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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Rise above its comic-book roots,&#8221; eh?</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/04/30/rise-above-its-comic-book-roots-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-463243</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gantrants 
&quot;Everyone was buzzing about Dark Knight and how is wasn’t just a comic book movie and how it had risen above comic status.&quot;

That just proves the point I was trying to make. The majority of TDK reviews make the point about the film &quot;rising above its comic book roots&quot;, but rarely acknowledging actual that some Batman comics are just as good (if not better) than the film. As much respect as TDK got, the source material still gets blown off as incidental pap. Even in reviews for Watchmen, references to the comic being &quot;the best ever comic ever&quot; are sort of played off as &quot;Oh those wacky fanboys love their silly little funnybooks!&quot;.

Even if every comic-related movie that comes out from now on achieves the near-universal Dark Knight level praise, it&#039;s all going to be &quot;Thank God for Christopher Nolan to make a piece of art out of this crap.&quot; The stigma is - realistically - always gonna stick, and that sucks, but there&#039;s nothing anyone can do about it. The non-comic reading world has made up their minds about it. And unfortunately, for every TDK, there are three Catwomen, and that just makes the hurt worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gantrants<br />
&#8220;Everyone was buzzing about Dark Knight and how is wasn’t just a comic book movie and how it had risen above comic status.&#8221;</p>
<p>That just proves the point I was trying to make. The majority of TDK reviews make the point about the film &#8220;rising above its comic book roots&#8221;, but rarely acknowledging actual that some Batman comics are just as good (if not better) than the film. As much respect as TDK got, the source material still gets blown off as incidental pap. Even in reviews for Watchmen, references to the comic being &#8220;the best ever comic ever&#8221; are sort of played off as &#8220;Oh those wacky fanboys love their silly little funnybooks!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even if every comic-related movie that comes out from now on achieves the near-universal Dark Knight level praise, it&#8217;s all going to be &#8220;Thank God for Christopher Nolan to make a piece of art out of this crap.&#8221; The stigma is &#8211; realistically &#8211; always gonna stick, and that sucks, but there&#8217;s nothing anyone can do about it. The non-comic reading world has made up their minds about it. And unfortunately, for every TDK, there are three Catwomen, and that just makes the hurt worse.</p>
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		<title>By: eaglesfillthesky</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/04/30/rise-above-its-comic-book-roots-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-463236</link>
		<dc:creator>eaglesfillthesky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it before, but, the only people i&#039;ve ever heard complain that Watchmen &quot;was hard to follow for those who haven’t read it,&quot; were people who have read it.  everyone i know who saw it and didn&#039;t read the book (and i asked) followed it just fine, or at least wouldn&#039;t admit to not following it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said it before, but, the only people i&#8217;ve ever heard complain that Watchmen &#8220;was hard to follow for those who haven’t read it,&#8221; were people who have read it.  everyone i know who saw it and didn&#8217;t read the book (and i asked) followed it just fine, or at least wouldn&#8217;t admit to not following it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/04/30/rise-above-its-comic-book-roots-eh/comment-page-1/#comment-463235</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, gantrants, you just said it yourself: &quot;Everyone was buzzing about Dark Knight and how is wasn’t just a comic book movie and how it had risen above comic status.&quot;

So, somehow, it&#039;s source material is, yet again, something to rise above. Looking at the best examples of Batman in print over the years, there&#039;s nothing to &quot;rise above&quot;... Batman Begins and TDK are two splendid films that prove how great and enduring Batman (and the Bat-mythos) is if handled correctly. By handled correctly&quot; I mean being faithful to the comics roots. 

There&#039;s a great deal Batman to choose from, of course, but assuming you don&#039;t want to delve back into the cheesiness of the 1950&#039;s/60&#039;s Batman, I think it&#039;s pretty easy to look at the what&#039;s worked best over the years, what stories and concepts work best, and use those aspects to base a movie upon. 

It&#039;s respect for the material, and taking it seriously. Even Iron Man, which had a great deal of humor in it, still took the character and material seriously. They didn&#039;t try to radically change it all, or act apologetic for being a comic book first, or do it all with a wink and a nod. That&#039;s when those kinds of movies generally work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, gantrants, you just said it yourself: &#8220;Everyone was buzzing about Dark Knight and how is wasn’t just a comic book movie and how it had risen above comic status.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, somehow, it&#8217;s source material is, yet again, something to rise above. Looking at the best examples of Batman in print over the years, there&#8217;s nothing to &#8220;rise above&#8221;&#8230; Batman Begins and TDK are two splendid films that prove how great and enduring Batman (and the Bat-mythos) is if handled correctly. By handled correctly&#8221; I mean being faithful to the comics roots. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great deal Batman to choose from, of course, but assuming you don&#8217;t want to delve back into the cheesiness of the 1950&#8242;s/60&#8242;s Batman, I think it&#8217;s pretty easy to look at the what&#8217;s worked best over the years, what stories and concepts work best, and use those aspects to base a movie upon. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s respect for the material, and taking it seriously. Even Iron Man, which had a great deal of humor in it, still took the character and material seriously. They didn&#8217;t try to radically change it all, or act apologetic for being a comic book first, or do it all with a wink and a nod. That&#8217;s when those kinds of movies generally work.</p>
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		<title>By: gantrants</title>
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		<dc:creator>gantrants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@eric I don&#039;t think that is true, especially in the case of Dark Knight. Everyone was buzzing about Dark Knight and how is wasn&#039;t just a comic book movie and how it had risen above comic status. So I think that comics can be respected as an art form if they are done right, which Dark Knight was. Unfortunately, movies like Origins: Wolverine which apparently sucks: http://www.newsy.com/videos/wolverine_declawed/ make it hard for comic book movies to be taken seriously as a genre. I think once we start seeing some of the more high quality graphic novels adapted into movies there could be a sway in the tide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@eric I don&#8217;t think that is true, especially in the case of Dark Knight. Everyone was buzzing about Dark Knight and how is wasn&#8217;t just a comic book movie and how it had risen above comic status. So I think that comics can be respected as an art form if they are done right, which Dark Knight was. Unfortunately, movies like Origins: Wolverine which apparently sucks: <a href="http://www.newsy.com/videos/wolverine_declawed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsy.com/videos/wolverine_declawed/</a> make it hard for comic book movies to be taken seriously as a genre. I think once we start seeing some of the more high quality graphic novels adapted into movies there could be a sway in the tide.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everytime a new comic-based movie is released, the same type of reviews start coming in, whether or not the movie is good or not. I&#039;m sure even in reviews for The Dark Knight, more than one critic made some slam or reference to comics being trash entertainment. On a rare occurrence will a comic adaptation (like say &quot;Ghost World&quot;) will only make an off-handed reference to it even existing as a comic before becoming a movie. Comics are destined to never be respected as an art form by anyone other than comic fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everytime a new comic-based movie is released, the same type of reviews start coming in, whether or not the movie is good or not. I&#8217;m sure even in reviews for The Dark Knight, more than one critic made some slam or reference to comics being trash entertainment. On a rare occurrence will a comic adaptation (like say &#8220;Ghost World&#8221;) will only make an off-handed reference to it even existing as a comic before becoming a movie. Comics are destined to never be respected as an art form by anyone other than comic fans.</p>
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