For the three cornerstones of the Avengers — Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor — it’s been a rough few years.
Steve Rogers found himself on the losing side of the superhero Civil War, ending with his untimely “demise.” Tony Stark split the Avengers by backing the Superhero Registration Act, only to find himself forced underground by Norman Osborn. And Thor, betrayed by his former colleagues in the Civil War, has recently been cast out of Asgard by the machinations of his half-sibling Loki.
But according to Previews, despite being battered and broken, there is some hope that the Avengers Trinity could be back in business. According to them, November’s issue of Wizard will have a Marcos Martin cover of the Avengers, with the following blurb:
o Avengers Assemble
We’ve waited and we’ve begged, but can we finally be close to seeing the classic trinity of Thor, Iron Man and Captain America back together again at the House of Ideas?
The fact that the question is even being asked is a good sign — if Marvel didn’t have something to say, would it make the magazine at all? The trio (and yes, I do consider Bucky Barnes to be Captain America, at least till Steve returns in full) last joined forces in the Secret Invasion, but before that, it’s surprising how long it’s been since the Trinity joined forces in the mainstream Marvel universe: they haven’t been together since 2003, several months before Avengers: Disassembled hit, cementing Brian Michael Bendis’ take on the top-selling Marvel characters. What say you on all this?
August 21st, 2009 at 10:28 am
Ironic that, aside from the brief meeting of the Trinity in Thor: Disassembled, the last guy to write the Thor/Tony/Steve trinity was Geoff Johns during his Avengers run.
I think it’s about time. I think it’s long overdue. The Marvel universe is probably in its worst state ever, and they need leadership. Thor has no interest in leading and Stark couldn’t lead androids to a picnic. But Steve is the only man that they would both follow to Hell and back (and I believe they have actually done so). Osborn better watch his ass, because when these three get together, and have their shit together, they are a force unstoppable (channelling a bit of Stan the Man there)
August 21st, 2009 at 10:39 am
I’d love to see it happen. The Marvel U. (and DCU) has gotten so dark in recent years. I miss the days when there were more *heroes* than anti-heroes and villains. I’d like to see some brighter comics, to be honest. I recently broke out the early Busiek/Perez issues of Avengers and was blown away by how good they were — and how full of hope and heroism they were.
August 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am
I won’t bash Bendis here, he has his place-but please, please let someone else write this. It’s been so Bendis for so long-I don’t buy any Avengers titles any more. Would love to have the “trinity” back
August 21st, 2009 at 10:47 am
I would love to see the big three back together. We might even get to see the return of THE AVENGERS as a title. If this happens, I’m buying three copies.
August 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
I just can’t wait to see that Marcos Martin Avengers cover! The fact that it might be wrapped around that kind of story is just icing on the cake.
August 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am
I hope the pillars of the Avengers reunite.
August 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am
Ir was Thor, Iron Man and BUCKY in Secret Invasion… NOT the same thing.
I know this is comics, and everything always comes full circle here, but in real life Steve would NEVER forgive Tony for the whole Civil War debacle.
August 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am
A swift star-spangled Steve Rogers kick – as well as perhaps a swing of Mjolnir too – to Tony’s crotch is really all I ask for in order to patch things up and make things right within Marvel’s Trinity again. ;D
August 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
Next big event will likely feature all three joining an Avengers team. Quesada’s scant details about it included (and, possibly, are limited to) the fact that its supposed to “finish” the big story that was started with Civil War, so this would be the best time to bring them in again.
When asked about it at…either HeroesCon or WW, they hinted about them all being on one team when it was time to take Osborn down, so who knows?
BTW: That Sean Chen Iron Man armor remains the best one to come out of the Post-Heroes Return era, even up to now.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
I’d love to see Thor, Cap, and Iron man back together on one team. I’m thinking that this whole Dark Reign has a finite length and that when all is said and done these three will be together at the end.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
Wow, I hadnt realised it was that long since they were all together! If its done well, I say great! Why not?
