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	<title>Comments on: Line-By-Line: Trade Waiting vs. Spoiler Culture</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-2/#comment-465840</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I typically just typically avoid reading most articals on Newsarama.</description>
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		<title>By: ruru</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is one of the reasons why online pirating of comics and downloadable scans have actually helped the comics industry.  I can read all the comics I want and still wait for the trades without missing a beat.  I can also sample new writers before I buy.  That way I don&#039;t have buyers regret after I get whatever character series/mini I buy based on the character/artist/writer.  I can get a better idea of what I want.  Smarter shopping = a more satisfied customer.

As a kid I remember being all hardcore about issues and hated trades.  I liked comics, and preferred the single issues - I grew up on them -- getting the trades was reserved for issues that were just too expensive to afford.  Now I am 31 and I have my own home with more room for book shelves [not to mention a better job].  I prefer trades and HC&#039;s so that they are also on display for the passerby.  It makes me happy that someone can walk by and see some of my reading interests or just things I think are kick-ass.  Also, I would not stop buying - I could download every single comic released and I would still want to buy them.  I will read Y the last man four or five times and I do prefer the satisfaction of owning it and having it in my hand.  I love some of these stories that much.  There are plenty of times I read something from a writer I have never heard of and all of a sudden I need to own it.  I like that feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is one of the reasons why online pirating of comics and downloadable scans have actually helped the comics industry.  I can read all the comics I want and still wait for the trades without missing a beat.  I can also sample new writers before I buy.  That way I don&#8217;t have buyers regret after I get whatever character series/mini I buy based on the character/artist/writer.  I can get a better idea of what I want.  Smarter shopping = a more satisfied customer.</p>
<p>As a kid I remember being all hardcore about issues and hated trades.  I liked comics, and preferred the single issues &#8211; I grew up on them &#8212; getting the trades was reserved for issues that were just too expensive to afford.  Now I am 31 and I have my own home with more room for book shelves [not to mention a better job].  I prefer trades and HC&#8217;s so that they are also on display for the passerby.  It makes me happy that someone can walk by and see some of my reading interests or just things I think are kick-ass.  Also, I would not stop buying &#8211; I could download every single comic released and I would still want to buy them.  I will read Y the last man four or five times and I do prefer the satisfaction of owning it and having it in my hand.  I love some of these stories that much.  There are plenty of times I read something from a writer I have never heard of and all of a sudden I need to own it.  I like that feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: hpops</title>
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		<dc:creator>hpops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I exclusively trade wait and find that event comics are pretty much destroyed by spoilers, Secret Invasion as a trade had virtually no impact after knowing the Cabal reveal. I&#039;d imagine the same will be true of Final Crisis when the trade finally drops.
Most of the Vertigo/Kirkman ones I follow read a million times better in trades and can be spoiler free considerably easier. Spoilers are a part of trade-waiting, if you can&#039;t stand it, buy the floppies (if you can spend $4 for every title!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I exclusively trade wait and find that event comics are pretty much destroyed by spoilers, Secret Invasion as a trade had virtually no impact after knowing the Cabal reveal. I&#8217;d imagine the same will be true of Final Crisis when the trade finally drops.<br />
Most of the Vertigo/Kirkman ones I follow read a million times better in trades and can be spoiler free considerably easier. Spoilers are a part of trade-waiting, if you can&#8217;t stand it, buy the floppies (if you can spend $4 for every title!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mario di Giacomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario di Giacomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I figure it, any story that hinges on being surprised by a sudden twist of events probably isn&#039;t worth getting in a permamnent form.  If I buy  trade, it&#039;s because I want to re-read it at some point, and the second time, I&#039;ll be spoiled about the ending anyway. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Dan B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of my monthlies are superhero books, which are the ones most likely spoiled in threads. My trade-waits are usually the Vertigos which don&#039;t get discussed as often, and it&#039;s easy to just avoid reading about things.

