a successful couple of Avengers titles, and not polarize fans as much as BMB does. He’s just old news, move him along to pastures new!

Last word on Young Avengers was Heinberg coming back for a YA mini called “Children’s Crusade” or something like that. A YA ongoing doesn’t seem to be in the cards anytime soon. Would members of YA show up in Avengers Academy? More than likely.

I only read the Initiative and hope to see it continue in some form. I am by no means a big fan of Bendis, and do not ready anything by him, with the exception of Siege. It’s pretty obvious why they give Bendis the keys to the kingdom, and I know allot of Bendis haters on this board will not like this, but he sells, thats that. It’s the same thing with reality television, people watch the Bachelor, Survivor, America’s Got Talent, etc. and so the networks produce them. Regardless if the work has any true artistic merit is secondary. People buy Bendis so they will give Bendis whatever he wants to write. The fact that people are on here complaining about something that hasn’t happend yet, nor do we actually know what Marvel has planned, creates a dialog on boards like this, now granted some of it isn’t dialogue, and would fall into the category of rants, but its a reaction nonetheless. I will definately try out the titles, and then I might be making a few rants of my own! But I will wait to see what is the end result before making snap judgements.

On a lighter note, these boards are entertaining to read.

“Marvel lost all credibility with me so here’s what I think they’ll do to make them sound bad. They’ll make a weekly title that ships 7 times a month (they’ll find a way) and charge them all 9.99 a piece. Then they’ll come to your house and rape your mother and set your DC comics on fire. Then Joe Q will slap you with his dick across your face.
That will fulfill the Dark Prophesies and the Apocalypse will begin. Gee, thanks a lot Marvel. What a douchey move.”

WTF!? Did you just say Marvel was going to rape my mother?! I can understand that some of you don’t like the way Marvel has been operating for the last few years (personally I think marvel comics are more fun than they’ve been since the 1980s) and that maybe you don’t approve of their business practices, but come on! Even for an obviously hyperbolic and fictional statement that is outrageous! That reminds me of the person the other day who posted that Marvel’s siege variant/DC comics return promotion was just like the holocaust. Get your act together people! Don’t you realize that when you post things like this you are not effectively protesting the things you dislike about comics, but instead belittling and marginalizing the importance of the very serious issues of rape and genocide! God some of you make my head spin sometimes.

I’m not surprised. With the big 3 coming back together, there really won’t be a need for multiple avengers teams. It will totally invalidate all of the dark reign/secret invasion changes, though. Ah well.

BTW I have NO desire to see Cap, Thor and Ironman together.

Whats up with no one caring about Echo DYING in Secret Invasion. No one even mentioned it!

dan slott better keep writing Pym + Jocasta + Hercules when this latest crap event is over…

I don’t care about dark and new avengers (as a matter of fact I hope when they relaunch them they replace bendis) but I hope the other 2 get relaunched.

How about a return to a single title with good stories? Return the Vision to his original self, this teen romance novel thing is silly.

Have not enjoyed The Avengers since Busiek and Perez left the series.

Seems like Marvel just puts out these New Avengers related crossovers and buries everything else. If you don’t like Bendis and his direction, I doubt you’d like the new stuff because it’s going to be the same guys behind it all. That’s why Spider-man doesn’t work, sure it sells well, but it’s a whole lot of nothing with a souless version of what the character was before the current Marvel regime. It’s the same guy(s) behind it all no matter who ‘writes’ the thing.

Begins with ‘Q’. Get me?

This just paves the way for Deadpool to become an Avenger!

Really. No left overs on Avengers? I visit 3 middle size comic shop on a monthly search of my comics and they are always there about three months back.
I wait for 50% off box.

Yay pointless relaunches and meaningless #1 issues, it’s like the 90s are back!@!!

Well, the obvious, it seems to me, is that there will be simply an Avengers book.

I would not be surprised by a resurrection of Avengers West Coast as a spillover Avengers book.

I’d also not be surprised by a Young/New/Training Avengers book, a street-level Avengers book, or an Avengers International book.

Maybe the plan is to take the characters in graphic novel only territory. Line that format release up with the upcoming Avengers movie and try to pull in the prose-only crowd into comics. That would be a bold move but let’s face it, number one issue haven’t meant anything in the long term for years/decades.

I’m looking forward to reading “Naughty Avengers” “Adventures of the Infinite Avengers Unlimited Forever” “Avengers: SVU” “Conan O’Brien and the Avengers” and “Sregneva: The Reverse Avengers”.

I was found Civil War while moving some boxes last night, read it and thought to myself ‘It just wasn’t me, this is really bad’
I wanted to read Spider-man, not the ‘magical unmasked Spider-man where nothing matters because we don’t Spider-man to be married.’ Which to this day is the worst thing I’ve ever seen in a superhero book. I’ll never read Spider-man again.

I just didn’t buy into these guys just fighting each other all of a sudden. Then caps some bizarre grunt that’s off to war and Tony’s some also war-mongering government official. I didn’t buy into any of it. Seeing as how this is comic books, that’s really saying something. I can’t say this sounds like anything I would want to read even after it’s over.

Joe, you are absolutely correct, it shows that you’re an authority on the subject. I admire someone that takes the pride you have and with your projecton of information. oSo when i actually do sit down to read material, I appreciate well written and organized blogs like this one. I have it bookmarked and will be back. Thanks.

Hello, just doing some browsing for my Diamondback site. Amazing the amount of information on the web. Wasn’t exactly what I was looking for, but interesting page. Have a nice day.

kinda get tired of it all to be honest. its just irratating. i am tired of trying these paid networks and getting nothing but spam. seriously. but i guess it runs with the territory, i wont be paying for a dating site though.