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A really messy subject.

December 20th, 2008
Author Sarah Jaffe

There’s been drama in the blogosphere over a recent decision ruling that a sexual Simpsons cartoon is child pornography and therefore illegal. It’s even spread into areas of the blog-world not normally known to discuss CBLDF issues.

I know Jeff plans to do a breakdown of the legal issues on this case, and so I’m not going to mess with that. My thought process is a little different, here. I know this will be a thorny issue, and I hope that if there’s discussion it can remain civil. There are very good arguments on all sides.

Ready? Then read on.

Pornography is a contentious issue. Many of the arguments against it center around the harm it does to the people who perform to create it. The normal argument is that it’s exploitative, that it’s harmful to people to have sex for a living, that it’s coercive, etc. That’s an argument that I just don’t want to have here. Suffice it to say that laws against child pornography tend to be based on this type of thought process–it’s harmful to children to perform sex acts and have them videotaped. I’m fairly sure no one’s going to argue that point.

The common anti-porn feminist argument is that pornography hurts all women because of the way it depicts them. That it shapes the way men think about women, and causes them to treat women the way they see women treated in pornography. Laws preventing children from buying porn come from this half of the thought process–that they can be harmed by seeing things. It’s also the rationale that leads to movie rating systems and the like.

The argument against cartoon child porn comes from this as well. No actual children are being harmed, and in this particular case it’s not about children seeing the pornographic cartoons. It’s a case in which someone admittedly quite tasteless drew sexual cartoons of The Simpsons, and an adult was in possession of them.

Neil Gaiman wrote:

The idea that you could be arrested in the Western World for having that image in your computer is mind-boggling, let alone for owning Lost Girls, or for doodling members of the Peanuts gang doing things they tended not to do in the Schulz comics, or for reading Harry Potter slash, or owning the Brass Eye Paedophilia special. And, I should warn members of the Australian judiciary, fictional characters don’t just have sex. Sometimes they murder each other, and take fictional drugs, and are cruel to fictional animals, and throw fictional babies off roofs. Crimes, crime everywhere.

It is interesting, isn’t it, that there are no laws that criminalize fictional portrayals of violence. You can draw a picture of Maggie Simpson being beheaded and her corpse thrown to the dogs (sorry for that visual) and not have to fear that someone will show up on your doorstep and arrest you.

Not only that, but you can defend someone’s right to draw that picture, or to own it, without being accused of secretly being a fan of beheading babies. But if you have pictures of cartoon child porn hanging around, you’re accused of secretly being a fan of sex with children.

We did see outcry after the Columbine shootings, where people wanted to blame violent video games or Marilyn Manson. But not on the sustained, steady basis that outcries against pornography come.

Some communications scholars look at three parts of a communication: the sender, the message, and the receiver. When I was an English major, we tended to study the text and ignore the motivations of the author. But our readings were always dependent on who we were.

Another blogger wrote:

I don’t think that this is about free speech. I don’t think that this is about what’s being depicted. I think that this is about losing sight of what crime actually is

The problem with applying performativity as predictive — one of the most common applications being the common anti-porn argument that what is seen in fantasy will be done in reality — is that stories become the basis for the ways in which we evaluate other people. Explanations, whether accurate or not, become the basis for our judgments. And ultimately, explanations become applied on the basis of similarity. Performativity become prediction, and prediction becomes prevention. And the more that we invest in prevention, the less similarity we require.

All people who watch adult porn don’t commit the things they see in porn, just like all people who watch violent movies and play violent video games and listen to violent music don’t commit violent crimes. Media just does not have that direct an effect on people. (If it did, there’d be a whole lot more people running around in spandex costumes fighting crime.) So logically, perhaps, all people who watch virtual child porn will not molest children, just as all people who read Lolita do not molest children. But should we put them away on the basis of what they might do because of the drawings they have lying around?

The PROTECT Act (which is the U.S. version of the law that bans ‘virtual’ child porn) covers the possibility of adult actors photoshopped to look younger. This tends to make at least a bit more sense than worry over a filthy Simpsons cartoon–photoshopped adults could actually be mistaken for younger people, and could potentially be much more disturbing.

I believe that speech and depictions do have power. I do point out the flaws with portrayals of women in film and in comics. And I’d probably be really freaked out if a guy I was dating had pictures of Maggie Simpson having sex on his computer. I tend not to want to solve those problems with censorship–I would rather see more women writers and artists in comics than see the men who create problematic portrayals fired. I see the cure for bad speech as more speech, not as stopping speech.

The argument can be made that actual porn is not just speech. But in the case of a drawing–even a really, really disgusting one–that’s all that’s at stake.

I draw the line at making it a crime to own a drawing. And I don’t want to see this slippery slope started.

