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Feel free to stop mentioning pedophilia in your Batman comics any time now, Paul Dini

June 25th, 2009
Author J. Caleb Mozzocco

I was pleasantly surprised by this week’s Gotham City Sirens #1, which featured a so-so but not awful story and fantastic artwork. This was by far my least favorite part, though:


That’s a portion of a panel near the end of the book, wherein a character named “The Broker,” an evil real estate agent with evil customers, is leaving the book’s protagonists in the abandoned cat shelter he just sold them, and is apparently talking to classic Batman villain Jervis “The Mad Hatter” Tetch (In the previous panel he answers his cell phone with a, “Hell-oo, Jervis! I’ve lined up something very special for you.”

Note that last bit, “best of all, just down the street from an all-girls academy.”

The implication being, of course, that The Mad Hatter isn’t just a crazy, colorful criminal obsessed with stealing various hats for his hat collection, and/or obsessed with Lewis Carrol’s Alice books, and/or a mad scientist who has perfected mind control through super-science hats. No, he’s also an honest-to-goodness pedophile.

This element of The Mad Hatter isn’t original to Dini, and certainly wasn’t present in the script for the “Mad as a Hatter” episode of Batman: The Animated Series that Dini wrote back in 1992.

According to my bookshelf and longboxes, the implication that the Mad Hatter was a pedophile or child molester first arose Grant Morrison and Dave McKean’s 1989 original graphic novel, Arkham Asylum, although I think it’s safe to say that the events and characterizations of that book haven’t always carried over directly into later versions of the characters, and whether or not it is considered “in continuity” or not could probably be debated.

The only other example of this characterization of the Hatter that I can find among my comics is Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale’s 1994 Legends of the Dark Knight special, Batman: Madness. In that, Batman is frantically hunting for the villain, while narrating to himself that on Halloween, “Children should be allowed to dress up as spooks and fairies an collect candy…without having to worry about being poisoned…molested…or worse…”

Ultimately, there’s never anything more than an implication regarding the Hatter preying on children though. The Hatter rescues young Barbara Gordon from two knife-wielding would-be rapists, the dialogue points out that she changes into an Alice costume for him herself, and the missing runaways Batman is looking for aren’t being raped and murdered, but are apparently living with the Hatter semi-voluntarily.

Dini’s off-handed comment doesn’t have any of that sort of subtlety or ambiguity, and man, I’d never thought I’d find myself using Loeb as an example of the more subtle of two writers (The Loeb and Dini of the early ‘90s are obviously different writers of the Loeb an Dini of late aughts though).

I’m not terribly shocked and offended that Dini wrote this line, or that editor Mike Marts left it in, nor am I suggesting that pedophilia and child-rape is something that Batman comics should never, ever, ever address or deal with (although a persuasive argument could be made on that front, and it’s probably not the best place to do it).

But it is not, in this first issue at least, presented as a necessary part of the story, it’s just a tossed-off joke line uttered by a minor character as he walks off-panel, perhaps never to return. That is, it doesn’t have to be there the way it would if it were the subject of the story—so why put it there in the first place? Why have readers dwell on such a repulsive crime (even if only briefly) if you don’t have to? (It doesn’t necessarily paint our protagonists, at least two of whom are sometimes crimefighters, in a very good light either, as they ignore the comment entirely).

Am I making too big a deal out of a single dialogue bubble of a single panel? Probably. But the thing is, this single dialogue bubble comes just seven days after the same writer’s Batman: Streets of Gotham #1, which also featured a scene referring to child-rape.

A tiny girl wearing a lot of make up and some very tiny clothes is standing blank-expressioned next to a pimp, who’s talking her up to an old man sitting in the back of a limousine. We hear her thoughts, as she psyches herself up: “Look away, don’t be scared. If your’ not scared, Clay won’t hit you again. Don’t scream, Katy. It’s not you. You’re not even here. You’re just a shell” and so on.