August 21st, 2009 at 11:03 am
I’d personally love to see them get back together. Secret Invasion doesn’t count since that was Bucky not Steve.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:03 am
Does Marvel even talk to Wizard any more? The most recent issue I read had nothing in it that hadn’t already been on the internet for months.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:05 am
I don’t think that any of the characters are ready for a reunion just yet. Steve isn’t even back yet and Tony doesn’t have any memories. Thor probably still has a lot of anger toward Tony to work through.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
Saw the title and wondered why Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman were joining the Avengers
August 21st, 2009 at 11:08 am
I hope this is true! Marvel has been hinting this a long time. i remember hearing Benis and Brubaker saying that it was no coincidence that Cap was coming back now. marvel also said that iron man was getting a new suit, and that thor would be playing a big role in the marvel u. after all these events, it sounds like things (maybe i’m being overly optimistic) are going to return to the way things were before. Even though i like Bendis and the New Avengers, i wonder if he’ll keep writing the books if this ends up happening.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:08 am
’bout time.
That is all.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:12 am
I say Avengers Assemble! For dollars!
August 21st, 2009 at 11:12 am
Big 3? Trinity? I don’t think Batman, Superman or Wonder Woman are joining the Avengers any time soon.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:15 am
It’s about time. The last few years have been tumultuous for our heroes. It’s time for the Big 3 to come back end put an end to all the bull$#it!
August 21st, 2009 at 11:16 am
Considering how it wasn’t Steve Rogers during Secret Invasion, I believe the actual last time the team was together was during Thor (Vol. 2) #81 (I believe that was the issue) where Thor tells Cap and Iron Man to go back to Earth and leave Asgard to him. With Dark Reign ending and the possibility of Mighty Avengers is coming to an end soon, is it possible that Mighty, Dark and New will all become one title (most likely continuing with the New numbering) and be headlined by the Trinity? God, I hope so. That’d be amazing… how much do you want to bet that the Trinity returns during the big Asgard crossover coming up?
August 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am
I actually don’t think this needs to happen at all. I’d rather see Bucky continue on as Cap, I’d rather see Thor’s stories centered around his new Asgard, and I don’t know if Tony Stark is quite ready to recover from World’s Most Wanted. There are plenty of stories already told about Cap, Iron Man and Thor together for those that want to read about them. Let’s keep the Marvel Universe moving forward!
(Keep in mind that as I say this I’m not even a fan of Bendis’ Avengers… I’m just not interested in more pointless returns to the status quo).
August 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am
it would be interesting to see the Big Marvel Three in action again, though i’m sure Tony’s actions (and subsequent memory loss) would be major story lines in the coming years should this actually happen.
i LOVE Dark Avengers, so i hope that series stays around with the regular Avengers title(s) just to get a different perspective.
AND no matter what anyone says, Busky kisks @$$ as Captain America. it didn’t matter to me that it wasn’t Steve in SI. Captain America. Iron Man. Thor. kicking Skrull @$$. plain and simple. that’s like saying the 1997 Justice League wasn’t the same because it was Wally and Kyle instead of Barry and Hal.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am
It just seems forced. Let the writers who develop these characters’ individual stories lead them in a direction that makes sense to where they’re at now. All three their solo books are putting out some of their best. I’d hate to see this sacrificed (as it already has been in JMS leaving Thor) for the sake of nostalgia.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:38 am
A reunion of the Avengers’ trinity would be fun, especially for Thor, who hasn’t been on the team since way back in the “Standoff” crossover during Jurgens’ run. Marcos Martin is a fantastic artist, too. Looking forward to seeing his take on Iron Man and Thor.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
I think if the question is being asked then I think the answer is pretty obvious to all of us. Its about time.
August 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
At one of the Cons a few months ago, someone asked pretty much this same question and went through some hints that this could be happening. i think it was Bendis who responded with, its almost like you’ve been looking at my laptop.
Its going to happen sooner than later, I’m guessing late spring/early summer next year. The big question is if its a one time reunion to defeat some baddy, like in Secret Invasion, or will they actually be back together in an ongoing book.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I’d love to have the trinity back…on the condition that they never be referred to as “the trinity” ever again. I hated it with the DC formulation that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are elevated to “default parental figures” based on not much more than their continuous publishing history. The Marvel “trinity” has even less of a pedigree, and any attempts to elevate Cap, Iron-Man, and Thor into a Marvel mini-pantheon just looks deriviative and comically reverential.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
“I know this is comics, and everything always comes full circle here, but in real life Steve would NEVER forgive Tony for the whole Civil War debacle.”
He basically did by the end of Civil War. That was why he conceded wasn’t it?
It doesn’t really matter anyway, with Tony currently wiping his brain, the “new” one can say he did’nt have any part of that stuff.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
It’s what I thought Bendis was going to do in the FCBD Avengers issue this year.