10 Responses to “A really messy subject.”
  1. Kimota94 Says:

    Great post, Sarah… and yes, I think you’ll end up starting a firestorm of reaction here, based on posts I’ve read elsewhere in the comics blogosphere.

    I really wish the focus on the issue of child pornography would remain on protecting (and, in some cases, that means rescuing) the victims of it. The flesh and blood victims, not cartoon characters who don’t really exist. The points that you and Neil make about how violence – even violence directed against children – seems to be fine in fiction, whereas sex is taboo, goes right along with the double standard that exists where adult sex & violence are concerned. So I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

  2. JR Says:

    It doesn’t matter. Fictional or not, if a person gets off to cartoon child pornography then they pretty much do to the real thing.

  3. Robert Frost Says:

    uh huh, and all those guys with the pickup trucks with decals of Calvin peeing on a Honda must get off on golden showers. That makes a lot of sense. Do you have a series of psychological studies that back up that judgement?

    You’re making the assumption that they guy was aroused by the Simpsons picture he had. Maybe he just thought it was goofy. Maybe he is a Simpsons collector. Maybe he does get horny thinking of three fingered yellow people with bulging eyes and no chin.

    The point is, whatever the motivation – he did nothing at all that harmed anyone – and that is what should be the criteria for a crime. No one was harmed in the production of that cartoon and no-one was harmed in the ownership of it.

    The last thing we need is thought police regulating motivation.

  4. Infra Says:

    Fictional or not, if a person gets off to cartoon child pornography then they pretty much do to the real thing.

    It’s interesting to see that people seem to employ this logic — but only in one direction. How about the other: that if a person gets off to cartoon child pornography, then they pretty much wish that they had been molested as a child.

    The only way to avoid that idea is to assume that this only works one way. That adults always identify with the adults in cartoons, or movies, or what have you. That they always identify with the powerful. But even casual conversation is likely to disprove that. Some people identify with the child in Pan’s Labyrinth, for example. Or see echoes of themselves in other characters; or see in them the life that they wish that they had lived, or a life for which they can feel sympathy. Even empathy.

    Sometimes people identify with victims. Sometimes they identify with the disempowered. Sometimes it helps them deal with their own histories as abuse victims, and sometimes it’s just a way of coming to terms with what happens during the course of a life — theirs, or someone else’s. And sometimes it’s about wanting to feel what it would be like to surrender to someone, to give up the possession of power at least for a while.

    But people don’t seem to mention that side of it.

    It’s easier to understand people if you don’t actually have to understand them.

    (Hopefully this isn’t a double-post. I got an error trying to send it through last time.)

  5. Evan Waters Says:

    It occurs to me this could mean that collections of Tijuana Bibles get pulled off shelves.

  6. YV Says:

    Did this take place in America or Australia? I confuse the two, because both seem so hung up on sex! We’re all nasty behind closed doors, and yet admitting it is horrible! At least Australia also abhors violence. They’re not like us in that respect. They ban “mature” games all the time

    This guy who is digging the Simpsons porn is most definitely a weirdo of some sort, but the stuff isn’t real. It’s even less real since it’s based on the Simpsons. If this is all the guy’s into, what harm does it do? Maybe someone can provide evidence that links buying fake stuff to being into the real thing, but I haven’t seen anything to link the two yet.

    We all enjoy fake stuff, which depicts real, horrible acts. When should we go to jail?

  7. Asterios Says:

    In general, an crudely drawn image of Babs & Buster Bunny fornicating isn’t going to hurt anyone. But it’s not as simple as, “If it isn’t real, it isn’t hurting anyone!”

    One of the things that’s never brought up when this topic is discussed is photorealistic, anatomically correct, virtual child pornography. That’s the problem. Is it OK to produce, own, or pleasure yourself to images of children that look so real they’re practically photos?

    No actual kids were harmed in their creation, but do they perpetuate harm?

  8. YV Says:

    Well, now you’re asking Tom Cruise to bring his precrime unit in. Who is to say that a leads to b? Does imitation of reality lead to reality? Most of us are entertained by depictions of murder, sexual situations, etc. How many of us actually carry those out? Maybe people who are into illustrated depictions of child pornography are more “off” than we “normal” people, but does that mean that they would handily jump from fictional pornography to real pornography?

  9. Asterios Says:

    @YV

    I don’t know, I’m posing the question myself. I have no idea if looking at simulated child pornography helps someone who’s bent towards such images take the next step towards viewing actual child porn, or worse. Do you think it doesn’t?

  10. YV Says:

    I think that the way you might be able to tell is by looking at the signs of past offenders who really went after children and you might be able to tell who is more likely to commit these crimes.

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