However, sometimes I&#039;ll read threads with spoilers simply to see if it&#039;s a title worth picking up in trade -- including and maybe especially for books I used to collect monthly but then moved to my trade wait list. For example, I used to collect Avengers, but then when it divided into two books, I decided I didn&#039;t want to get them monthly. So, I would just read what was going on in those books in spoiler discussion threads, and honestly I haven&#039;t bought an Avengers trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of my monthlies are superhero books, which are the ones most likely spoiled in threads. My trade-waits are usually the Vertigos which don&#8217;t get discussed as often, and it&#8217;s easy to just avoid reading about things.</p>
<p>However, sometimes I&#8217;ll read threads with spoilers simply to see if it&#8217;s a title worth picking up in trade &#8212; including and maybe especially for books I used to collect monthly but then moved to my trade wait list. For example, I used to collect Avengers, but then when it divided into two books, I decided I didn&#8217;t want to get them monthly. So, I would just read what was going on in those books in spoiler discussion threads, and honestly I haven&#8217;t bought an Avengers trade.</p>
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		<title>By: marvel_sucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvel_sucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think knowing and reading are totally different. If all a comic has going for it is some kind of surprise then it doesn&#039;t have much going for it at all. It needs to be an enjoyable read regardless of surprises. Also, I tend to buy trades of books that aren&#039;t tied in to any other larger universes, i.e. pretty much every superhero book, so I don&#039;t really have a problem with trades getting &quot;spoiled&quot; anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think knowing and reading are totally different. If all a comic has going for it is some kind of surprise then it doesn&#8217;t have much going for it at all. It needs to be an enjoyable read regardless of surprises. Also, I tend to buy trades of books that aren&#8217;t tied in to any other larger universes, i.e. pretty much every superhero book, so I don&#8217;t really have a problem with trades getting &#8220;spoiled&#8221; anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: shags</title>
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		<dc:creator>shags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of my decisions about for waiting for a trade are based on whether or not a series is based around any sort of continuity. I get most big DC books and the major event minis in single issues, but then usually hold off on random minis and smaller titles for a trade collection. I stopped getting the single issue Vertigo books all together since those come out collected like clockwork.</description>
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		<title>By: websnap</title>
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		<dc:creator>websnap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with T Scott and james (to a degree) The bulk of my &quot;first time&quot; reading comes from torrents to avoid spoilers but I buy the trades of the arcs that resonate with me and I do buy individual issues for sentimental reasons. For instance, I bought the first issues of Battle for the Cowl and Batman &amp; Robin but won&#039;t buy the subsequent issues because I WANT to buy the trades and not pay for the same story twice. I read and reread them all the time and usually have one with me (right now R.I.P. is in my bag to read a third time). In my case, the Downloads keep me interested enough to buy the trades when they get released. I didn&#039;t buy all of Final Crisis (other than the issue Batman died in) but I have the trade reserved at my LCS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with T Scott and james (to a degree) The bulk of my &#8220;first time&#8221; reading comes from torrents to avoid spoilers but I buy the trades of the arcs that resonate with me and I do buy individual issues for sentimental reasons. For instance, I bought the first issues of Battle for the Cowl and Batman &amp; Robin but won&#8217;t buy the subsequent issues because I WANT to buy the trades and not pay for the same story twice. I read and reread them all the time and usually have one with me (right now R.I.P. is in my bag to read a third time). In my case, the Downloads keep me interested enough to buy the trades when they get released. I didn&#8217;t buy all of Final Crisis (other than the issue Batman died in) but I have the trade reserved at my LCS.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465666</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankfully, it seems to have become a reflex for people to thow out a warning when revealing spoilers.  Sometimes I listen, sometimes I don&#039;t, but it&#039;s a level of courtesy I appreciate in the fan community.

As for waiting for trades, it depends on the book.  Example: Fables, I read only in trades and avoid all solicits and spoilers.  Green Lantern I buy in singles every month and bind them.  The Avengers books I generally only get AFTER I hear a spoiler, and that&#039;s what hooks me to buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankfully, it seems to have become a reflex for people to thow out a warning when revealing spoilers.  Sometimes I listen, sometimes I don&#8217;t, but it&#8217;s a level of courtesy I appreciate in the fan community.</p>
<p>As for waiting for trades, it depends on the book.  Example: Fables, I read only in trades and avoid all solicits and spoilers.  Green Lantern I buy in singles every month and bind them.  The Avengers books I generally only get AFTER I hear a spoiler, and that&#8217;s what hooks me to buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cisco Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cisco Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waiting for the trade gives an advantage over the monthlies - DC/Marvel SELECTIVE CONTINUITY!