Felt like a big missed opportunity (especially alongside DC’s FCBD Blackest Night #0).
Personally, I want to see Bendis’ handle the reunion, and make it the culmination of his long-running new/Dark Avengers split arc. When the two titles hit their darkest, most contentious point, I want the Big Three to reunite, destroy the divisions, and restore a single “Avengers” team… and title!
One team, one book (OK, you can keep reading slott’s and gage’s if you want to, but they’re really something else now, Avengers in name only), under the Big Three.
August 21st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Of course they’re coming back. From a story perspective, Steve is the only person with credibility enough to take Osborn down. I’d like to see Steve’s costume tweaked. Make it closer to Ultimates or the costume Hitch is using in REBORN. It’s kind of Obvious that Hitch is trying to leave his mark on the character so they’ll use his designs in the film.
August 21st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Didn’t Bendis already say “Its as if everything is leading towards an Avengers reunion” when asked about the three getting back together?
August 21st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Alex B wrote:
“I know this is comics, and everything always comes full circle here, but in real life Steve would NEVER forgive Tony for the whole Civil War debacle.”
What? Steve “surrendered” at the end of Civil War when he saw that the people wanted the SRA and supported Iron Man in the Civil War. I seem to recall Cap getting tackled by a group of people when he was about to win.
I think they might be building towards the Big Three again, since Thor is on the cover of Iron Man # 20.
If they do get back together, with Bucky or Steve as Cap, it had better not be another bash Tony festival. I am so tired of that mantra.
August 21st, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I’d love to have them back too. As long as Bendis doesn’t write it.
August 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I appreciate the fact that Steve Rogers has such a devoted fan base, but he is not Captain America right now, Bucky Barnes is.
I miss Steve too but I am really enjoying Bucky as the new Captain America as well. I would really like to see how Bucky would affect the chemistry and dynamic of the “Big 3″.
August 21st, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I’d hate to see it happen. Never liked Thor at all. He’s a freakin’ deity! How relatable is that?
August 21st, 2009 at 3:05 pm
The darkness in the MU has been entertaining, but its time to see the big three back together again. Osborn is the perfect foil to bring these guys back together and make things right again.
August 21st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
it’ll happen with steve, tony and thor….
summer of 2012
August 21st, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Its been a long time but frankly there’s been so much crap thrown at us the past 5 years its almost worn me out. Will it be worth it? If Bendis is writing, some how I wouldn’t think so.
August 21st, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Cap, Thor, and Iron Man ARE the Avengers. What we’ve had for these past few years has been a poor charade that’s all about the $$$$$.
The New Avenger have gotten OLD. Like 5 years ago. Every stinkin’ issue looks like some gloomy, dank excursion into some purple-cloud infused wasteland that I don’t really want to spend my leisure time in.
Give me Avengers Assembled over Disassembled any day of the week. Give me Jarvis and Quinjets and the Mansion and Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and the Vision.
And for God’s sake, if you’re gonna have an X-Man on the team, make it The Beast!!!
August 21st, 2009 at 5:19 pm
While a reunion could be interesting, I don’t know if I want them all on the same team. There’s enough characters and space in the MU to have multiple books with multiple writers and styles/tones, so why not split them over the books appropriately?
August 21st, 2009 at 6:05 pm
I agree with everything Erad73 says.
It’s time for Bendis to go.
It’s time for clear, dynamic art with a solid basis in visual storytelling (everything in New Avengers is in medium close-up, it restricts the storytelling possibilities inherent in the medium).
It’s time for colours appropriate to a superhero comic (the colours on New Avengers range from “brown” to “browner”). Combined with the art, it’s all a big muddy mess that’s as hard to follow as a fight scene in a Michael Bay Transformers movie.
August 21st, 2009 at 6:13 pm
I am ready for them to return! I miss the days myself of Captain America, Thor, Iron-Man, bring back Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Wasp (Janet), Ant-Man (Hank), and Jarvis with The Avengers Mansion, and The Quinjets!! It is time for some brighter days to come again!! Avengers Assemble!!
August 21st, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Oh, it’s definitely happening. I naturally see it as the eventual next step in the story of the Marvel Universe. The way they’ve written the Dark Reign they’re going to need something big to overthrow HAMMER. Even with Norman’s meltdown, they’ll need something bigger than what’s been thrown at Osborn so far.
