Incredible Hulk was successful? I thought it made less money than the previous Hulk film.

it doesn’t have to be “dark”. it just has to be good.

I wouldn’t have a problem with a reboot of the FF and Daredevil but at the same time, I didn’t hate them. I think the FF miscast Reed, Sue, and Doom and I think that the Daredevil Director’s Cut makes it a better movie than it was at the theatre.

this is crazy. the movies were bad, but not reboot bad. Heck, all that really is needed is a good story to turn everything around. Heck, even a F4 vs. the Moleman might actually work out if the story is handled with care.

I actually quit reading comics when everything went dark. Every character has their niche but when the Punisher and Ghost Rider and Venom basically became “heroes” and events like Batman being replaced, Superman dying, Hal Jordan killing people, and Colossus betraying the X-Men, all the pouches and gritted teeth couldn’t bring me back. I hope thats not what the studios want to do with comic book movies. Of course, its just as bad if it goes the opposite way and gives us another Batman and Robin.

@Hourman1941

Particularly since being killed and brought back with approximate elemental powers was the premise for “Elementals”.

No sense in rebooting, really. We’re gonna get ANOTHER origin movie then? Why? Just make a third movie…leave Doom out of it, bring in another villain, recast Reed and Sue, keep Chiklis and Evans. Easy to do.

I think the only movies under Marvel’s belt that would need a reboot would be Ghost Rider and Daredevil. GR wasn’t necessarily bad, but it would have been a lot better if someone other than Nic Cage was playing Johnny Blaze.

If it’s darker, then all I can say is….SKRULLS!!!!!

Dark is not the way to go with the FF. I remember reading way back that the original director attached to Fantastic Four was planning on a complete retro 60’s look for the film–setting it in the same era that the FF debuted in comics. THAT I would love to see!

My take on this?

I saw the first FF movie and wasn’t impressed at all. The Thing-suit wasn’t much better than Howard the Duck’s costume. The writing was tepid.

I layed down good cash for the second movie hoping that the Silver Surfer intro would help. It didn’t.

I don’t see a problem with re-booting the film franchise.

Can I make a suggestion?

Can we adapt some material from John Byrne’s run? His work on the F4 was some of the best F4 material in some time. It stands among fans as work that is re-read and enjoyed.

THAT is were they should look for material to reboot.

These just prove my point NOT EVERYTHING WORKS ON THE SLIVER SCREEN why do you think the dark knight failed because Batman not a realistic character and Joker does not what to have sex with batman.

Just stick to making animation movie those are the only way to do these character right

One of the best things they did with the recent Hulk reboot was to just gloss over the origin in the opening credits. They basically said, “Look, you know where we’re going with this, let’s just get on with it.”

If they do reboot the FF, they should do much the same thing and not bog down the whole movie with yet another retelling/retooling of the origin… “These four people went to space, got irradiated, now they have strange powers… aaaand GO!”

But the FF are first and foremost a family of adventurers and explorers. The tone should reflect that. It should be grand adventure in the tradition of the old Republic serials, fun and dangerous in equal measure, but on a cosmic scale. If they can’t figure out a way to do that, they’re better off leaving it alone.

YES, PLEASE DO! The first two movies are atrocious!

Here are a few suggestions: Get a “bigger” actor to play the Thing, a more talented actress to play Sue, a more appealing actor to play Reed. But keep Chris Evans as the Human Torch. He’s perfect in the role and not to mention that he’s damn HOT!!! Flame on, hottie!!!

… Also, have Sue start out as the Invisible Girl, but have her earn the Invisible Woman name by putting her through the ringer, just what John Byrne did in the comics. This progression should take time, possible have her change her name to the Invisible Woman by the second or preferrably third installment. ‘NUF SAID!!!

Chilkis was great, and Evans, though incredibly irritating was at least accurate. As far as Doom, Reed and Sue went they just didn’t have the presence… Doom particularly just seemed slimy rather than imposing.

I was very disappointed by the FF films. To me an FF movie is a chance to pull out out a lot of great Jack Kirby stuff and put it on the big screen. I mean who wouldn’t want to see the real Galactus or the Inhumans or a trip to Wakanda. All that stuff came out of the FF comic, so it should be the best superhero film out there.

Um, the first two FF films weren’t terrible. They weren’t, well, fantastic, but you don’t need anything more than a soft reboot to make them better. Recast Sue, and maybe Reed too. Keep Evans and Chiklis– they’re great as Johnny and Ben. Don’t make them “dark”, just make them REAL. Aim for “The Incredibles” not “The Dark Knight”

I don’t think it’ll be “darker,” just less goofy.