A big guy comes along and asks her how old she is, and when she says 18, he scoffs, “I’d say ten, twelve tops.” When her pimp tries to scare the interloper away, he breaks the pimp’s arm, and then punches the man that was just trying to buy Katy with some sort of brass-knuckles that leave the word “Abuse” branded in a bruise on the pedophile’s head.

In this instance, Dini’s obviously going somewhere with this. The mysterious stranger will surely appear again later in future issues, and probably come into conflict with Batman over the morals of vigilantism. So unlike the example in Gotham City Sirens, Dini brought up an ugly, ugly topic for some sort of reason.

Of course, there is a problem with bringing it up at all, which Tucker Stone brought up in his review of the issue over at The Factual Opinion:

Apparently Paul Dini is worried you aren’t paying enough attention to him, beyond saying “oh the cartoon fella, the one who works with that Dustin Nguyen guy.” His solution is to go for skeeving it out as much as possible…

The nice thing about it, and by nice, read disgusting, is that Dini does such a fine job of presenting a tiny tot rape victim that one can’t help but think “hey, save her now, sure, but she’s clearly been raped multiple times before, where was Batman then, pardon my weeping.” While it’s true that this is the sort of depravity that the aging Bat-reader apparently demands—not just costumed supervilliains, but abused little girl rape victims—that doesn’t make it any more tolerable, especially when the story’s climax reveals that the little girl probably was incinerated by the Firefly.

The problem with adding real-world crimes like child prostitution and rape into the DC Universe is that it really breaks the universe, even if only temporarily, and makes the superheroes look like complete monsters. No one in the world should get raped in a world with Superman in it, and even if he’s picky about which sex crimes he chooses to stop, certainly Superman wouldn’t allow child prostitution, would he? (Do DCU pimps keep their child prostitutes in lead-lined dungeons, so Superman can’t see them or something?)

If Batman can’t stop every crime in Gotham City himself, even with the help of Robin, Nightwing, Batwoman, The Outsiders, The Birds of Prey and the 15,000 or so super-pals who all pitched in during Battle for the Cowl, maybe he could at least prioritize the child prostitution rings, instead of taking a year off to recharge his batteries after Infinite Crisis?

I understand that Dini is trying to tell his idea of a grittier, darker and more mature story, but it’s a very 1989 sort of idea of the way to tell grittier, darker, more mature stories in super hero comics (Arkham Asylum is now 20 years old; Andrew Vachss’ prose novel about Batman fighting child sex tourism, The Ultimate Evil, is now 14 years old). And if the thought was that it would be more realistic to show child prostitutes working in Gotham City, well, Dini needs to work a lot harder on his scripts if “realism” was what he was going for, as the police letting a woman who knocked out a jewelry store owner and through a police officer through a window walk simply because someone burned down the police station, well damn, no wonder Gotham has so many criminals—it’s the softest city on crime in the world.

Hopefully these two books coming out back-to-back like this and both including a particularly skeevy moment is just a coincidence, and a quirk of the schedule, and not the first two points of an emerging pattern.

Because, call me old-fashioned, but I like to read Batman comics to watch him fight and beat crime, and, if there are compelling comics to be told about child abuse, then I’d rather read about it in a comic book that doesn’t involve a guy dressed like a bat fighting a a villain named Firefly who is causing citizens to burst into flames via bug-shaped microchips.

 
33 Responses to “Feel free to stop mentioning pedophilia in your Batman comics any time now, Paul Dini”
  1. Cisco Kid Says:

    I think the real world horrific crimes enhance a title like Gotham City Sirens and Streets of Gotham.

    In Streets, there need to be super villains and horrors that can be avenged by the average person. Global threats and robots don’t work in such a book. But taking down a child prostitution ring feels just as good to a real cop.

    With Sirens, it adds something different – darker bad guys. After all, the title characters are three villains. How do you keep them battling other villains without turning them into heroes? Darker more vile villains. It works in Secret Six and it works here.

    Obviously you have to suspend disbelief that Superman isn’t out there taking care of these things, but that’s how comics work. Taken on their own, Dini’s Gotham is a place I would read about for as long as he is allowed to write it.