In the end, I can’t see anything logically ending Dark Reign other than the reunion of Rogers and Stark along with Thor. It would be the only thing that would have enough force, and get the PR that Norman has been manipulating. And if you want every hero in Marvel to rise up and follow somebody, who better than them.
August 21st, 2009 at 6:36 pm
“I’d hate to see it happen. Never liked Thor at all. He’s a freakin’ deity! How relatable is that?”
Uhh, we’re talking about Marvel comic book characters, right? I don’t think you’re really supposed to relate to their ORIGINS…I mean, I really can’t relate to being bit by a radioactive spider, taking super soldier serums, or turning into a raging green monster…
August 21st, 2009 at 7:27 pm
It would be a dumb move to leave the Avengers in their current state if a movie is coming. Cap, Iron-Man, Thor, Vision, Pym, and HAWKEYE, nothing but Clint Barton in a purple suit should be the core of The Avengers, no secrets, no dark, just The Avengers.
August 21st, 2009 at 7:54 pm
A little explanation, all people think that his last encounter was during the Geoff Johns run in Avengers but everybody forget that they became to find during Thor Dissambled writed by Oeming, they fought united against Loki and his forces in a epic battle.
The irony of all this is that the best fight of Big3 didn´t happen in your main Avenger tittle.
Hopefully they can make something as good as what Oeming did.
August 21st, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Unless I’m mistaken, the last time I saw Steve and Tony together was in the Civil War: The Confession one-shot, that was AFTER the Civil War surrender and there you could see Steve very VERY angry at Tony.
August 21st, 2009 at 9:03 pm
As I was reading all the comments on here, a few of the people wanted to see the big 3 come and beat norman. Well that isn’t right. Norman has plagued the three of them for their entire lives like a certain arachnid powered character. So if anyone was to defeat Norman it would have to be spidey, but having Cap, Iron Man, and Thor on his team wouldn’t be a bad idea at all. Throw in a little Ronin here and there and you have a dream team to get rid of norman. Plus I’m happy to see all these crossovers ending. I’ve been collecting comics since Avengers Disassembled, so I haven’t really seen the Marvel U in a time that wasn’t post shit hitting fan status. Should be enjoyable seeing some creators have some freedom to do certain story lines that they couldn’t do because of crossovers.
August 21st, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Trinity? Really? While the importance of those heroes to the MU can’t be denied to call them a “Trinity” (like Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman) is way off base.
August 22nd, 2009 at 12:45 am
Bendis is a great writer. His run on Daredevil was amazing, and I’ve been similarly impressed with some of his other efforts.
But.
He isn’t right for the Avengers. I’m tired of reading conversations between some of Marvel’s marquee characters involving one person talking (but never finishing their sentences) and the other repeating something they said two dialogue balloons ago. Get someone that can return us to the magic of the Busiek/Perez run, and for the love of pete, no more company wide crossovers.
“Give me Avengers Assembled over Disassembled any day of the week. Give me Jarvis and Quinjets and the Mansion and Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and the Vision.
And for God’s sake, if you’re gonna have an X-Man on the team, make it The Beast!!!”
This made me miss everything the Avengers used to be, and the stories we used to get.
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 am
I guess they have to bring them together to start the hype for the Thor, Captain America, Iron Man II & Avengers movies…
August 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 am
PLEASE…don’t let BENDIS write them.
Oh.. and I don’t consider them the “Big Three”. Heck.. Thor isn’t “Big” in the Marvel Universe. He’s in his own little pocket and has been for a while.
August 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 am
Quote:“Give me Avengers Assembled over Disassembled any day of the week. Give me Jarvis and Quinjets and the Mansion and Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and the Vision.”
Y’know, I’ve been collecting comics for a long time and this quote sums up alot more than just the Avengers malaise that currently keeps me from plunking down my coinage for their books.
I’m one of the Marvel “disenfranchised” who doesn’t recognize or relate to the current Marvel Universe anymore. For me, I think it might be traced all the way back to that whole “Heroes Reborn” debacle. Everything seemed to change, continuity seemed to be lost or discarded entirely. At least the continuity that *I* knew and grew up enjoying. At the time of Heroes Reborn, I was buying most of the Marvel superhero titles including The Avengers. Nowadays I buy only the Hulk title(and even that franchise is so convoluted now that it isn’t funny).
To me the Avengers will always be Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Wasp,Ant-Man(or Giant-Man),the Vison, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and of course, Hawkeye. Luke Cage? SpiderWoman? Wolverine?!! These aren’t THE Avengers. Wolverine will forever be identified with the X-Men. End of story. Stop putting him in every freakin’ book just to try and boost the sales. In his case less truly is more.