I want a more sci-fi type of film, and less “Woopsy, Sue took off her clothes but she’s not really invisible!” moments. Keep Johnny and Ben picking on each other, but make Sue more emotionally viable. Also, less of Reed as an insufferable nerd and more of Reed as a driven autocrat. I never saw him as the kind of socially awkward poindexter the first two movies made him out to be, but more like a guy who knows how to act with people, he’s just too wrapped up in his own bullcrap to care. The kind of guy whose brain moves so much faster than everyone else that he assumes he already had a conversation that didn’t really take place.

I always kind of saw George Clooney in the Mr. Fantastic role. He’s got that salt and pepper hair.

The report doesn’t actually say they are going to make a “dark” FF. It says “darker”, as in darker than the previous FF movies. Why automatically assume that means it’s gonna be WATCHMEN? I think what they mean is (and this is actually stated in the report…people would see it if they bothered to take the time to look, instead of just making assumptions) they want to go with a tone that matches up more with IRON MAN. IRON MAN was certainly not a “dark” movie. It was just mature. It was also a lot of fun at the same time. I don’t think it would be hard to tell an FF story in that vein. They do it in the comics all the time. The John Byrne run, for example, was certainly a lot of fun but it also had a very serious tone in the majority of the stories.

Personally, I liked the two FF movies, but even I agree they didn’t catch on with audiences like they should have and Fox/Marvel should go back to the drawing board.

They really don’t have to make FF dark. I didn’t like Alba, and Julian in their roles, but this doesn’t need to be darker. It just needs to be good. The FF movies were like a bad comic with good art. a lot of stuff looked right(except for DOOM, and Galactus) but the writing wasn’t there. I hope they don’t make more movies so Marvel can get the rights back. it kinda sucks now that marvel has their own studio they don’t have the rights to X-men, FF, and Daredevil or Spider-man(Sony). the best thing that could work for reboots is if FOX works with Marvel Studios but that will never never happen. you know why? Cause if they worked with Marvel studios they wouldn’t get 100% of the profits and thats what making these movies are really about. the studios want everything to be “dark” now cause TDK was “dark” and it made money. news flash TDK didn’t make money cause it was “dark” it made money cause it was good. did FOX go for the “bubble gum” approach with FF cause Spider-man was kinda “bubble gum”? and thats the problem you can’t base the tone of your movie off of another successful movie in the same genre. FF doesn’t need a dark reboot it needs to be its own movie and stand out to be successful, that is what Spider-man did, that is what TDK did, thats what Incredible Hulk did, and Iron Man did, but it sounds like FOX just wants to make a copy cat again. FOX thinks with their wallets, yet they can’t figure out that making copy cat movies hurts their wallets far more that an actual vision to bring the comics to life on film.
I hope if they do reboot FF they don’t make it “dark” they just make it good. for some reason “dark” is the new Super-Hero Movie buzzword lets stop using that and use the word ORIGINAL cause thats what studios should being looking for not DARK. But Studios will never listen to fans. Why do you think all the Punisher movies have come out so bad. Punisher is a laughing stock of Super Hero movies and its not the characters fault. There aren’t bad characters just bad movies. I just hope we can get good movies in the future for all comic properties so everyone wins. I’d take good over dark any day.

Sounds like Fox is actually serious about hanging on to the rights to both - iirc, they need to do something with the FF and DD rights now and then to keep them, or they revert back to Marvel.

i think that Hollywood has forgotten the market of post-theatre. I run a movie rental place and FF does relatively well renting, especially the pre-teen/family crowds that want superhero movies that aren’t always dark and scary for the 6-12 year olds. And on a sidenote, the straight-to dvd/blurays of such recent films as HUlk vs. , Next Avengers, and now Wonder Woman are renting and selling well here. Not everything has to be box office or dark to make $

Ok, the Fantastic Four movies should be rebooted, but not right now. I’m thinking 2014 or something. That way, there would be a lot of time to write a new script and make it work, like the Dark Knight, just not dark at all. I liked the fact that the Fantastic Four was a happy family, but it was a little TOO happy for me.

It think Evans should stay and they should keep Chikalis as a voice for a CGI Ben Grimm, because a costume doesn’t cut it. Now Dr. Doom, Sue and Reed should all be recast. Sue was acting like a dumb blonde, Reed wasn’t the way he’s supposed to be, and Dr. Doom wasn’t really evil enough. It hink the Mole Man or Annihilus should be in the next movie.