  2. Alexa Says:

    Can I point people to this whenever they tell us fangirls to stop whining about rape in superhero comics? Because this applies just as much to adults as it does children.

    I once got into an argument with a guy about rape of female superheroes, and what it basically came down to in my mind is “Superheroines should be rape-proof for the same reason Superman is bullet-proof; because if Ms. Marvel can be raped, what the hell kind of chance do I have?”

    If little girls are sold into sexual slavery in a world with a Batman, what the hell is the point?

  3. RavenProject Says:

    I guess I walked away from the Broker scene with a much different interpretation than you had.

    The Broker, based on his brief introduction, specializes in finding “schtick” locations for costumed criminals. Catwoman gets an animal shelter, Ivy would get a greenhouse, Joker gets an amusement park… this is a guy who’s all about the trappings of the characters. So when it comes to the Mad Hatter, of course you’re going to put him somewhere he can watch out for “Alice.”

    It struck me as a silly, throwaway comment. Yes, it definitely had a prurient touch to it. But to me, that said more about the Broker than it did about Jervis Tetch.

    -J

  4. Brian Knippenberg Says:

    Frank Miller also introduced the character of Holly as an under-aged prostitute in Batman: Year One.

  5. Josh Says:

    Isn’t Gotham City supposed to be a giant cess pool of crime? So wouldn’t child prostitution be right up there?

    And as far as the Superman comment goes: Superman can’t be everywhere and I’m sure stuff like this isn’t as big of an issue in Metropolis.

    And Alexa, it’s not like the heroes (Batman et. al) aren’t trying to prevent things like this but they have to deal with all types of crime and supercrime. Cut them some slack.

  6. Mr Wesley Says:

    Alexa, the whole point of Batman is that he’s the boy with his finger in the dam, just barely able to keep evil from completely overtaking his city. He’s never been able to combat the rampant corruption in the GCPD, which has been an element of the Batman mythos for as long as I can remember, which is pre-Crisis. He’s only able to handle the worst of the worst. Prostitution, drug-trafficking, and all that–that kind of darkness is necessary in Gotham’s character.

    If this is just a one-off line, and we don’t know that it isn’t leading to a larger story down the line, I don’t know that I would necessarily go to pedophilia first. I havn’t read Sirens yet, but as far as that single panel goes, there’s nothing inherently pedophilic about that line. It’s in “Storybook Park,” and I recall at least story where Tetch was experimenting on children because they were easier to control.

    If I had seen the panel in the proper context, I probably would have thought, “He’s the Mad Hatter. He’s probably looking for an Alice.”

    But I agree with your main point. Even in this age of “realism” in comics (and why in the world anyone would want realism in stories about a millionaire who dresses like a bat and beats up psychotic clowns), there are still lines that probably shouldn’t be crossed–at least not with any regularity.

  7. Matthew Smith Says:

    I thought the same thing as RavenProject. Pedophilia never crossed my mind.

  8. Vinnie Bartilucci Says:

    Yeah, totally reading too much into that line, there.

    But considering the Reverend Dogdson’s own predilictions, it would be historically accurate.

  9. Mr. Two Cents Says:

    Hello Mozzocco,

    First I want to say that I’ve read your article and I see where you are coming from. I can understand that reading a comic book and finding pedophilia, child-rape and other similar crimes in their pages can be very disturbing to some readers.

    However, I wouldn’t want Dini to censor himself, especially if he has good reasons and points behind it. I’m sure someone as gifted as Dini will have good reasons for his uses of these crimes in the Batbooks. I’m worried that if we start pressuring our writers to censor themselves that we’ll be back to the comic code days. Where would we draw the line? When Johns wrote recently of Superman’s trauma dealing with the death of his dad, it was very touching, but the subject is a hard one. From what I understand, Johns’ sister was killed tragically, maybe this is his way of demonstrating how he grieved and able to move on. Maybe Dini has a message as well.

