Comments on: Final Crisis is finally over! Man, I hope you didn’t wait for the trade… http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Thu, 23 May 2013 16:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: markw http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458459 markw Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:30:09 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458459 I went out and bought all the Morrison "approved" tie-ins and read the whole thing in one long sitting. It felt disjointed, and still I could barely keep the plot together when I got to FC7. While the art in Submit was disappointing, I liked how the issue slotted into the event and stretched it out a bit. It was a long action sequence that worked as a relief from the crazyass cross cutting in FC proper. I think the Superman Beyond issues totally worked in the same way. The Batman issues were disjointed, too, but I think they helped the pacing. I went out and bought all the Morrison “approved” tie-ins and read the whole thing in one long sitting. It felt disjointed, and still I could barely keep the plot together when I got to FC7. While the art in Submit was disappointing, I liked how the issue slotted into the event and stretched it out a bit. It was a long action sequence that worked as a relief from the crazyass cross cutting in FC proper. I think the Superman Beyond issues totally worked in the same way. The Batman issues were disjointed, too, but I think they helped the pacing.

]]> By: caleb http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458155 caleb Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:45:30 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458155 <i>Hawkman and Hawkgirl died? How the heck did I miss that?</i> I THINK so. I'm really just going off the one panel with the two feathers in itnear the end, next to Batman's cowl and J'onn's pyramid. I guess Hawkman was just like, Well, I'm going on a suicide run now, and she was like, not without me, and then they were caught in an explosion. So maybe they're not dead, and if they are, they'll just reincarnate anyway. <i>But why do you think the story occurs out of continuity?</i> Oh, parts of it seem to and others don't. I thought the changing the title was DC kind of admitting that. I haven't reread it since it came out, but if I recall correctly, it was set as the Anti-Life Equation was about to be broadcast and the world about to end (which the heroes didn't really know about well enough to prepare for as they were shown doing throughout the book). At that point, Batman was captured by the evil gods, but he's shown there hanging out with his boys. Superman was either at Lois' bedside, or in the future, or Beyond, but he was shown hanging out with his dad. Green Lantern was arrested on Oa, and Wally was hanging with Barry, but they're seen hanging out together. The Geo-Force plot line doesn't really contradict Final Crisis, but he blames Slade for his sister's death, not Black Adam, who actually killed her in World War III. Hawkman and Hawkgirl died? How the heck did I miss that?

I THINK so. I’m really just going off the one panel with the two feathers in itnear the end, next to Batman’s cowl and J’onn’s pyramid. I guess Hawkman was just like, Well, I’m going on a suicide run now, and she was like, not without me, and then they were caught in an explosion. So maybe they’re not dead, and if they are, they’ll just reincarnate anyway.

But why do you think the story occurs out of continuity?

Oh, parts of it seem to and others don’t. I thought the changing the title was DC kind of admitting that. I haven’t reread it since it came out, but if I recall correctly, it was set as the Anti-Life Equation was about to be broadcast and the world about to end (which the heroes didn’t really know about well enough to prepare for as they were shown doing throughout the book). At that point, Batman was captured by the evil gods, but he’s shown there hanging out with his boys. Superman was either at Lois’ bedside, or in the future, or Beyond, but he was shown hanging out with his dad. Green Lantern was arrested on Oa, and Wally was hanging with Barry, but they’re seen hanging out together.

The Geo-Force plot line doesn’t really contradict Final Crisis, but he blames Slade for his sister’s death, not Black Adam, who actually killed her in World War III.

]]> By: Robert Repici http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458149 Robert Repici Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:34:50 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458149 I actually rather enjoyed Brad Meltzer's "Last Will and Testament" one-shot, even though it was essentially a Geo-Force revenge story. I found it fascinating that Meltzer kind of delved into how the heroes of the DC Universe handle the thought of the so-called "real" end of the world. (I absolutely loved the vignette with Captain Cold.) But why do you think the story occurs out of continuity? I actually rather enjoyed Brad Meltzer’s “Last Will and Testament” one-shot, even though it was essentially a Geo-Force revenge story. I found it fascinating that Meltzer kind of delved into how the heroes of the DC Universe handle the thought of the so-called “real” end of the world. (I absolutely loved the vignette with Captain Cold.) But why do you think the story occurs out of continuity?

