During this week’s Comic Book Club in New York City, X-Factor writer Peter David made an interesting point as the comedic trio each took potshots at Jeph Loeb’s Ultimate Hulk Annual #1 (which, at this point, really has taken a bit of a beating by reviewers).
While people have said that the story was cartoonish and trite, David argued (starting at 02:43) that was because they were not viewing it in the proper context — that this was meant to be a light-hearted, lightweight story, but that people couldn’t see that because of the A-list art by Ed McGuinness and Marko Djurdjevic.
In other words, what if that story — in which a naked, pancake-craving Ultimate Hulk battles a ticked-off Power Princess (from J. Michael Strazcynski’s Supreme Power), culminating in them randomly sleeping together — was drawn by Sergio Aragones? Or Kevin Maguire? Or Darrick Robertson?
Which brings us to an interesting question, one that really burrows down to the foundation of any individual issue: the relationship between art, expectation, and tone.
For example, Mark Millar’s Ultimates series was meant to be high-octane action with a healthy dollop of today’s post-9/11 cynicism. Shown through the “camera” of Bryan Hitch, the series was larger than life yet extremely down to earth — characters’ abs were not seen bursting through their spandex, and costume designs such as Iron Man’s armor were not the streamlined outfits of old, but more clunky, realistic images. The level of detail meant that readers took the story seriously, and because Millar worked strenuously to create a world not too different from ours, the series was a critically-acclaimed success.
Now imagine, if you will, if Rafael Albuquerque drew Ultimates. I can pretty much assure you that the series would not have ranked nearly as well, because Albuquerque’s style is more cartoony and emotional. In other words, good chops, but not for this story.
Continuing on this thread, let’s look at the series that has worked wonders for Albuquerque — Blue Beetle. While the series does have action to it, the tone of the series is characterization and comedy. No Michael Bay explosions here. Of course, with the additional comedy, it’s a series that readers, subconsciously or not, are willing to take greater patience with. For example, one issue of Blue Beetle had Eclipso unleash Jaime Reyes’ power fantasy in a one-on-one battle with rough-around-the-edges pal Paco. The problem with Eclipso’s plan: Jaime’s power fantasy is being a 30-year-old dentist. Would Bryan Hitch have been able to really nail this joke? Well, again, this is the relationship between art and tone.
Perhaps my favorite team when it comes to expectations and tone is a fairly old-school pick: Devin Grayson and Roger Robinson’s Batman: Gotham Knight. A series of more-or-less self-contained stories, Grayson’s writing waxed introspective, with lots of internal monologues and increasing psychological drama roiling beneath Batman’s surface. As the main thrust of Grayson’s series exploded during Bruce Wayne: Murderer, the main question became whether or not Batman’s inner demons, long responsible for his mystique and power, were now tearing him apart from the inside. Robinson’s use of shadows and light helped play up the psychological impact — Batman was both human and demon, a fiercesome presence both in action and in stillness, a figure whose internal struggles were as apparent as his brooding nature. The art set the stage for moodiness and action, and Devin Grayson’s script delivered.
How about some more? Let’s look at the dark side, now — the mismatches.
It’s difficult to find true representations of a poor match, simply because more often you will find that artists come and go, and if they don’t click, it’s more forgettable than actually detrimental to a particular series. (And particularly ugly artists don’t hurt a series due to tone — they hurt a series due to really, really horrible art.) Another reason is that one (of many) jobs for an editor is to help mix and match suitable talents for suitable series. But if you look closely enough at it, mismatches do exist.
Take, for example, All Star Batman and Robin, which suffers in much the same way (not quite as intensely, but close, and over a longer period of time) of the Hulk annual. (Although one could certainly argue that Jim Lee’s art is good enough to read on its own, without the words.)
Another mismatch might have been the second and third arcs for Mark Waid’s Fantastic Four series. Mike Wieringo’s cartoony style was spectacular for the proto-Incredibles, “day in the life” first arc — these were not just rock ‘em-sock ‘em heroes, but a family with its own quirks and comic moments. But the second arc — in which Doctor Doom brutally murders his ex-girlfriend to turn her skin into magical armor (eww), traumatizes little Franklin Richards by sending him to fend for himself against demons in Hell, and possesses little Valeria Richards and speaks through her as a puppet using creepy sorcery — well, Wieringo’s style came off as a bit too wholesome and positive for such a dark story.