And a personal note to Marvel: Lose the darkness already. It’s played out. It’s passe and it isn’t entertaining anymore. In these tough economic times I think we need some uplifting, light action-packed stories the way the House of Ideas USED to do.
And on a sidenote: Whatever happened to word balloons on a comicbook cover? What happened to covers which are glossy splash pages of what lies inside and not just some dark portrait of the characters involved. But I digress…
Is it JUST nostalgia to want the “classic” Avengers back? No, absolutely not, but it does play a big part for me. I think it’s also partially the fact that the stories are ALL “dark” and “gritty” now and I’m tired of it. And while those types of stories have their niche, I don’t think Avengers is a fit for that style. I also think they need to get back to respecting the Avengers’ history and continuity. Quinjets…Avengers Mansion…
Jarvis…The Lethal Legion…The Zodiac…the Wonder Man/Vision back story… Nighthawk & The Squadron Sinister…Henry Peter Gyrich… Mantis…Ultron…Kang & the Masters of Evil. Great characters. Great history. Great stories.
All those reasons are possibilities for changing the current course of the Avengers franchise(and many other titles) and enticing me to come back to the Marvel fold.
But I think moreso for me these days it’s just a desparate wanting, nay NEED to see these great characters return to make the Avengers what they should rightfully be:
The World’s Mightiest Heroes.
August 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 am
It’s inevitable and will be great! When a fan mentioned these three teaming up again to put an end to Bendis’…ooops, I mean Osborn’s Dark Reign, both Fraction and Bendis sarcastically commented along the lines of “Wow, we didn’t think of that idea at all. So you’re saying that you think these three heavy hitters should all come back, together, to put an end to all this?!? Hmm, that’s an idea we had not considered AT ALL and didn’t even think of doing!” That being said, I would be surprised if that’s how Dark Reign truly ends. And if it does, it’s gonna make TONS of comic fans happy!
August 22nd, 2009 at 9:21 am
You throw that Trinity label around too liberally.
August 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 am
I hope the “Trinity” gets reunited the same way they were in SI. They meet up, fight some villains and old grudges are not forgotten for the sake of nostalgia. I find Dark Reign and Bendis’s Avengers to be far more interesting than anything I’ve read of Busieks run.
August 22nd, 2009 at 10:02 am
Having see the previews of the ‘Marvel Project’ we can see Cap ‘ costume a little modified and Thor holding Beta Ray’ hammer ( alongside a darker DD and Doctor Voodoo ).
The Big 3 reunited seems to me a too much setted-up event.
I’d have rather considered a next wave into the proeminent figures of the MU amorced with Bucky as Cap and Brother Voodoo as the new Sorcerer Supreme : War Machine as the only one armored, Beta Ray as the only hammer wielder, and save the Big 3 united for later…
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:47 am
First step started, now get rid of that silly Brand New Day stuff and put the MJ/Peter marriage back and Marvel will have me back.
August 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 am
I’m not really swung to far to either side, Marvel doesn’t float my boat like that n i prefer X-Men to the Avengers…buuut if it means i get to see Thor smash Sentry’s face in, Tony show Osborn how the armor is really used, and Cap (I honestly prefer Bucky at the momment, Steve earned his rest, but whoever has the shield) then i’ll check it out.
August 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
It makes me laugh every time people say Bendis isn’t a good Avengers writer… even though more people have been buying the book since he’s been on it than they have since the 80′s, when 150k sales were the norm.
Where do the 25,000 people who bought the book BEFORE Bendis got on it get off telling the 100,000 who’ve been buying it since that their opinions don’t matter?
People don’t like change. That’s all this is about. Logic, facts and numbers all point to the product being superior now than it was until Bendis got on the book. But people want to see the same characters they saw when they were kids.
Nostalgia. Not a better product. Certainly not a better team, or even a better team dynamic. Only nostalgia is fueling these “Bendis isn’t an Avengers writer” BS.
Sure, the XORN storyline sucked. I agree. And the “death of Tony Stark” when a female Ultron morphed out of him is something I have yet to understand after re-reading the arc 50 times. He screws up. He learns. And then he knocks it out of the park.