]]> By: Trailsong http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458145 Trailsong Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:42:23 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458145 Yeah, I was kinda confused on the Hawks' deaths as well. (Not that they die for long periods of time, anyway.) But just as Kendra's really on her own from her origin in Johns' JSA run, Morrison offs her kind of peripherally in this issue... and even so, not very obviously so. I've had to re-read the issue multiple multiple times to try and make sense of who lived, who died, where the Fifth World gods ended up, and what the point of the Cosplay League really was... and I still can't quite make heads or tails of it. This might just be the first time I actually appreciate the seemingly normal groundbreaking ideas he put into his JLA run. Yeah, I was kinda confused on the Hawks’ deaths as well. (Not that they die for long periods of time, anyway.) But just as Kendra’s really on her own from her origin in Johns’ JSA run, Morrison offs her kind of peripherally in this issue… and even so, not very obviously so. I’ve had to re-read the issue multiple multiple times to try and make sense of who lived, who died, where the Fifth World gods ended up, and what the point of the Cosplay League really was… and I still can’t quite make heads or tails of it.

This might just be the first time I actually appreciate the seemingly normal groundbreaking ideas he put into his JLA run.

]]> By: RussBurlingame http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458123 RussBurlingame Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:49:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458123 I'm down for a Bat-Caveman/Booster Gold team-up before all this is done. I’m down for a Bat-Caveman/Booster Gold team-up before all this is done.

]]> By: Cisco Kid http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458093 Cisco Kid Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:13:54 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458093 I dragged out my entire Final Crisis set all the way back to DC Universe 0 (which I had totally forgot about until I found it in the stack next to FC1). I bought the whole shebang, but never actually read Revelations or Superman Beyond. I plan to read it all start to end in "proper Morrison order" this weekend to see if it reads better collected. I dragged out my entire Final Crisis set all the way back to DC Universe 0 (which I had totally forgot about until I found it in the stack next to FC1). I bought the whole shebang, but never actually read Revelations or Superman Beyond. I plan to read it all start to end in “proper Morrison order” this weekend to see if it reads better collected.

]]> By: barryreese http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458092 barryreese Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:39:24 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458092 Hawkman and Hawkgirl died? How the heck did I miss that? They got a surprising amount of (badly written) face time in the final issue but I missed their actual deaths.... Hawkman and Hawkgirl died? How the heck did I miss that? They got a surprising amount of (badly written) face time in the final issue but I missed their actual deaths….

]]> By: FC http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458086 FC Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:13:41 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458086 What's been done here....i.e. the past 7 to 8 months of Morisson's work will not get its full appreciation right now. But in the long run I think people will finally come to understand the boundaries he's broken in mainstream comics. The array of mind blowing concepts and the ever super dense continuity can be seen as a hallmark. Doing all this with big time characters such as Superman and Batman together with the rest of the DC universe/multiverse could only have been done by this man. Though I hate the whole Fourth World idea of there being "gods" metaphorical or otherwise...I must as a comic book reader applaud this guy's imagination. What’s been done here….i.e. the past 7 to 8 months of Morisson’s work will not get its full appreciation right now. But in the long run I think people will finally come to understand the boundaries he’s broken in mainstream comics.
The array of mind blowing concepts and the ever super dense continuity can be seen as a hallmark. Doing all this with big time characters such as Superman and Batman together with the rest of the DC universe/multiverse could only have been done by this man.
Though I hate the whole Fourth World idea of there being “gods” metaphorical or otherwise…I must as a comic book reader applaud this guy’s imagination.

]]> By: Auguste Miller http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458081 Auguste Miller Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:08:31 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458081 Ill read it in HC. Ill read it in HC.

]]> By: caleb http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458080 caleb Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:05:05 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458080 <i>You missed Rogues Revenge.</i> Wow, I sure did. I honestly forgot that was ever even released (Um, I didn't read that one. Obviously). <i>I think this should lead directly into a Morrison Brave & the Bold series set in the Stone Age</i> I'm definitely down for <i>The Brave and The Bold: B.C.</i> <i>When Superman beyond is collected will it have the 3-D sections or not and will it come with 3-D glasses or not?</i> I'm not sure how it would work in a tpb, but the last LOEG story, <i>Black Dossier</i>, was a hardcover with a little plastic envelope on the back jacket flap with the glasses tucked in, and that worked out nicely. You missed Rogues Revenge.

