After my comments on the matter a few days ago, it was suggested that I put together a list of Teen Titans-related deaths that have taken place in the last few years, what weight they carried and all that. One thing that’s kind of ironic is that in looking at these stories, I realized there haven’t been quite as many Titans deaths as I had previously suspected! While I’m sure I missed a few (maybe even some really obvious ones, and I’m sure you’ll all tell me), the list I’ve got going on here is fairly exhaustive.
In the Infinite Crisis crossover event, we lost Baby Wildebeest, Bushido, Pantha and Superboy (Conner Kent/Kon-El, who came back in this month’s Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #4 by Geoff Johns, the same guy who killed him off) to Superboy-Prime’s out-of-control tantrums. For a long while, we were without Tempest (also now returned). Does he count? He’s done time in various iterations of the team, but (like Roy Harper for a very long time) had never really gotten out of the “sidekick” shadow.
Worth noting: Mas y Menos appeared in the “Director’s Cut” of Final Crisis #1 to have survived; Empress has been back in Supergirl and Sparx was listed (as of Teen Titans #66) as a potential member, so it appears that they all survived their aborted attempt to launch the League of Titans or whatever it was in Final Crisis #1 after having their asses handed to them by Dr. Light and Mirror Master. So whereas Infinite Crisis was a Titans death bonanza, it appears as though Final Crisis didn’t kill any Titans, instead the larger storyline of Final Crisis served as a vehicle to bring back Kid Flash and Superboy.
52 featured the deaths of Terra and Young Frankenstein (who recovered) at the hands of Black Adam during his tear across Eastern Europe and Asia; and the murder of Osiris (hey, a Titan for ten minutes is still a Titan) by Sobek. Shortly after the end of 52, there was a spate of Titans and Titans allies who bit the dust, including Bart Allen/Kid Flash in Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #13. Bart, of course, came back recently in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #3. Judd Winick’s Titans East #1, a lead-up special for the Titans monthly, featured the death of Power Boy and saw Anima, Son of Vulcan, Lagoon Boy, Little Barda,
Hawk and Dove all appear to die, only to be revealed at the start of Titans #1 as in various stages of recovery. Given that Little Barda, like Power Boy, was a New God and they’re all dead now, I do wonder how her apparent survival plays into the grander tapestry of DC’s continuity…but sometimes you just learn not to ask these questions. As far as I know, nobody has picked up and run with any of these characters since their slaughter, so they’re functionally dead (most of them were anyway, let’s face it) even if they aren’t being treated as physically deceased. I guess the only real difference is that if there was a statue someplace, people would remember them (think of Tomorrow Woman, who had like two appearances and is still more recognizable than poor Anima, whose title ran for more than a year). Around that same time we saw the incapacitation of Connor Hawke in Green Arrow/Black Canary, who was never a Titan that I can recall but certainly could have been; he’s part of the right generation of heroes. He was one of the many DC characters to get the “random lightning bolt from the sky” treatment during that period of time, although we later found out that he was just in a coma…and I think he’s even come out of that lately. I don’t know.
While all that was happening around it, DC’s “spine,” Countdown/Countdown to Final Crisis, featured the death of Duela Dent/Joker’s Daughter within four or five seconds of the story starting and was…er, I guess, the reason for the story in the first place. I’m going to blame that one on showrunner Paul Dini, although let’s face it—there were about 200 people involved with the creation of Countdown, so it could have been anybody’s idea.
Most recently, Sean McKeever’s Terror Titans story featured the deaths of TNTeena and Disruptor, who weren’t actually Titans (do Terror Titans count?), but are worth mentioning just the same. In the first issue of their mini, the new Persuader killed Molecule, who had been a Teen Titan during 52.
The real irony, of course, is that it’s the Teen Titans’ monthly book that seems to have far less death than I expected (although the needless violence ratio has definitely gone up since Infinite Crisis).
Bombshell, one of the “Titans East,” was murdered by Batgirl during an interrogation in that story by Geoff Johns. She got better. It was a long time before another Teen Titan actually died in the pages of this title, and then it was “caretakers” Marvin and Wendy (yes, modeled after the ones from the Super Friends cartoon) who bit the dust after being mauled by the Wonderdog (you can’t make this stuff up) in #62. It later appeared without much explanation that Wendy had actually escaped.
Let’s not forget, though, that Teen Titans #33, the issue that preceded the end of Infinite Crisis and served as a sendoff for Superboy Conner Kent, was supposed to be the last great Nightwing story as well. Of course, Nightwing never died and is now Batman, and Conner got better.
I’m not entirely sure, relative to the rest of this timeline, where the Ed Brubaker/Bill Willingham Batman story “War Games” falls, but since Stephanie Brown’s Robin was a Teen Titan for about 6 pages, I suppose she’s worth mentioning, even if the death has now been retconned.