If I hear spoilers about a storyline that I&#039;m interested in, I get the trade.  Take Superman: Brainiac for example.  It was everywhere that Jonathan Kent dies in that arc.  Hypothetically, if I don&#039;t want that event in my own personal &quot;Cisco Kid&quot; continuity, I skip that trade.

As another example, I avoid Dark Reign because in my own continuity, Norman Osbourne is still dead.  Thus, I don&#039;t have to worry about buying any Marvel trades for quite a while.  I&#039;m still able to enjoy Brubaker&#039;s Captain America in trades.

I try to avoid spoilers for self contained stories and universes like the DMZ, Walking Dead, Ex Machina, and Invincible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waiting for the trade gives an advantage over the monthlies &#8211; DC/Marvel SELECTIVE CONTINUITY!</p>
<p>If I hear spoilers about a storyline that I&#8217;m interested in, I get the trade.  Take Superman: Brainiac for example.  It was everywhere that Jonathan Kent dies in that arc.  Hypothetically, if I don&#8217;t want that event in my own personal &#8220;Cisco Kid&#8221; continuity, I skip that trade.</p>
<p>As another example, I avoid Dark Reign because in my own continuity, Norman Osbourne is still dead.  Thus, I don&#8217;t have to worry about buying any Marvel trades for quite a while.  I&#8217;m still able to enjoy Brubaker&#8217;s Captain America in trades.</p>
<p>I try to avoid spoilers for self contained stories and universes like the DMZ, Walking Dead, Ex Machina, and Invincible.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spoilers used to bother me much more than they do now. Shocking developments are great and all, but there must be more to a story than that. Knowing that Captain America is (still) dead shouldn&#039;t affect whether or not I enjoy the story. If it does, then perhaps I&#039;m not in this for the right reasons.

And yet there are some stories that I set apart from all the others--stories that absolutely must not be spoiled. Stories like Y: The Last Man or Harry Potter. So I suppose there is a special quality added when you don&#039;t know how it will turn out. But the examples of Y: The Last Man and Harry Potter are different, because those stories *end*. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and the X-Men will go on forever, so those kinds of spoilers tend to have less of an effect on my enjoyment of the story.

It&#039;s the difference between having the end of a *story* spoiled and having the end of a *chapter* spoiled. And if a story never ends, then what exactly is being spoiled anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spoilers used to bother me much more than they do now. Shocking developments are great and all, but there must be more to a story than that. Knowing that Captain America is (still) dead shouldn&#8217;t affect whether or not I enjoy the story. If it does, then perhaps I&#8217;m not in this for the right reasons.</p>
<p>And yet there are some stories that I set apart from all the others&#8211;stories that absolutely must not be spoiled. Stories like Y: The Last Man or Harry Potter. So I suppose there is a special quality added when you don&#8217;t know how it will turn out. But the examples of Y: The Last Man and Harry Potter are different, because those stories *end*. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and the X-Men will go on forever, so those kinds of spoilers tend to have less of an effect on my enjoyment of the story.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the difference between having the end of a *story* spoiled and having the end of a *chapter* spoiled. And if a story never ends, then what exactly is being spoiled anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: The Zug</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465651</link>
		<dc:creator>The Zug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fleeting thrill of a spoiler isn&#039;t worth $3.99. If you all you care about are spoilers, then you might as well not bother buying, because you can find out everything online faster than you can make it to the comic store.

Sure, real surprises are nice, and I do miss my pre-Internet days as a kid when I could walk into a drugstore and pick up an issue with no clue about what was happening inside. But the story should be what carries the book, what makes it worth buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fleeting thrill of a spoiler isn&#8217;t worth $3.99. If you all you care about are spoilers, then you might as well not bother buying, because you can find out everything online faster than you can make it to the comic store.</p>
<p>Sure, real surprises are nice, and I do miss my pre-Internet days as a kid when I could walk into a drugstore and pick up an issue with no clue about what was happening inside. But the story should be what carries the book, what makes it worth buying.</p>
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		<title>By: T Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a big 3rd element being missed in this question is downloading the torrents. The subject seems to be taboo and no one but James mentioned it, but I know this to be a highly used means to read the comics to avoid spoilers and avoid paying high prices at the LCS.

When my paycheck permitted, I used to spend $50 - $60 bucks a week on comics every Wednesday. 2 kids and a recession later, I started downloading the torrents under the guise that if I liked a title I would buy it later or in trades. Guess what, neither happened. After I read the book, what was the point of buying.

