It’s all Arthur Conan Doyle’s fault.

I liked Conner as a character but i think him, Barry Allen, Bart Allen and yes even Hal jordan and Oliver Queen should have stayed dead.

Yes, but the whole point is that according to DC (based on the whining of Legion fans) that wasn’t the “real” Legion, so anything done in it wasn’t good enough, and should be ignored, except for the specific items Geoff chooses to save.

Oh, wait, they’re not even MENTIONED in Lo3W, so they’re all SOL.

The very fact that you’re the only one to point it out is testament to that.

(Tell me I don’t need Sarcasm tags around that…please…)

Unless the Seigels and DC are FAR closer to a settlement than anyone knows, I still think this is a risky move. It seems too much like DC couldn’t wait for a settlement, so they went with what they thought would be okay, even though a couple of years ago, they DIDN’T think they could get away with it. It smacks too much of Vince McMahon deciding the World Wildlife Fund wouldn’t really do anything if he decided to use wwf.com as the website address…and eventually had to change the name of the whole damn company. It’s DC Shoes all over again. Until the whole mishegas gets settled (literally and figuratively), ANYTHING DC does can come back and bite them.

I’m happy to see these characters, and hope the whole mess gets settled eventually so we can see “The Adventures of Superman When He Was A Boy” officially get folded back into the continuity.

Pay them off. Yes, again. It’s worth it. Whether or not they “deserve” it legally (or morally), is NEVER going to be settled (as every related comment thread shows). But the amount of money lost, compared to the amount of money spent to date doesn’t balance. Get them off your back, at least for another generation.

The Fawcett case was settled in court. Fawcett lost. The Judges ruled plagiarism had occurred and remanded it back to lower court to compute the damages. That was the only issue left when Fawcett capitulated. DC screwed up by not obtaining the rights to the character right then and there. They settled simply for prohibiting continued publication which lead to Marvelman, the Myron Fass Captain Marvel and Marvel Comics’ eventual capture of the trademark.

We are all, of course, entitled to our own opinions. But, both characters, the Legion as a whole, and the Superman as a boy, suffered without each other. In both real world and fictional history, there is no legion without Superboy. And Superboy was defined as the ultimate team player by legion, well before the Justice league in “fictional history”. It was his basis of interaction with the Legion that allowed him to be such a team player in JLA as opposed to say, Batman.

I think both concepts are better together than apart.

And, Dan: I also remember reading that part of his agreement to write Infinite Crisis was allowing him to be the one to put away Bart and Connor. I’m 90% sure it was here on Newsarama, but since it was before the Imaginova agreement, I’m having trouble finding it.

He’s NOT Superman – he’s his own person. Connor was, curiously, very strongly developed as far as his personality as an independent character in his own book. They really developed him extensively, to the point where I honestly think he’s one of the most well-rounded and realized DC characters, consistent and comprehensible.

It’s GREAT to see him and Bart back from the “dead.”

But if Geoff Johns wants to try, who am I to argue? The end result is usually pretty good.

I feel for Mrs. Siegel who has been screwed by DC Comicss, but I am not so sure his kids, grandkids, and relatives are entitled to the Superman profits.

There’s never been an issue with the copyright on Superman – DC owns him free and clear. Say what you want about how they got him, but they own him.

This whole froofroora is about SuperBOY.

The problem with Superboy is Siegel was cannier at the time than he and Shuster were when they sold the Superman rights – which is why whether Superboy is completely a derivative work of Superman, or a sufficiently original character in his own right is the issue at the heart of the matter.

Clearly DC believes that either he is a simple Superman derivative, or that the two current itterations of Superboy (Prime and Connor) are sufficiently different from HIM as to not be considered derivatives, and therefor not considered to belong to Siegel’s heirs, if they’re given the rights to the original Superboy.

I believe in Connor Kent.

Why not add Leg warmers to complete the look?

Give him a NEW costume or keep this one but PLEEEEEEEASE do not go back to that awful outfit!

Link please.

I’m glad to see Conner come back and prefer having this Superboy in the Legion. When Superboy was part of the group it felt like the other members didn’t get enough attention or character development. This Superboy, not young Superman, feels like he’s not as invincible as the original Superboy.

It’s also good that the Siegel family is getting something due to Jerry Siegel’s creation of both Superboy and Superman, and other characters.