Meanwhile, Howard Porter, well-known for action and energy in JLA, had a weird arc in Fantastic Four with “Authoritative Action” — this is not an artist known for his introspective or cerebral work, so the fact that he was drawing what was mainly a political thriller with an fight sequence coda left Waid’s story a bit flat, editorial behind-the-scenes drama notwithstanding. Obviously, there are times when pinch-hitting is unavoidable — and sometimes, even the best writers can’t write stories to utilize their artists’ strengths — but when a mismatch occurs like this, even the best-laid stories (like the proactive War on Terror metaphor behind this particular story) can really lose their creative spark.
Sometimes, the very premise of a series will preclude certain creators. John Byrne’s short-lived Doom Patrol is certainly one of those series. Since the team became known as a sort of “avengers of the avant garde” through the work of Grant Morrison, Byrne’s straightforward pencils and storytelling just didn’t fit. Byrne can still draw the heck out of Superman, but when working with the subconscious terrors that haunt the Doom Patrol, his style just doesn’t set up the alienness of their world. (But imagine if you put Frank Quitely, Doug Mahnke, or J.G. Jones on board.)
Now what do you think? Are there any partnerships that transcend the sum of their parts? Any matches made in Hell? What if… Rob Liefeld drew the Power Pack?
January 10th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Kelley Jones drawing the Runaways?
Alex Ross doing an Impulse arc?
Humberto Ramos on the Punisher?
Rob Leifeld on . . . anything?
January 10th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
“Rob Leifeld on . . . anything?”
Hahah.
January 10th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Rob Liefeld can stick to drawing fanatical, “End Times” stuff that I will happily ignore.
January 10th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I hate to get nitpicky, David, but this opening line has me puzzled:
“During this week’s Comic Book Club in New York City, X-Factor writer Peter David made an interesting point as the comedic trio each took potshots at Jeph Loeb’s Ultimate Hulk Annual #1″
Now I’ve met Peter David, and he’s got a big personality, but Peter David alone is a “trio”?
January 11th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Interesting that it took a comment by Peter David to spark this off. This is an age-old question and you should look at it from artists who change their style for a given title.
Bill Sienkewiecz on New Mutants was jarring but considering the Demon Bear storyline we came in on, suited it. Probably my favorite superhero comic of all time Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow probably would have taken on a new life if it was drawn by Neal Adams (even better Gary Leach or Alan Davis) instead of Curt Swan because of the devastating storyline. I remember people complaining about Mike Zeck’s smooth art for the first Punisher mini and thought that Klaus Janson’s style fit the gritty world of Frank Castle better. But you can argue that point easily.
From the other side, artists are now twisting their style to fit the material. More recently I’m sure fans of Kaare Andrews art on The Wonderlanders or Grimm and Logan were shocked that it was the same guy drawing those Hulk covers or the same Skottie Young who drew New Warriors as the same guy on the new Oz series…these artists are interesting because they adapt and like the better actors in Hollywood try not to get typecast.
Lastly, I’d like to comment on context – when you pick up part 1 of a story like the FF story you mention – if you read one and see the art and it doesnt fit its because you dont have the full story. If you read that FF story all at one go Mike’s STORYTELLING makes Waid’s story work and you take the cartoony style as a “style” and not reflecting of the horror-driven story – its like why dont they just cast ugly people for horror movies instead of good looking ones?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:00 am
@Shaun
The show is hosted by a trio(Justin, Alex and Pete) and they are pretty funny.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:38 am
…yeah. Maguire could’ve “sold” that Ult.Hulk/Power Princess story.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Any comic reviewer who can’t tell the difference between the art of Ed McGuinness and Mark Djurdjevic should probably NOT be reviewing comic art. If ED McG drew the whole story he could have sold the humor element, his work is hugely influenced by cartoons abd anime. One need only look a those first 10 pages that he actually DID draw to see that he could nail it.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
This article makes several good points, art and script should be related, can you imagine Ed McG drawing Punisher MAX or Criminal? or Maleev in Loeb’s Hulk?, that’s why there are many artists with many different styles, so you can have options and make the better choice (well, not always, but still). Peace.