You think Busiek never dropped the ball on his Avengers run? Overall, I agree, it was one of the better ones — but there were still some real stinkers there, and they all begin with shoving Triathlon and Silverclaw down our throats. Or how about that Morgan Le Fey storyline with Avengers all dressed in medieval garb? That’s Chuck-Austen-level stink, from Busiek himself.
Think about it. Stop saying Bendis isn’t an Avengers writer just because it’s what everyone else is saying. And remember how bad some of your traditional Avengers stories have been.
And accept that 3 times the sales means 3 times more people enjoy this book now than they did when it was full of what YOU liked.
/AS
August 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
AS…really? Because sales truly gauge the quality of something
:::rolling eyes:::
I guess when Vanilla Ice was out in the early 90s he must have been one of the best rappers of all time, just because of sales.
You are being so damn disingenuous.
Would these fans be buying New Avengers if Spider Man and Wolverine weren’t on the team.
Would they if Bendis wasn’t writing??? In fact, I’ll go so far as to say if all the New Avengers issues were written by a different writer, but EVERYTHING, even the dialogue were exactly the same, fans wouldn’t buy it just because Bendis’ name wasn’t attached to it.
New Avengers sells only because the Spidey/Wolvie sales gimmick, Bendis’ name is on the cover and editorial forces its storylines to be the centerpiece of nearly every major Marvel event for 5 years.
NOT because it is any good.
And that is THE TRUTH.
August 22nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
…whatever team is involved, it had better include Cage, Spider-Woman and Spider-Man..
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
nostalgia is the absence of creativity
August 22nd, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I think having them back together would kick ass, but honestly I don’t want Steve in there. When he comes back (not IF) he will be given control over SHIELD/HAMMER because Bucky as Cap is just so bad ass. That way you get all three of them having gone through a change, Cap: New guy all together, Thor: Back from the dead, Ironman: Lost everything and still fighting.
August 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 pm
> Doc_doom Says:
> August 22nd, 2009 at 1:44 pm
> AS…really? Because sales truly gauge the quality
> of something :::rolling eyes:::
You know what the internet needs more of? Condescending sarcasm from people named after comic book super villains.
> I guess when Vanilla Ice was out in the early 90s
> he must have been one of the best rappers of all
> time, just because of sales.
Vanilla Ice sold for the same reason anything else in history ever did : people liked it. No one pointed a gun to anyone’s head to force them to buy millions of copies of Vanilla Ice’s album.
All of those people had the option to spend that $15 on one of the bands *YOU* like. They didn’t. They bought something else. Something you think is crap.
So it must therefore be crap, right?
> You are being so damn disingenuous.
Says the guy who believes anything he doesn’t like is crap, no matter how many millions of people disagree with him.
That’s not just disingenuous. That’s downright narcissistic.
> Would these fans be buying New Avengers if Spider Man
> and Wolverine weren’t on the team.
Spider-Man *has* been on the team, several times, for short arcs. Including a memorable one by John Byrne where Spidey, as an Avenger, joins the rest of the team on a cosmic mission against Nebula and the Stranger.
Those issues did not spike sales in any significant way. Clearly, simply having Spider-Man on the team isn’t going to make all that much of a difference in sales.
But you go on thinking simply having these guys on the team is the only thing that can account for the dramatic and consistent increase in sales the book has benefited from; all the while calling OTHER people disingenuous.
> Would they if Bendis wasn’t writing???
I just proved to you that they didn’t when Byrne tried it. And before you tell me that was just a short arc, I’ll remind you that New Avengers sold like hotcakes right out of the gate. It didn’t need several arcs to establish Spidey as an Avenger.
> In fact, I’ll go so far as to say if all the New Avengers
> issues were written by a different writer, but EVERYTHING,
> even the dialogue were exactly the same, fans wouldn’t buy
> it just because Bendis’ name wasn’t attached to it.
Because you are clearly an authority on what fans want, and feel you can speak on their behalf.
> New Avengers sells only because the Spidey/Wolvie sales
> gimmick, Bendis’ name is on the cover and editorial forces
> its storylines to be the centerpiece of nearly every major
> Marvel event for 5 years.
>
> NOT because it is any good.
>
> And that is THE TRUTH.
…so speaks Doc_Doom! *eye roll*
Whatever, kiddo. Don’t hurt yourself with that plastic mask, y’hear?
/AS
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 am
no, the last time they were all together was the other day at my house. i’m the coolest
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
I think we all saw this coming a mile away. No doubt this will be a part of the new event that dethrones Osborn.
