I figured when David blogged about it that the “girly products” from Marvel were targeted at preteen girls, not actual adults, and wrote it off.
But Karen at Girls Read Comics has a less charitable take on the subject, and I must say that after reading the copy she’s posted, I agree with her. “Females”?
The consumer products team at Marvel is thinking big when it comes to females.
That’s the first line. Who writes this stuff? (That is a question rhetorical: the WWD byline says someone called Julee Kaplan, who I will charitably pretend is really sad about the damage done to her perfectly articulate article by some confused intern.)
Seriously? Um, we’re really not an alien species, and I know that despite annoying perennial stereotypes of men into comics, all men don’t think that we are. So how does something this tone-deaf make it to the light of day?
She quotes Marvel’s president of consumer products:
“Since our core customer has always been guys, we need to be very careful when we introduce female product so that we don’t alienate our core,” said Paul Gitter, president of consumer products, North America, for Marvel Entertainment Inc. “What we have found through testing is that we haven’t alienated them, which gives us the OK to move forward with female product.”
I know, right, because we can’t possibly include women without causing guys to FREAK OUT! Because life is one big Little Rascals flick with a big No Girls Allowed sign on the door. Men clearly can’t deal with a company deciding to include women without being massively alienated, right? You guys are all gonna stop reading Northlanders because I like it too, right?
Karen continues:
I’m aware that, broadly speaking, products marketed to be appealing to men can also be appealing to women, but the reverse is much trickier to pull off – partly because of centuries of gender-specific marketing. Nevertheless, you’d think Marvel’s president of consumer products would have the grace and marketing nous to realize how ugly this sounds, and refrain from baldly stating so.
You don’t have to be a marketing expert (although the one I know agrees with me) to notice it’s pretty dumb to announce you’ve got big plans for selling to women in terms that are so insulting to women.
I can’t picture myself buying a heart-shaped necklace with pictures of comic characters (though I do love the naughty implications of the Spider-Man and Green Goblin broken heart), and so still cling to my assumption that the products are targeted at younger buyers than Karen and I. Perhaps “females” was used to try to include both “women” and “girls,” rather than to be so creepily alienating. Or maybe it was a sly nod to Garth Ennis’s character from The Boys, herself a sly poke at the idea that there need only be one token “female” in every comic?
Still, the stereotypes about comic fans, male and female, are irritating enough. Do we really need to keep perpetuating them?
April 5th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Hey, Sarah,
On one hand, I agree that the news release is very poorly written, and that the the product line is more than a little sexist. On the other hand, “females” is the best overall term the English language has for combining “women” and “girls.” Both men and boys accept “guys.” But of all the words I can think of that can encapsulate “women and girls,” “females” is probably the least offensive: “girls,” “gals,” “ladies,” these are all offensive to some percentage of the whole.
Does, as Karen suggests, “women and girls” do the job? I suppose, but it’s incredibly awkward to work with.Write it twice in the same paragraph, and it starts sticking out like a sore thumb.
I don’t have any answers here, just making an observation.
Also, as far as the product line goes, yeah, lip gloss and lockets may not be the most empowering items for young girls, but what would you recommend? Cosplay outfits? When 90% of the costumes most recognizable super-heroines from either company are based on bathing suits, and you put those outfits on a 10 year old with self-esteem issues… you see where I’m going here.
Like I said, I don’t have any answers here. Now, I’m going to go drink beer, watch baseball and scratch myself.
April 5th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Comic fans come in various ages and sizes: I’m 45 and male, my daugther is almost seven. We both like comics (not always the same ones).
She’s a girl and she’s a comic fan.
(She mostly reads DC not Marvel though, because they have a better kids line – at least for her age group).
April 5th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I applaud Marvel in their attempt to win over *affects creepy robot voice* fee-males.
Give them credit, as it’s no easy task! I mean, you have vaginas instead of penises, for starters. What gives??
We’re being quite charitable by letting you play along, vaginas and all! Be thankful that you’re allowed to join in our fun and keep in mind we’re trying our damndest just to figure you child-bearers out in the first place. I just hope you can participate in Marvel culture without driving us all away, you, the ones who ruin everything with your female-ness.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Oh no, does this mean I might have caught cooties from Northlanders? Curse you, Brian Wood!
April 6th, 2009 at 3:01 am
I would have to wholeheartedly agree that the attitudes displayed in this marketing release by Mr. Glitter are clueless at best and patronizing at worst, to fans of both gend- wait a minute.
“Sarah Jaffe”?
“Karen at Girls Read Comics”?
OH NOES! I HAVE JUST READ A COLUMN BY TWO FEMALES! NOW I HAVE DOUBLE COOTIES IN MY GUY EYES! EWWWWWWWW!
*runs away screaming*
April 6th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Instead of a Peter/Gwen locket split in two, how about an Echo locket that releases massive electric shocks every time the wearer feels uneasy about something. And it can’t ever be removed.
People are going to like what they like, regardless of gender. As a guy, I quite enjoyed McKeever’s MJ run, and my copy shares a shelf with Transmet and a ton of Punisher.
Remember that marketers live in a different world. Even the well-meaning ones.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Um, are they marketing Marvel brand tampons or something? “Female product” – you’ve got to be kidding me.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am
It really goes to show how out of touch Marvel is when it comes to women. It’s not rocket science, honestly. There’s no need to dumb down your products because that’s what you expect from your female audience… though to be fair, most of their merchandise for males is crap too.
April 6th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Not that DC’s any better. Robot 6 just made a post about an Ed Benes Green Lantern cover that features Star Sapphire in an outfit that’s cut down to her crotch.
Probably the saddest part of things like this is that most fans just shrug their shoulders and say, “Hey, what’re you gonna do? It’s always been like this,” like that justifies it.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
The last time a Marvel “Female Product” was advertised to the world, a whole run of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics had to be scrapped.