I don&#039;t mean this to be a post on whether downloading is right or wrong. I believe it is wrong, but I do it anyway. I did the same with music before &quot;digital music&quot; and Itunes became the way to listen to music.

My point is the current business model is broken. If I can download a book for free or pay close to $5.00 for something I am only going to read once, what do you think is going to get chosen. It isn&#039;t about morals, markets are not driven on morals, they are driven on price, and free beats $5.00 everyday.

Sooner or later this will need to be addressed. Downloads affect a large portion of comic readers&#039; buying decisions. Just as much as monthlies and trades. A discussion about the last 2 is not complete without including the 3rd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a big 3rd element being missed in this question is downloading the torrents. The subject seems to be taboo and no one but James mentioned it, but I know this to be a highly used means to read the comics to avoid spoilers and avoid paying high prices at the LCS.</p>
<p>When my paycheck permitted, I used to spend $50 &#8211; $60 bucks a week on comics every Wednesday. 2 kids and a recession later, I started downloading the torrents under the guise that if I liked a title I would buy it later or in trades. Guess what, neither happened. After I read the book, what was the point of buying.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean this to be a post on whether downloading is right or wrong. I believe it is wrong, but I do it anyway. I did the same with music before &#8220;digital music&#8221; and Itunes became the way to listen to music.</p>
<p>My point is the current business model is broken. If I can download a book for free or pay close to $5.00 for something I am only going to read once, what do you think is going to get chosen. It isn&#8217;t about morals, markets are not driven on morals, they are driven on price, and free beats $5.00 everyday.</p>
<p>Sooner or later this will need to be addressed. Downloads affect a large portion of comic readers&#8217; buying decisions. Just as much as monthlies and trades. A discussion about the last 2 is not complete without including the 3rd</p>
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		<title>By: Statham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Statham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I trade-wait but often read spoilers and check out places like Scans Daily or whatever, because they don&#039;t really replicate the same feeling as actually reading the material for yourself. If someone hates, say, Morrison&#039;s Batman and has put a few pages up to slag it off, it doesn&#039;t give you the same experience as reading it for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trade-wait but often read spoilers and check out places like Scans Daily or whatever, because they don&#8217;t really replicate the same feeling as actually reading the material for yourself. If someone hates, say, Morrison&#8217;s Batman and has put a few pages up to slag it off, it doesn&#8217;t give you the same experience as reading it for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fine with spoilers, and have accepted its part of the trade waiting thing. For instance, I am just now reading the Bubaker Captain America. Knowing from the beginning that Captain America will be killed by the end of the book, and that Bucky is running around as a Russian agent haven&#039;t lessened by enjoyment of the first 15 issues I&#039;ve read so far. In fact, being able to pick out the clues about Bucky in the early issues of the series has been pretty enjoyable. Brubaker did a great job building suspense for the story, and knowing the outcome of the plot doesn&#039;t lessen that.  

In another example, no 2 people seemed to agree about what was happening in Final Crisis, so I figure there will be plenty of surprises there when I finally get to read it this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fine with spoilers, and have accepted its part of the trade waiting thing. For instance, I am just now reading the Bubaker Captain America. Knowing from the beginning that Captain America will be killed by the end of the book, and that Bucky is running around as a Russian agent haven&#8217;t lessened by enjoyment of the first 15 issues I&#8217;ve read so far. In fact, being able to pick out the clues about Bucky in the early issues of the series has been pretty enjoyable. Brubaker did a great job building suspense for the story, and knowing the outcome of the plot doesn&#8217;t lessen that.  </p>
<p>In another example, no 2 people seemed to agree about what was happening in Final Crisis, so I figure there will be plenty of surprises there when I finally get to read it this week.</p>
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		<title>By: bob martens</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465645</link>
		<dc:creator>bob martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only trade i ever waited for was The Walking Dead. I could never wait till it came out to know what happened, so i would always go to wikipedia or robert kirkman&#039;s forum and read all about what was going on till i could buy it. Now i dont have to wait for the trades because now i have a local comic shop to get each issue every month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only trade i ever waited for was The Walking Dead. I could never wait till it came out to know what happened, so i would always go to wikipedia or robert kirkman&#8217;s forum and read all about what was going on till i could buy it. Now i dont have to wait for the trades because now i have a local comic shop to get each issue every month.</p>
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		<title>By: mr.andy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465636</link>
		<dc:creator>mr.andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate spoilers. I have to pick up my book on a monthly basis, and I don&#039;t buy trades.