January 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
As always, Rob Liefeld appreciates all the attention he receives in the blogosphere.
And if I drew Power Pack it would rock.
Do you think that a Liefeld Avengers or a Liefeld Wolverine would suffer in sales? Do you think that any artist sells Avengers nowadays or does it sell itself regardless because its a proven brand?
Discuss amongst yourselves….
January 11th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Anything Liefeld draws I will be buying multiple copies of it. Power Pack or X-Force.
January 11th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Liefeld on Power Pack would definitely rock.
January 11th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Bring on Power Pack! Written by Jeph Loeb and Drawn by Rob Liefeld!
January 11th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
What Marvelrules said- Rob draws it, I am there. Absolutely.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
The problem isn’t Ultimate Hulk or ASBAR or Rob Liefeld. It’s the need of a subset of fanatics who think they are literary critics and judge everything with those skewed expectations in mind are missing the point. And you can say all you want about Liefeld but Rob sold more comics than just about anyone, back when they were still mainstream, The fact that he annoys so many online fanboys whose self esteem is linked to what other people think about the comics they read is a good sign because it means he’s doing something right. I hope Liefeld, Miller and Lee keep chipping away with comics that annoy online fanboys for many years to come.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
And another thing…it’s completely ridiculous to say Ed MCg can’t draw a Punisher comic. He’s a professional and can adapt his style if need be to fit the tone of a story. You guys seem to think only writers have any kind of creative range. Some of the most mature comicwork I have ever seen is done in a style of art that doesn’t “fit the tone”.
Like it or not artists matter in comics, it’s not just the writer or the brand that sells. PAD may be one of the best writers around, but if he starts drawing his own comics I wonder how many people will stick around to read them, even on the biggest brand in comics.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
“Rob Leifeld on . . . anything?”
I’ll finish that sentence, “Rob Liefeld on…anything…would totally rock. Rob on Power Pack would sell 40K easily.”
January 11th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
I for one loved the Waid/Ringo FF. Mike’s art only underlined the horror of Doom’s actions.
And I’d buy Rob’s Power Pack too.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Bah, forget a Liefeld Power Pack. I demand a Liefeld Masters of the Universe series.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Liefeld on Archie! Make it happen Archie comics! Veronica was made to be a grim katana weilding cyborg ninja from the future. And she needs pouches… lots and lots of pouches.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Hey, if Rob wound up on an issue of Power Pack, that would be the first one I would buy since junior high.
Why is it that the Liefeld name is always dropped in a negative manner, even when it has nothing to do with the subject matter being discussed?
It’s like the idiot jock in Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure who gives a dumb, boring report, but then ends it with “San Dimas High School Football RULES!” in order to rile up the assembled.
There ya go. Boring article. And rile up the anti-Liefeld contingent. Gotta love it.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Something that shouldn’t have worked, but did: Curt Swan, “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?” Swan over Moore’s ultimate Superman story. A dead Luthor with his neck broken, being possessed by Braniac. Mxyzptlk reimagined as demon. Shouldn’t have worked. As it turned out, it was genius. Wholesome, yet entirely creepy. Kinda like when Julie Andrews showed her boobs in S.O.B.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I would buy Rob on Power Pack. That’s different enough to get my attention.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I would buy a Liefeld Power Pack. I think Liefeld would be a great fit in bridging new readers into the established heroes fold over at marvel. I would give him the Marvel Adventures line in a heartbeat
January 13th, 2009 at 11:47 am
What if Rob Liefeld… would be free to do whatevere he wants, without the reaction of people who have nothing to do all day but write silly things on the net?
January 13th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I’d buy anything this man draws!
A Liefeld Power Pack would be great!
January 15th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
If Rob Liefeld didn’t exist guys like David Pepose would have nothing to write about. Pointless article. I buy anything drawn by Liefeld.
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