August 23rd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
They should wait until Marvel’s 50th.
August 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Okay it’d be nice, but why should Steve or Thor get to be the white knights that return to save the day in a conflict they had no involvement in? Yes I want to see a resolution to this entire arc, but the heart of the team should be in the likes of Spider-man, Hawkeye, Hank Pym and Tony Stark… Hell you really need to put Robbie Baldwin in that mix aswell.
Thor just hasn’t been involved at all in this store and it seems such a cop out for him to be so critical to the success.
August 23rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
@Inanimate – That’s like saying that Superman shouldn’t have been instrumental to the end of FINAL CRISIS, becuase he spent the whole story off doing his own thing. He’s still Superman, in the same way that these three have historical significance to Marvel and the Marvel Universe that just can’t be ignored.
August 23rd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
The Avengers Movie comes out in 2 1/2 years, they have to have the trinity back in place in the comics when the movie comes out. “Dark Reign” better have two payoffs: the reunification of the Holy Avenger Trinity and the departure of Bendis. All that hype for “Secret Invasion” and that crap mini that should’ve been 4 issues instead of 8 made me drop Avengers until he is gone.
August 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
NO.
Cap and Thor should NEVER forgive Iron Man for the Civil War.
I’d like to see Cap and Thor assemble to beat the living shit out of that bitchass Tony Stark every time they see him!
August 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Maybe its a trick and we will get Beta-Ray Bill, War Machine and USAgent!
August 24th, 2009 at 7:08 am
No thanks to a return to the return of the old timey Avengers much less this cribbed “trinity” notion. It just does no good to Iron Man as he has always come off as the lesser of the pack when judged by the association. The thing Iron Man fans loved about Civil War was that Stark had gotten past the idol worship of the god and the living legend. This is just backwards retrenchment for all of the characters involved which again is the hand of editorial product management over the stories being driven by characters.
August 24th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Please also bring back the “real” Vision. He was one of their heavy hitters for a long time. Geez, I miss old Visz…
August 24th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I think it is time, but I would add a little twist with a nod to the past by adding Hank and the Hulk. Possibly Cassie as a new Wasp with Hank back as Ant Man. I’d take a second team with Bucky, Hawkeye, Cage, Ms. Marvel, Mockingbird, Spidey, Wolverine, and the new Down Powered Strange in a heartbeat, too.
August 24th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Wait, people buy Wizard still?
August 24th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Lets stack their logos on top of each other call it design an create a new Avengers book!
August 24th, 2009 at 11:53 am
It should be quite a long time before Thor or Steve go forgiving Tony for the state he’s put the country and its heroes in. Tony faked terrorist attacks to change legislation, jailed his friends, murdered Hogan. Would Cap forgive a Nazi? because it was the same fascist thinking behind Tony’s actions. And Thor, I’m not sure he has the propensity for full forgiveness.
Eventually it should happen, but only after they settle their score. I’d like to see a classic Avengers roster deny Tony entrance onto the team… better yet, he can be their Jarvis.
August 24th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I think the magic is gone, personally. You still have the same people working behind the scenes at Marvel and Civil War still happened. It sold a lot, but I thought it was very bad. These guys are supposed to be heroes, yet they seem to do more bad than good. With the exception of Thor, who was gone at the time, Steve was portrayed as an exagerated grunt and Tony was a big super villian.. or not. Why is it they never decide if Tony Stark and Reed Richards were bad guys. They’re just supposed to be heroes ‘becuase they’re supposed to be heroes.’ That hardly seems like good story telling at all. It’s been too much of ‘keep reading’ and ‘Oh, that doesn’t matter we’re not really doing that story’ for the past five years. It’s time for a change. Cap doesn’t seem that much better. These guys are heroes?
August 24th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
I loved every bit of the past five years. Marvel’s characters have never been so well-defined with distinct personalities. Civil War did an outstanding job of growing their personalities, showing their character flaws. It was the first time I felt them treated as individuals and not just bland stand-in characters.
And the villains especially. They turned the Thunderbolts concept into something really marketable and exciting. Before Civil War, T-bolts was the biggest cluster#$!%, and now not only have the heroes and villains been flipped upside down, but the so has the public perception of them. Suddenly the other 6 billion normal people on Marvel’s Earth take an active role in the story… That’s something I think was spurred on by DC’s similar political superhero take during Lex Luthor’s presidency.