Knowing to which conclusion a book leads before reading it, is a major dissapointment to me, especially when it&#039;s not a back issue. Knowing what happens in a back issue doesn&#039;t annoy me, these books are more for background information, a history lesson if you like.

I also dislike to detailed reviews of movies I like to see. In last couple of years reviews seem to describe the whole movie. I don&#039;t want to imagine, what watching From Dusk till Dawn for the first time would be like, knowing beforehand, it would mutate from road movie to *SPOILER* movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate spoilers. I have to pick up my book on a monthly basis, and I don&#8217;t buy trades.</p>
<p>Knowing to which conclusion a book leads before reading it, is a major dissapointment to me, especially when it&#8217;s not a back issue. Knowing what happens in a back issue doesn&#8217;t annoy me, these books are more for background information, a history lesson if you like.</p>
<p>I also dislike to detailed reviews of movies I like to see. In last couple of years reviews seem to describe the whole movie. I don&#8217;t want to imagine, what watching From Dusk till Dawn for the first time would be like, knowing beforehand, it would mutate from road movie to *SPOILER* movie.</p>
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		<title>By: João Carvalho</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465634</link>
		<dc:creator>João Carvalho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don´t care that much about the spoilers. As a trade waiting guy I know that I will be spoiled sometimes, it´s part of trade-waiting, but like someone said, if you´re buying the book for the spoiler it probably won`t be woth it. What happened already was that I was thinking in buying some trades and thanks to the spoilers I ended avoiding really bad experiences. And the oposite also happened were because of the spoilers I ended getting something I wasn´t inittialy looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don´t care that much about the spoilers. As a trade waiting guy I know that I will be spoiled sometimes, it´s part of trade-waiting, but like someone said, if you´re buying the book for the spoiler it probably won`t be woth it. What happened already was that I was thinking in buying some trades and thanks to the spoilers I ended avoiding really bad experiences. And the oposite also happened were because of the spoilers I ended getting something I wasn´t inittialy looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: AO</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465632</link>
		<dc:creator>AO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Josh,

I&#039;d heard good things about Cowboy Bebop and finally bought it on DVD a couple of months back with plans to watch it soon.  Now I guess that I will wait awhile and try to forget your spoiler.  

Personally, I read all my comics the first week that they come out, so I had no concerns about seeing any comic related spoilers on this thread.  I guess that it just never occurred to me to be worried about anime spoilers.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Josh,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d heard good things about Cowboy Bebop and finally bought it on DVD a couple of months back with plans to watch it soon.  Now I guess that I will wait awhile and try to forget your spoiler.  </p>
<p>Personally, I read all my comics the first week that they come out, so I had no concerns about seeing any comic related spoilers on this thread.  I guess that it just never occurred to me to be worried about anime spoilers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waiting for the trade is the way girls read comics

real dudes like up for their comics on wednesday


and people who call comics pamphlets or floppies are jerkoffs</description>
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<p>real dudes like up for their comics on wednesday</p>
<p>and people who call comics pamphlets or floppies are jerkoffs</p>
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		<title>By: OCM</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465627</link>
		<dc:creator>OCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading stories in general for 4 decades, there&#039;s no true surprises left anyway.

So, I&#039;m more than content to read articles to tell me if something is worth getting in collection or not.

Saved me from wasting money on crap like Countdown and Trinity anyway.</description>
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<p>So, I&#8217;m more than content to read articles to tell me if something is worth getting in collection or not.</p>
<p>Saved me from wasting money on crap like Countdown and Trinity anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: CRIS</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465626</link>
		<dc:creator>CRIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilariously enough, even though I work in a comic shop, there aren&#039;t a great deal of comics that I wait for trades on that get spoiled for me. For example, I HAVE to let at least 3 Invincible trades stack up before I read them because I tear through them so quickly (I read the first 8 in about 6 hours stretched out over 3 days) and I still don&#039;t know anything about what happens after Mark and Eve finally hook up. For the most part, all I hear on books is &quot;good&quot; or &quot;not good&quot; along with comparison explanations. If they have a question regarding the plot, they always ask if I&#039;ve read it first and if I say no then they don&#039;t ask the question.