The FF are my favorite superheroes next to Spider-Man, and I’ve refused to see either the FF film or its sequel, as I could already tell they just didn’t get it. And now they need to go dark? They still don’t get it.

^ but I don’t think the reboot was any more successful than a sequel would have been.

@ David & Scott Iskow: Does anyone know how 2008’s Hulk movie did on DVD? I have no idea, though I number of people (myself included) who own the new one on DVD but satyed far, far away from Ang Lee’s film. Given the somewhat higher acclaim for the newer film, I wouldn’t be shocked if 2008’s Hulk was a bigger success on DVD.

Actually, the fact that the 2008 movie did as well as it did given a VERY crowded field of competition last summer (Ang Lee’s film didn’t have stiff competition like Iron Man, Indy Jones, Hancock, Wall*E and Dark Knight, and more to go against, did it?), not to mention the stigma of the Lee movie, is probably enough to call it a success. I’ve talked to people who thought it was a sequel and didn’t go because they “didn’t like the first one.”

The last two FF movies were CHEESE, big time (although the banter between Johnny and Ben about Ben and his girlfriend was funny and an over due topic to be humorouly brought into the light) -BUT! Now we have another generation of kids who know who they are. Kids fifteen years from now who will see the comics I want to sell and, thanks to these films, be able to recognize these characters. The movies help new generations know who these character-based assets are and see a security in their investment thanks to consistent reinvestment in modern entertainment, like video games and movies.

Reed Richards is like a combination of Harrison Ford’s Fugitive movie’s ultra resourceful and gracefully dignified Dr. Campbell -as a good side, and the self consuming scientist Tyrell from Blade Runner -as a bad side… (Huh, two Ford movie references… any way) Center on a couple of character’s development in each movie, like Reed and Sue say in the first, and leave the other characters as a subplot to be developed in following movies. You have Morrison’s “1234″ which has phenomenal artwork drawn by Lee. “1234″ would tell the story of Marvel’s first fam as a drama amidst sci-fi fantasy adventure. There are NOT too many major characters in this story, and Hollywood should make “1234″ a movie, and it will NOT be disorienting with Namor and Doom, as well as the meditation chamber for Reed -which is the SCI-FI that no other Marvel characters can be used for (Arad: -mutants are NOT sci-fi, they are an excuse to make random and different types of super-powered characters w/out having to think about a new and insightful origin story for a new character-based asset.)

If audiences can take on a movie like Watchmen ***with characters a non-graphic novel reader will recognize*** then the world can enjoy a high tech drama about Marvel’s first fam, like the graphic novel “1234″.

Jessica Alba would have made a great ORIGINAL Sue Storm. The reality is, if a woman is as good looking as Sue Storm, she does NOT end up a scientist, she marrys a soon to be rich one, like Reed. ‘Modernizing’ the only female character into a scientist was superficially PC. “Confessions of a Shopacholic” and “The Devil Wears Prada” -look at all of the best actress movies for this year’s Oscars -how many of them had this Marvel version of a ‘modern’ scientist factor tooled in a lead femail role? Sorry folks, but there is no way you can tell me that real life would have it any other way, regardless of the far and few between exceptions. Sue compensates for Reed’s lack of grounded common sense, and this can break down when there is too much of Reed’s selfish devotion to his work at the expense of his family. Everybody has a breaking point, and the dynamic between Sue and Reed is a great drama that can explore this breaking point while set in a sci-fi adventure with Ben and Johnny backing up the action. And throw in Reeds meditation chamber and Namor and Doom from “1234″, and you’ve got entertainment.

Um, perhaps it’s just me, but these reboots done but a few scant years after the original attempt tanked don’t seem to be actually catching on either, eh?

Give the reboots a rest for a while longer, Hollywood, until the bad taste of the previous movies’ bile has stopped lingering in the average moviegoers’ collective psyche. Sure, the fanboys will go to any old movie with their favorite spandex-clad character running about, but I’d think by now there’d be an understanding that fanboys alone DO NOT EQUAL MASSIVE PROFITS. Creating a good film that EVERYONE wants to see that still remains true to the fans (Iron Man, Spidey 2, Dark Knight) is what earns profit dollars, not hasty slapdash attempts to ride on the coattails of someone else’s creative endeavor (Daredevil, FF).

Or in other words, quit putting quality properties in the hands of hacks who have no regard for the content!!!