Wow, I sure did. I honestly forgot that was ever even released (Um, I didn’t read that one. Obviously).

I think this should lead directly into a Morrison Brave & the Bold series set in the Stone Age

I’m definitely down for The Brave and The Bold: B.C.

When Superman beyond is collected will it have the 3-D sections or not and will it come with 3-D glasses or not?

I’m not sure how it would work in a tpb, but the last LOEG story, Black Dossier, was a hardcover with a little plastic envelope on the back jacket flap with the glasses tucked in, and that worked out nicely.

]]> By: Mark Cook http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458079 Mark Cook Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:52:47 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458079 They put 3D glasses in the Superman: Last Son and The League of Extraodinary Gentlemen: The Black Casebook hardcovers; paperbacks can't be much worse. They put 3D glasses in the Superman: Last Son and The League of Extraodinary Gentlemen: The Black Casebook hardcovers; paperbacks can’t be much worse.

]]> By: moon http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458073 moon Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:17:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458073 When Superman beyond is collected will it have the 3-D sections or not and will it come with 3-D glasses or not? Trying to put the glasses in a paperback seems like a nightmare to me, but I know nothing about publishing. I already have the issues, just curious if the trade waiters will be screwed in another way somehow, either by being robbed of the 3-D or given a 3-D book missing the means of reading it. When Superman beyond is collected will it have the 3-D sections or not and will it come with 3-D glasses or not? Trying to put the glasses in a paperback seems like a nightmare to me, but I know nothing about publishing. I already have the issues, just curious if the trade waiters will be screwed in another way somehow, either by being robbed of the 3-D or given a 3-D book missing the means of reading it.

]]> By: Richard Pachter http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458072 Richard Pachter Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:53:58 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458072 Disco Dan DiDio really ought to consider a phonebook-size Final Crisis Omnibus with Grant's "essential" chapters: Final Crisis #1-3 Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1-2 Final Crisis: Submit Final Crisis #4 -5 Batman #682-683 Final Crisis #6-7 Disco Dan DiDio really ought to consider a phonebook-size Final Crisis Omnibus with Grant’s “essential” chapters:
Final Crisis #1-3
Final Crisis: Superman Beyond #1-2
Final Crisis: Submit
Final Crisis #4 -5
Batman #682-683
Final Crisis #6-7

]]> By: Jake http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458071 Jake Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:41:56 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458071 You didn't mention the sketchbook or the Director's Cut of FC 1, but they were really only peripheral things that just fleshed out some of the ideas that were hinted at in FC, so I forgive you. You didn’t mention the sketchbook or the Director’s Cut of FC 1, but they were really only peripheral things that just fleshed out some of the ideas that were hinted at in FC, so I forgive you.

]]> By: buttler http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458070 buttler Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:18:10 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458070 I think this should lead directly into a Morrison Brave & the Bold series set in the Stone Age. First issue could be Batman & Anthro, then Batman & Tor; Batman & Kong the Untamed; Batman & Gnarrk; Batman & Vandar Adg; Batman & the Immortal Man, Batman & Captain Caveman ... I think this should lead directly into a Morrison Brave & the Bold series set in the Stone Age.

First issue could be Batman & Anthro, then Batman & Tor; Batman & Kong the Untamed; Batman & Gnarrk; Batman & Vandar Adg; Batman & the Immortal Man, Batman & Captain Caveman …

]]> By: Ray Cornwall http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458069 Ray Cornwall Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:32:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458069 Also: Final Crisis Secret Files, which had the origin of Libra by Len Wein. Also: Final Crisis Secret Files, which had the origin of Libra by Len Wein.

]]> By: Ray Cornwall http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/01/29/final-crisis-is-finally-over-man-i-hope-you-didnt-wait-for-the-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-458068 Ray Cornwall Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:32:05 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10811#comment-458068 You missed Rogues Revenge. Then again, it's really only tangentially related to FC. Nice story, but someone other than me would have to explain why it was an FC spinoff. You missed Rogues Revenge. Then again, it’s really only tangentially related to FC. Nice story, but someone other than me would have to explain why it was an FC spinoff.

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