The thing I get spoiled on the most are movies. If I can&#039;t get into an advance screening about two months beforehand, I have films mapped out for me frame by frame despite my clearly stating &quot;DO NOT SPOIL IT FOR ME OR I WILL HURT YOU.&quot; I still haven&#039;t seen Wolverine and I don&#039;t need to because I know everything that goes on in it and every varying opinion, especially since my patronage is fond of piracy and got the leaked version months before release. Then these people have the audacity to ask my &quot;professional opinion.&quot; It&#039;s like they didn&#039;t hear me the 3,000 times I said, &quot;I haven&#039;t seen it!&quot;

As for news sites, most everybody is really good at ambiguous headlines. I don&#039;t read articles about stuff I haven&#039;t read. It&#039;s not necessarily because I&#039;m trying to remain spoiler-free (sometimes I hunt spoilers so I know what to recommend at the shop), but if it&#039;s something I&#039;ve yet to read then I really have no interest in the article. I can&#039;t relate to an article if I don&#039;t know what the subject matter really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilariously enough, even though I work in a comic shop, there aren&#8217;t a great deal of comics that I wait for trades on that get spoiled for me. For example, I HAVE to let at least 3 Invincible trades stack up before I read them because I tear through them so quickly (I read the first 8 in about 6 hours stretched out over 3 days) and I still don&#8217;t know anything about what happens after Mark and Eve finally hook up. For the most part, all I hear on books is &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;not good&#8221; along with comparison explanations. If they have a question regarding the plot, they always ask if I&#8217;ve read it first and if I say no then they don&#8217;t ask the question.</p>
<p>The thing I get spoiled on the most are movies. If I can&#8217;t get into an advance screening about two months beforehand, I have films mapped out for me frame by frame despite my clearly stating &#8220;DO NOT SPOIL IT FOR ME OR I WILL HURT YOU.&#8221; I still haven&#8217;t seen Wolverine and I don&#8217;t need to because I know everything that goes on in it and every varying opinion, especially since my patronage is fond of piracy and got the leaked version months before release. Then these people have the audacity to ask my &#8220;professional opinion.&#8221; It&#8217;s like they didn&#8217;t hear me the 3,000 times I said, &#8220;I haven&#8217;t seen it!&#8221;</p>
<p>As for news sites, most everybody is really good at ambiguous headlines. I don&#8217;t read articles about stuff I haven&#8217;t read. It&#8217;s not necessarily because I&#8217;m trying to remain spoiler-free (sometimes I hunt spoilers so I know what to recommend at the shop), but if it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve yet to read then I really have no interest in the article. I can&#8217;t relate to an article if I don&#8217;t know what the subject matter really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Colby</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465625</link>
		<dc:creator>Colby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read trades exclusively since getting into comics, I have learned not to care about what gets spoiled. I&#039;ve probably seen twenty spoilers of varying degrees in the last month, but I still plan on picking up their comics, because I want to see how it happens. This applies even for older books- I knew how &quot;Y; The Last Man&quot; ended before picking up the first trade, and I still count the series among my favorites because of Vaughn&#039;s character work and dialougue. For me, it&#039;s the journey rather than the destination that intrigues me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read trades exclusively since getting into comics, I have learned not to care about what gets spoiled. I&#8217;ve probably seen twenty spoilers of varying degrees in the last month, but I still plan on picking up their comics, because I want to see how it happens. This applies even for older books- I knew how &#8220;Y; The Last Man&#8221; ended before picking up the first trade, and I still count the series among my favorites because of Vaughn&#8217;s character work and dialougue. For me, it&#8217;s the journey rather than the destination that intrigues me.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465624</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would go with the one about &quot;knowing is not the same as reading&quot;. I recall the day I got over myself when I was 13, and found out that Spike dies at the end of Cowboy Bebop. I was really upset, and then I realized: That&#039;s an awesome show, whether I know what&#039;s coming up or not.