After their conflict with the Justice League in the early days of the title (back when both the Titans and the JLA were made up of big-name, major-player characters as opposed to the fourth-stringers who currently pack their respective rosters), it was decided that the team would be subject to oversight if kids started dropping like flies…and so one does have to wonder (even if the problem isn’t quite as bad as I had previously thought) how it is that nobody’s lowered the hammer on them in the last few years? Maybe it’s that the JLA members previously worried about the safety of these children are instead preoccupied on New Krypton, in prehistoric caves or seeing their jobs outsourced to newer, male versions. But there’s always been time for a memorial service, and to commission a statue. How come none of that downtime was spent discussing whether having a team that seems like little more than a children’s death club operating was a good idea?
It’s the lesson that the Trinity took to heart at the start of Infinite Crisis: “When we’re not around or not getting along, bad things happen.” DC has since showed us this a couple of more times since (52, the current instability in the DCU given Superman’s absence, a new Batman and Wonder Woman’s problems – and all of them stepping down from the JLA). But just somewhere, sometime, since it was part of the original agreement of the Titans, it would be nice if the Trinity acted like heroes and checked in with a team that has clearly gone off the rails.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Anima died in the Faces Of Evil: Prometheus one-shot.
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
See? Knew I’d miss some! AND I read that book. AND I like Anima. Shows how little of an impression the FoE event made on me.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:46 am
im sorry to said this but
who the hell is Anima?
also Conor Hawke recover and gain some fast healing power, and oddly he lost his ability to use a bow (dont really know how that works)
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 am
Why attack the two books on the basis that they currently star d-list characters? How are we ever expected to achieve any sort of development if we languish in the same-old same-old of having a Big 7 JLA and a ‘classic’ Titans? Admiteddly, the latter was good when Johns first launched Teen Titans, but I’ve found it much more interesting since McKeever arranged his new team.
May 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 am
Russ – Where did that TT “animated” picture come from? Red Devil looks pretty good in it.
May 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 am
I believe the “Animated Titans” pic is from the character designs for Sean Galloway’s Titans stories in the upcoming “Wednesday Comics”. Please correct me if I’m wrong!
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 am
Anima was one of the two and a half dozen characters that came out of the worst DC crossover/event idea ever, Bloodlines– you know, the one from 1993 in which giant shapeshifting aliens came to Earth and sucked the spinal fluid out of their victims, causing some to gain powers. It was a crossover that gave us almost absolutely zero in the way of memorable characters except for one, who was saved by a writer/art team (Hitman, yes, Hitman came out of that… thing…). And yet, that crossover gave us more series spawns over the years than most of DC’s events have. Go fig.
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:41 am
Kole died and stayed dead to my knowledge….
Terra died… came back… died… came back… died… came back…
Donna Troy died… came back.. died… came back… died… came back…
Hawk & Dove are tricky because the originals are dead, as is the second Dove. There was a new Hawk & Dove in the late 90s everyone ignored. The Rob Liefeld re-creation a few years back were shown to have lost thier powers in Infinite Crisis when “all the rules of magic supposedly changed” but I think they were seen in the pages of Titans a few moths later, with their full powers.
May 23rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
You also forgot the death of Lilith who was a long time member. Also Donna was believed dead for awhile at the end of the same story.
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 am
Ian – I’ve tried to keep it limited to this title’s run, for the simple reason of characters like Terra and Donna, who die more or less everytime somebody punches them, but it’s okay because they come back as soon as that some person punches someone else. If you look carefully, you can see it all happen during some fight scenes. It’s quite something.
Bo – Russell’s right about the Galloway thing; I was just trying to pull some appropriate images out of the Blog@ storage locker that I thought were cool.
Statham – I’m a HUGE fan of the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice League run, so you’re not telling me anything I don’t know about the potential for character growth and expanding the universe by including nontraditional Justice Leaguers and Titans (I have a monthly column following the exploits of Booster Gold, one of the most unlikely Justice Leaguers of all time, after all). The problem in this instance is that both books are, in the writer’s opinion, not good AND feature fourth-stringers. At least if the books were not good but featured characters we knew or cared about, there would be motivation to buy them. Or if they were filled with unknowns and really enjoyable.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I see what you mean, Russ.
All this death aside, being what it is in comic books, none of the Titans ever really seem to stay dead, past or present, do they?
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Whaddaya expect when didio the death dealer runs things?
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Golden Eagle died during the titans hunt-was later retconned.
Raven also died and got better. Ditto Jericho.
Danny Chase died. Became Phantasm the ghost. Somehow died as a ghost.
Jason Todd was a titan for one issue. Died. Returned.
Kole and Aquagirl during COIE. Stayed dead.
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Titans has been on a long, slow downward spiral since Johns left the title, and McKeever’s run on the book has become a paradigm of mediocrity. These books should be canceled and allowed to lay low for awhile before being relaunched with purpose, direction, and prestige. Or if a talented writer worth a damn can breathe life into the property.