August 25th, 2009 at 1:24 am
The Registration was fascism? What about secret heroes going about breaking the law whenever they want? Isn’t that something of a gestapo?
We don’t stand for police officers or judges to have secret identities. Why should we tolerate super heroes to have secret identities? Their villains will come after them? Just like police officers are hunted down by the criminals they arrest? Wait…that doesn’t happen in real life? There goes the defense of secret identities.
I don’t mind Cap, Iron Man, and Thor coming together again. They’ve been my top 3 characters, since I began reading comics 30 years ago. I just hope it doesn’t become a lovefest or a pound-on-Tony type of affair. Tony had good ideas which could have worked if Steve helped him. Steve could have been Tony’s moral center, but instead, he threw a hissy-fit and turned against his country and its citizens.
I think the Big 3 could really work together well, if they concentrate on their respective abilities to complement each other. Cap is their morality. Iron Man is their intelligence. Thor is their power. If they find a way to work together. I just hope there’s some tension there. Let’s not see Captain America always be right, as he’s been portrayed for decades. Let’s see Thor disagree with him at times. Let’s see some cracks in the perfection of Steve Rogers and make him human and interesting instead of infallible.
BTW, I don’t hate Bendis. I just think he needs help plotting. The entire run of New Avengers has been boring. Nothing much has happened. Except issue-after-issue of meetings with Spidey making annoying comments. Somebody would have told him to leave by now.
August 26th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Hey I’m all for the big three to return to the Avengers as long as they have a STRONG roster to go along with them (PEASE leave off the tired hawkeye/wanda/simon/carol danvers rotation!).. but a LOT of things have to change for it to be worth buying.
First.. a GOOD WRITER who KNOWS HIS (or HER) CHARACTERS and DOESNT HAVE A PERSONAL AGENDA.. an ARTIST who KNOWS HOW TO DRAW… an INKER who doesnt use a 3 foot by 4 foot brush to ink pages, and a COLORIST whose pallet contains more colors than just black, grey, brown and dark green.
As much as i despised the busiek/perez “era” (cant forgive kurt for making carol a raging lush.. i guess making a superhero an alcoholic is good characterization.. go figure) and have little respect for perez’s style (which hasnt changed in THIRTY PLUS YEARS!) their stuff was LIGHT YEARS ahead of the drivel thats being put out in comics these days!
December 26th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Don’t think the Trinity cuz Tom B. already said “No” it probably won’t happen although a lot of people think it will. That little piece of news has more or less floated under the radar. Seems a lot of people on many forums don’t know this going into Siege.
The funniest example is on Brian Michael Bendis’ own forums. The idiots think Tony, Steve and Thor are all coming together again. Which is obviously not the case if one of Marvel’s own highly ranking editors admits it.
I think a stupid but obvious twist (and what hasn’t Marvel done in the past 5 years or at all in its publications over the years) would be taking the surviving members of the HAMMER Dark Avengers from Osborn’s bunch (Daken, Bullseye, Moonstone, and possibly Venom) and along with some of the current T-Bolts like Ghost/Black Widow Yelena Belova/Paladin and making them the “New Avengers” team that is on the run from the Steve Rogers-led SHIELD.
The new Dark Avengers sponsored by SHIELD would then be a X-Force style kill crew under Rogers’ command. The current New Avengers lineup just trades place with them and are welcomed back by Rogers. Essentially this would be the same squad Nick Fury used during Secret War minus Daredevil who is leading the Hand and obviously Rogers who is now getting a desk job as Director of SHIELD. The addition of Black Widow Romanova and War Machine to replace any members who decide to leave and those possibly being Luke Cage and Spiderwoman.
Pretty sure Dark Avengers/X-Force idea has been talked about a billion times but just throwing that little bone out there as Siege begins and all the uninformed wild speculations swoon on various chart boards without any sort of real restraint.
December 27th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
When so many bought the Vanilla Ice album, it didn’t speak of the relative quality of the CD and people liking it. It spoke of people liking a few singles and buying the whole album in hopes that they’d like the rest (which, come to think of it, is like someone buying Avengers because a few of their favorite characters are in it).
In comic books, sales aren’t always an indicator of quality because the readers are a strange group. We’ll decry the lack of quality of a book all day and night and then buy the next issue. When asked why, we answer, “because I need to know what happens next”. We sometimes continue to buy books because we feel compelled to know what happens next to our favorite characters, whether we like it or not.