Oh yeah, spoilers for the decade old show, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would go with the one about &#8220;knowing is not the same as reading&#8221;. I recall the day I got over myself when I was 13, and found out that Spike dies at the end of Cowboy Bebop. I was really upset, and then I realized: That&#8217;s an awesome show, whether I know what&#8217;s coming up or not.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, spoilers for the decade old show, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt M.</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465619</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) I don&#039;t actually read a lot of comic site/blog content so much as I skim it.

2) Most of what I really care about is stuff that most other people don&#039;t care about and therefore doesn&#039;t get written up as much.

3) If I think the article is going to spoil something I&#039;m waiting on and care about, I tend not to read it.  Pretty easy, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) I don&#8217;t actually read a lot of comic site/blog content so much as I skim it.</p>
<p>2) Most of what I really care about is stuff that most other people don&#8217;t care about and therefore doesn&#8217;t get written up as much.</p>
<p>3) If I think the article is going to spoil something I&#8217;m waiting on and care about, I tend not to read it.  Pretty easy, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Kan</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465618</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat Kan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy some monthlies and some trades.  Spoilers aren&#039;t an issue for me.</description>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465617</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i tend to ignore anything i don&#039;t want spoiled, but some comics it doesn&#039;t matter knowing in advance</description>
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		<title>By: Mr Wesley</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/06/08/line-by-line-trade-waiting-vs-spoiler-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-465616</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only do I not try to avoid spoilers in super-hero stories before I decide to buy a collection, but its actually a major criteria of whether or not I pick a collection up.

I&#039;ve been using this example on a lot of different threads I&#039;ve been participating in recently, but it bears repeating: I will not be picking up the Final Crisis or Batman RIP collections--not necessarily because I know the ending, but because I&#039;ve decided I think the storytelling is poor, and I don&#039;t want to spend money on something I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll enjoy.

However, I will admit that if there is a storyline with a major impact, like Batman RIP or Final Crisis, sometimes I will pick up that final issue.

I view monthly issues vs. collections much in the same way I do books and movies that are based on them (or the other way around). I can read a book and know all the plot points, but that doesn&#039;t mean I can&#039;t enjoy the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only do I not try to avoid spoilers in super-hero stories before I decide to buy a collection, but its actually a major criteria of whether or not I pick a collection up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using this example on a lot of different threads I&#8217;ve been participating in recently, but it bears repeating: I will not be picking up the Final Crisis or Batman RIP collections&#8211;not necessarily because I know the ending, but because I&#8217;ve decided I think the storytelling is poor, and I don&#8217;t want to spend money on something I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll enjoy.</p>
<p>However, I will admit that if there is a storyline with a major impact, like Batman RIP or Final Crisis, sometimes I will pick up that final issue.</p>
<p>I view monthly issues vs. collections much in the same way I do books and movies that are based on them (or the other way around). I can read a book and know all the plot points, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I can&#8217;t enjoy the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ado Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ado Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of good movies work on the onion-skinning principle - you learn the ending first up and then through a series of flash-backs, you found out how the protagonists got to that end-point. In other words, quite often, it&#039;s all about the journey. I suppose trade-waiting and spoilers work in the same way. I&#039;m really looking forward to the Final Crisis hardback next week, despite the fact that I know Barry Allen returns and Bruce Wayne may have died etc. But how did the DCU get there? That is the question... at least for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of good movies work on the onion-skinning principle &#8211; you learn the ending first up and then through a series of flash-backs, you found out how the protagonists got to that end-point. In other words, quite often, it&#8217;s all about the journey. I suppose trade-waiting and spoilers work in the same way. I&#8217;m really looking forward to the Final Crisis hardback next week, despite the fact that I know Barry Allen returns and Bruce Wayne may have died etc. But how did the DCU get there? That is the question&#8230; at least for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Tevis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Tevis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh - reading it and knowing it is coming are two different things.  Comics are two things - art and writing.  I might get the story from a spoiler, but I also miss out on the art, the nuance, and the dialogue.  I am not concerned with knowing ahead of time.  It is kind of like a roller-coaster.  I know the hill that we are climbing means that a big plunge is coming, but I enjoy it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh &#8211; reading it and knowing it is coming are two different things.  Comics are two things &#8211; art and writing.  I might get the story from a spoiler, but I also miss out on the art, the nuance, and the dialogue.  I am not concerned with knowing ahead of time.  It is kind of like a roller-coaster.  I know the hill that we are climbing means that a big plunge is coming, but I enjoy it anyway.</p>
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