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
“Whaddaya expect when didio the death dealer runs things?”
Internet comics nerds… thank god they never, ever engage in self-righteous hyperbole. God bless ‘em.
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Didio and Geoff johns are the Death Deales. I forgot besides all the killing and maiming Johns did he also had Batgirl kill Bombshell. Of course people seem to think McKeeaver is the person doing all the killing.
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm
The second Dove did die, but she came back in the previous JSA run and so she is now the current Dove, paired with her sister Holly. Those are the two that almost died in Titans East but survived. After Titans East they appeared in a couple of issues of Countdown to Mystery.
May 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I kind of wish Jericho had stayed dead.
May 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Let’s not forget Bombshell actually turned out alive, oddly.
Loved the Tomorrow Woman mention, she is definitely more recognizable than Anima, and awesome.
May 24th, 2009 at 1:03 am
not sure if young justice should count as titans but
lobo died, and went to hell
also empress and arrowette retired
May 24th, 2009 at 5:09 am
Matthew M Says:
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Titans has been on a long, slow downward spiral since Johns left the title, and McKeever’s run on the book has become a paradigm of mediocrity. These books should be canceled and allowed to lay low for awhile before being relaunched with purpose, direction, and prestige. Or if a talented writer worth a damn can breathe life into the property.
I like Johns as a writer…. I really do… but his Titans, while popular, was lack luster in my mind. Everything Titans is compared to Wolfman and Perez and nothing has come close to their run since they left the book.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:14 am
I stopped reading Teen Titans a few months back. I was completely turned off by the excessive violence. Dogs eating people? Blood everywhere. I thought I was reading a MAX title.
May 24th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
And now we’re supposed to have ANOTHER death on the team in a few issues. Right now, the only death proof members seem to be Cassie, who is the only remaining member of the original relaunch team, and Static, who isn’t even DC owned.
May 24th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
^actually i think that who die is pretty obvius
red devil die then he revive as a devil
how many times has blue devil done the same thing
they need more new ideas for TT
so far the only real mystery is who will be the pregnant teen girl of Origins and Omens
May 24th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
The whole article reads like a bit of a reach. Notice how many times a variation on “not really a titan, but still…” is used? And how many of those characters weren’t even Titans at the time of their demise? The whole idea that being in the club is what’s making the kids kick the bucket falls apart when you actually consider facts. It’s not like this is women in refrigerators. This is house-cleaning of c-list characters who (with the exception of Bart and Conner, who are both back) have tenuous affiliations with the team at best.
May 24th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I’ve crunched the numbers a couple of times, once after the Titans slaughter in Infinite Crisis and again when it looked like the Titans East Special was another such kill-fest, and came to the conclusion that about half of everyone who has ever been a Titan (not counting the Titans Tomorrow arcs) was either dead or out of continuity for one reason or another. If every dead Titan that actually left a body behind stood up at the same time in (like, say, in Blackest Night) that’d make for one heck of a zombie movie.
May 25th, 2009 at 5:56 am
I really don’t get how everyone justifies these deaths by saying “Oh, they were C-listers”. I mean at one point, Anima had her own series. I’m pretty sure Gail Simone and Rob Liefeld didn’t create the new Hawk and Dove with the intention of them both becoming cannon fodder for an awful book.
The whole idea of killing off a character just to show off how serious a situation is is just terribly lazy writing. Who knows, Osiris could have been an awesome hero, but he was killed after like three appearances. Same goes for Molecule and the others, all of whom could have been great under the right creator.
May 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Yeah, Osiris could have been an interesting character. A Black Marvel family member who only thought the powers corrupted him but was still fundamentally good?
Mary and Billy didn’t manage to overcome the supposed Black Marvel evil impulses to unShazam themselves. Osiris did. Ah well, maybe he’ll show up in Blackest Night and look at his sister and brother in law’s rock formations.
May 25th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Lots of dead Titans = lazy writing. Why so many dead? Because there’s been so many bad writers. This title outsold X-Men for a time when both were #1 and #2. Now look at how the franchises have gone in different directions. You can pay for writers like Fraction and Brubaker and Whedon and Ellis, or you can pay for McKeever and Winnick. You can pay for artists like Land, Cassidy, Bianchi and Dodson or you can pay for Barrows and the 1/2 dozen guys who have drawn Titans first 12 issues. It’s a choice. DC has made a choice on how to spend on this title since Wolfman and Perez left. It’s been embarrassingly bad at times, probably never worse than the last year or two. Marvel made a different choice. The results speak for themselves.
May 25th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
This was a fairly interesting article. I got a kick out of it.
The thing about JERICHO is that he’s cooler than he’s ever been right now. When you consider that he was created as a challenge for Perez, writers have done pretty well at expanding him.
Glad he’s back [until they kill him again]
October 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
oh and fyi kid devil = depowered and dead in teen titans # 74. somehow he’s coming back.
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