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NYCC 09: Batman Plans Post-R.I.P.

February 7th, 2009
Author Corey Henson

DC’s NYCC ’09 Batman panel focused on the franchise’s plans post-Cheap Batman Stunt Event 2008/2009 post-Batman: R.I.P. During the panel DC announced a slew of new titles debuting in June, and the one that piqued my interest the most was Detective Comics, by Greg Rucka and J.H. Williams, and starring Batwoman.  So far DC hasn’t done anything with Batwoman to make me really give a damn about her, but I am all over this. Rucka’s run on Detective back in 2000 was some really great stuff, and hot damn a 12-issue run by Williams is cause for celebration.

The Q&A session of the panel featured a couple of interesting tidbits as well:

Since there’s no Nightwing book, does that mean there’s no Nightwing? Rucka: There’s a character in Action Comics named Nightwing.-

When will we see Nightwing’s lair again? Tomasi: Unfortunately, the lair is not going to be around. Sattler: Along with Nightwing, possibly.

Oh man, I hope DC isn’t trying to work everyone into a frenzy of anxiety by teasing Nightwing’s death again. If they’re really planning on killing off Nightwing, that makes me think that they have no idea what their fans really want. Nobody wants Dick Grayson dead, except for Dan Didio.

On the other hand, the hints Rucka, Tomasi and Stattler dropped likely just mean that Grayson is briefly retiring the Nightwing identity. With another character named Nightwng appearing in the Superman books, and with Grayson the leading candidate to assume the Batman identity something had to give.

What’s the motivation of those three characters who are battling for the cowl? Why isn’t Dick Grayson the obvious choice?   Daniel: Well, Grayson doesn’t think there should be a new Batman. He thinks he’s irreplaceable. But they all realize that without him, Gotham is a mess. But Tim might have a different idea, and think maybe he should step up before someone else takes over Gotham.

It’s funny, but I was just thinking about this the other day. Batman’s “leave of absence” puts the Bat-family in a tough spot. Batman can’t and shouldn’t be replaced, and I don’t think that Tim or Dick would really want to accept the mantle. But Batman has become such an important symbol for justice in Gotham City that without him, the criminal element would grow overly confident and inspire them to run rampant throughout the city. Gotham City needs a Batman to keep all hell from breaking loose. The fact that Tony Daniel understands that gives me confidence that allowing him to write the Battle For The Cowl series is a good idea.

And finally:

How did Tim Drake grow his hair back?   Marts: Fabian has an answer for that and it will be addressed.

I’m sure that by that point in the panel, all the really good questions were already asked, but gee whiz… was this something that was keeping the inquirer awake at night? And is there a really more compelling answer for that than “He waited for it to grow back, and it did”?

21 Responses to “NYCC 09: Batman Plans Post-R.I.P.”
  1. Cisco Kid Says:

    The hair thing was in reference to the fact that Tim was blown up really bad and had some two face level scarring. I remember thinking it would be magically undone before battle for the cowl started, and not shockingly it was magically undone without explanation on the last panel of the six issue story arc.

    Nightwing and Flamebird coming back to the Superman mythos all but guaranteed that Grayson would be retiring the mantle long before this announcement. If I were to guess, Two Face does something in the arc that drives him to take up the Batman mantle. Harvey has been positioned as his big bad arch nemesis for almost a year. “Big plans for you and me down the line, Nightwing! Big Plans!” Those last words with the Battle for the Cowl teaser image say a rematch is coming.

  2. Johnny-Two Says:

    They should’ve given Batwoman her own title along with Sasha Bordeaux, and Renee Montoya. Greg Rucka loves lesbians more than Howard Stern. lol

  3. Kev Says:

    I don’t see why Rucka has been handed Detective Comics to promote his precious pet character. Batwoman should be in a mini-series of her own and let Detective stay a Batman book.

  4. Lemurion Says:

    It makes sense: my only concern is that I see no reason why Dick would take up the Red Robin mantle, and they’ve strongly implied he won’t be Nightwing.

  5. batmansgirl Says:

    I’m deeply concerned about Dick Grayson’s status too. :(

  6. Aaron Nowack Says:

    Oh man, I hope DC isn’t trying to work everyone into a frenzy of anxiety by teasing Nightwing’s death again. If they’re really planning on killing off Nightwing, that makes me think that they have no idea what their fans really want.

    No; it’s pretty abundantly clear that Dick Grayson is Batman when all this mess settles for a while.

    Indications are that if they’re killing off anyone, it’ll be the current Batgirl, given that there’s a new Batgirl series starting, the prior Batgirl mini sold poorly, that Didio said at another panel that Barbara Gordon wouldn’t be Oracle going forward, and that there’s the “Oracle: The Cure” mini running during BftC.

  7. D. Peace Says:

    Kev – Rucka is being “handed Detective Comics” because he’s worked on the title previously and has proven himself to be one of the absolute preeminent writers of the Batman line from a non-Batman perspective. The insistence that Batman be a part of ‘TEC is pretty ludicrous in light of the fact that Batman will be featured in a number of other comics monthly and that the absolute best Batman comic of the last decade was GOTHAM CENTRAL, co-written by Greg Rucka and focusing on a cast of characters that weren’t Batman.

    Simply put, ‘TEC is a noir comic that usually features Batman but should be more open than that… it can be crime drama, police procedural, or a whodunit. If you have any doubts, look at the title. I would love to see ‘TEC get back to its roots… it started out as a showcase for crime stories and Batman didn’t show up until later.