    May I recommend that you try reading different Batbooks? I think it is great that there are a lot of books out there by different writers. Perhaps you may find something there that is more to your liking.

  10. Irwin Schwab Says:

    Why is anyone surprised by misogyny in a DC Comic? It’s been the corporate MO for years at this point.

  11. Joe G. Says:

    It was only a reference to child molestation because you chose to interpret it that way. I read nothing of the sort into it until reading this blog – I only thought Dini was referring to Hatter’s Alice in Wonderland obsession, nothing more or less.

  12. Michael Hoskin Says:

    The Mad Hatter as pedophile came up in Robin: Year One too. I didn’t even flinch at Dini’s line, I take it for granted that the Mad Hatter is a pedophile.

  13. allen Says:

    you can’t have it both ways. you can’t have a dark, dangerous city and have every crime prevented by every crime fighter. what kind of batman would have been created in a city WITHOUT pedophilia? what kind of superman would exist WITHOUT victimization? they wouldn’t.

    the thing that makes superheroes such a powerful storytelling tool is that, despite all the wonder and ridiculousness, there are reflections of our fallibility in there, too.

    children are raped and murdered. human beings, men and women, rape and murder children. it’s part of the reason our world feels so ugly. but it’s also part of the reason that hope and heroism resonates. fictionally or otherwise.

    (i’d suggest leaving off the television. there may be pedophiles on the local news.)

  14. Ravager Says:

    is like superman said to superman-earth2 on IC
    a perfect world would not need a superman

    and DCU is far the perfect world
    it has alien invasions
    hell trying to come to earth
    a band of manazons attacking the UN while the amazons attack Washington
    secret sects of villains dressed like snakes trying to provoke the apocalypse, not mentioning the brother blood sect and the bible of crime sect
    + super villains and evil geniuses trying to take ver the world

    and you expect that the problems like child molestation, slave sex traffic, drugs, etc,etc,etc doesnt

    ok now im not gonna say that it should be done but i can be portrayed on a much better(maybe discrete) way than this

  15. Mr Wesley Says:

    @Ambush Bug:
    What does misogyny have to do with pedophilia?

    @Allen:
    I can guaran-damn-tee you there is at least one pedophile in the news right now, but we don’t have to worry about him anymore.

  16. Rudy Ascott Says:

    While I don’t think any subject should be taboo, I would like to point out that very few comic book writers can tackle the subjects of rape and pedophilia and incest in a way that doesn’t seem sort of juvenile.

    Does anyone want Winick to write about pedophiles in the DCU? I hope not.

  17. Ian Says:

    Is the author really complaining about real-life crimes? Murders happen in every single Batman comic published and, in my opinion, are an even worse crime than rape. Where’s the outrage?
    Poison Ivy is often portrayed as a serial rapist who uses her powers to force unwitting victims into situations they wouldn’t otherwise be in. How is this less atrocious than the idea that an insane man with an identity plucked from a story about a little blonde girl might be interested in little blonde girls?
    People go on and on about how they want their superheroes to act more human, to be more relateable and realistic. I guess this doesn’t extend to their immediate surroundings, however.

  18. Mr Wesley Says:

    @Ian:
    Totally see what you’re saying. But even in violent crime, there are lines. In prison, if other inmates find out that you’re a pedophile, you have essentially have to be placed in solitary, because otherwise, you’d be dead. I’m guessing this is because so many inmates were molested themselves. (This may turn out to be urban legend, but I’ve heard it from reputable shows).

    Logically, murder should be the worse crime, but realistically more people find child molestation morally repugnant. Probably because of the loss of innocence in represents. I know that if pedophilia became a recognized characteristic of the Joker, I probably wouldn’t pick up another Joker story ever.

    As far as super-hero comics are concerned, I guess what I’m saying is that we want villains who are EEVILE, but who still have standards. Even with the Joker, who’s basically the living embodiment of chaos, it’s difficult to imagine as a pedophile.

  19. Matthew M Says:

    Won’t someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN?????

  20. Tom Says:

    Oh, Jesus Christ, lighten up, Nancy. Seriously.

    Why are you so surprised? Since the comics industry has decided to build its flagging fortunes on the backs of sullen teenagers instead of little kids, you should expect this sort of thing.

  21. Douglas Says:

    Yeah, I think Mozzocco read too much into it and thought, “hey! I just came up with an idea for a controversial blog entry to justify my blogging efforts”.

    So a Bat title goes into “Law & Order SVU” territory. Don’t like it? There are plenty of other Bat titles. Maybe the conversation sets up a future story. I think it was an interesting intro to “The Broker”.

    Dini gave us that excellent “War on Crime” over-sized Batman story with Alex Ross. I will buy any Bat story written by Dini.

    Thanks for the historical refs that alluded to Hatter possibly being a pedo in Bat:Madness and AAsylum. But, the rest? Way too long for a whole lot of nothing. Edit, edit, edit.

  22. ephraim Says:

    it’s one thing to not like a book. don’t read it anymore. that’s cool.

    it’s something else entirely to argue that a writer should not write about a topic, regardless of context.

    stop it, just stop it. all of you.

  23. Mr Wesley Says:

    Tom, dude, I thought I was going to be able to let that comment slide, but I can’t.

    Sullen teenagers? Seriously? The super-hero comics industry ISN’T built sullen, bitter middle-agers who desperately want to recapture their youth?

  24. Dave Says:

    I think Dini’s basically realized that his biggest fanbase is the /co/ board at 4chan, so he’s throwing in as much pedophilia as possible to appeal to them even more.

    That or he’s just decided that the best way to spice up the pedestrian Batman stories he comes up with is to include a shitload of “edgy” sexual content and innuendo. It worked for Simone on Secret Six, why shouldn’t it work for him too?

  25. Christian Says:

    The “the DC Universe is far from perfect; it’s filled with problems such as child molestation, sex trafficking, drugs, and secret sects of villains dressed like snakes trying to provoke the apocalypse” comment is the best thing I’ve read all day.

  26. Shawn Kane Says:

    I agree with RavenProject. I read it as kitsch and a guy finding gimmick hideouts for bad guys. I don’t think that Dini is that dark. At least not so dark while telling stories about a place that is the cesspool that Gotham City is supposed to be. I guess its in the interpretation.

  27. Alexa Says:

    @ephraim-

    I’m not saying that there is absolutely NO context in which a story about rape or pedophilia could be appropriate, but so often rape/pedophilia is used as shorthand for “Yeah, this guy is JUST. THAT. DEPRAVED. Aren’t I edgy! :D ?” It just reads as lazy storytelling with very little real appreciation for the realities of these all-too-common tragedies. So I’d just as much rather people not write about them.

    @Matthew M-

    Ladies and gentleman, I give you the poster definition of the logical fallacy known as reductio ad absurdum.

    Seriously man, I know it’s much easier to treat everyone who raises the idea of some level of storytelling decorum as the second coming of Wertham, but it doesn’t really contribute to either side of the debate.

  28. Shawn Kane Says:

    It might also be that Mr. Mozzocco’s interpretation is based on the fact that he really didn’t care for the comic. I know that when I don’t like an issue of something I’ve read, I tend to pick apart the issue to the nth detail.

  29. Maddy Says:

    What makes the aside in SIRENS even worse, is that I can’t see Catwoman, of all people, letting something like that slide. Even if she is a semi-criminal, and is shacking up with Ivy and Harley, it doesn’t make sense to have her in the same room as that comment, so to speak.

    If she heard the comment, then I can’t see her doing business with a guy who would help Hatter be in a better position to molest young girls (I could see her robbing him blind, though), let alone not *doing* anything about Hatter. If she didn’t hear it, then it kind of makes her look stupid.

  30. Matthew M Says:

    Alexa,

    This isn’t a debate, it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Why not whip out gay marriage or flag-burning next? Use your head.

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