    Not that I have anything against Batman. Far from it. I just think there’s such a thing as over-saturation. He’ll be in a half dozen comics every month, so how much more do you need? There have to be other characters worth writing.

    As for Batwoman being Rucka’s “pet character” I’d say that every writer has their favorites and if said favorite happens to be a character you helped create or develop, then that’s fine. Did people complain about character favoritism every time Denny O’Neil wrote another Ra’s al Ghul story? How about when Paul Dini writes Harley Quinn? It’s OK for writers to have certain favorites that they gravitate towards.

    I say stand back and let the man tell a story. The fact that he’s committed to a year on the book and that it’ll be illustrated by JH Williams III is absolutely fantastic news. JH WILLIAMS III !! Yes, it’s fantastic. I’m a huge fan of both these guys, so I’m thrilled.

    The only thing I’m concerned with is that I think DC might re-number. I think fanboys get too caught up with the nerdy collections side of comics reading, but now that it’s my favorite comic, I really don’t want them to restart these books with new numbers. I don’t have any real reason for feeling this way, I’m just sentimental.

  8. Jake Says:

    I don’t think you ahve to worry about renumbering. I heard Rucka specify that the Batwoman arc starts in 865 or something. They’re just putting the books on hiatus for a few months.

  9. Nigel Says:

    There is a mention in ‘Last Will and Testament’ in the portion about the core Bat-Family that strongly infers, from Tim’s POV, that Dick will take the Bat-mantle as ‘firstborn son’.

  10. Ken B. Says:

    I don’t want Nighting to turn into Red Robin simply because I’m sick of seeing everything DC refined through the Alex Ross lens. Get the hell over it DC.

  11. Johnny-Two Says:

    Batwoman is a “pet character” and her headlining Detective was probably a selling point so Rucka didn’t go to Marvel at some point. He isn’t an exclusive anymore.
    Of course this is all conjecture. :)
    Um, didn’t Gotham Central get cancelled?

  12. Johnny-Two Says:

    J.H. Williams is an awesome artist, look at the “Black Hand” arc in Batman for evidence. I just wonder how frequent those 12 or so issues are going to be? Last time he was on Detective he lasted like 1 or 2 issues.

  13. matchesmalone Says:

    You gotta be trippin’ if you think Mr. Williams will draw 12 issues of this title in a row. He was announced as the regular penciller on Mr. Dini’s run a couple years ago, and he did like, 3 issues in a row, then maybe one or two more after some fill-ins. Same deal on Batman – he was “the” artist with Mr. Morrison, and that didn’t last the duration of a trade paperback.

    Nothing personal, I lurve Mr. Williams’ artwork and have bought most of what he’s drawn, it’s just that he’s pretty consistently not a fast penciller – probably because he puts so much care and attention into the design as well as the execution of his pages.

  14. D. Peace Says:

    Jake – Ah, I see.

    Johnny – I didn’t say “highest selling” I said “best”. And it was.

  15. Ken B. Says:

    JH Williams only did the first issue of Dini’s run, then Don Kramer had to step in and be better than him (Kramer gets no respect).

    Then he just sat around for the script to Seven Soldiers #1 to arrive, then did that arc in Batman with Morrison.

  16. Corey Henson Says:

    The hair thing was in reference to the fact that Tim was blown up really bad and had some two face level scarring. I remember thinking it would be magically undone before battle for the cowl started, and not shockingly it was magically undone without explanation on the last panel of the six issue story arc.

    Thanks for explaining that. I honestly had no idea what they were talking about, hence the snark.

  17. Cisco Kid Says:

    I agree with Ken B. I don’t want to see Grayson become Red Robin, albeit for a different reason. I have no problem with the Alex Rossification of characters if handled properly, but the Red Robin name and costume has been beaten to death over the last year.

    First it was Jason Todd in the god awful Countdown. Then he inexplicably throws it away and some guy named the General starts wearing it. Then Robin (Drake) wears the hood for a cup of coffee until his massively scarred face healed.

    At this point, Dick Grayson would be Red Robin IV. Overkill.

  18. Lucas Siegel Says:

    To clear up the hair thing a bit, it wasn’t “Two Face level scarring” by any means. The burn marks were red and blistering, both indications of first and second degree burns, something that can and will absolutely heal (3rd degree will often leave permanent scarring, but the marks shortly after being burned are black, like charred wood). I just saw it as we’d jumped forward in time some…

  19. SageShini Says:

    “Nothing personal, I lurve Mr. Williams’ artwork and have bought most of what he’s drawn, it’s just that he’s pretty consistently not a fast penciller – probably because he puts so much care and attention into the design as well as the execution of his pages.”

    —————————————————-

    Its probably a good thing, then, that he’s been working on this book for a year now. :D He’s got to be done with at least half of this work already, and the book won’t even hit until for another four months. Unless he pulls a JG Jones, I’m sure we’ll get all 12 issues.

  20. matches_malone Says:

    SageShini – if I had told you a year ago that a good portion of the last few issues of Final Crisis would be drawn by a guy who had one 3-issue series from Image/Shadowhawk under his belt (Marco Rudy, artist of Under the Cape), who mentioned on his blog that he learned to ink recently… I bet you wouldn’t have believed it. Me neither, but hence I am dubious about this not for Mr. Williams’ efforts but for DC’s track record. I would certainly take a bet if the other person thought Mr. Williams would draw 12 consecutive, monthly, on-time issues of this title …

  21. Jolyn Says:

    Gosh, I wish I would have had that infomrtoain earlier!

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