As a preview for the full interview that will be posted today on Newsarama (the mothership connection, y’all), here’s Matt Brady talking to Dan Didio about the aftermath of Batman R.I.P. Recall, if you will that R.I.P. actually rolled right into Last Rites (which segues into Final Crisis). Have a look . . .
Let’s talk about Batman. Something that came up in a lot of the commentary and criticism of “Batman R.I.P.” is that the storyline was built and built and built – Grant himself made pronouncements about it at the New York Comic Con as being one of the most definition stories for Batman. And then at the end of R.I.P., we get a “death” scene that we have seen before – no body, and a question mark as to what even happened. To me, this seems like it was a case where the hype, or people’s expectations overtook the story’s ability to deliver…
DD: Here’s the conundrum on this one. And this is reflective of the world that we live in now – the world of collected editions. The R.I.P. story was always meant to play through to the end of Final Crisis - always. The thing is, we had to come up with a very complete story in “Batman R.I.P.” as it existed in its title. The reality is that the “Batman R.I.P.” story does not conclude until Final Crisis #6. There are also issues #682 and #683 of Batman that feed directly into Final Crisis #6, and we’ll have a big finale to the Batman storyline. That’s how it plays out.
But as I said, because we live in the world of collected editions, we needed a conclusion in the Batman series, so that we could collect it properly within Batman, without having to bring in segments of Final Crisis to complete the story.
NRAMA: So – fundamentally, “Batman R.I.P” did not end in Batman #681?
DD: Correct. We have the two parts that we’re in the middle of now, and they lead us into Final Crisis #6 which gives us a definite conclusion to the Batman story. That’s how Grant designed the story from the start, and that’s how the story plays out. So, the people who are looking for the big finale, the stuff that Grant was talking about – he knows how big an ending he has, because he wrote it in Final Crisis #6. That story has been so planned out that it reflects events from the pages of Final Crisis #1 in order to pull it all together.
So the Batman story has been hinted at in Final Crisis #1 - we couldn’t allude to it, because we didn’t want to play our hand too early with that. The fascinating thing about what Grant has done is that he’s telling a major story in the life of Batman while he’s telling a major event across the DC Universe with Final Crisis. And the two are linked.
NRAMA: So Final Crisis #6 is like when you’re driving on, say, I-40 and it merges with another for a while, and you get the road signs telling you that you’re on two highways at the same time…and you follow another highway out other than the one you went in on.
DD: Exactly. And Batman #682 and #683 are reflective of things that took place earlier in Final Crisis as well.
NRAMA: That said, it took you a few minutes there to explain where the story “really” went and ended, and yet, there’s the clear perception, at least until this word gets out, that R.I.P ended with Batman #681. What can you do, or can you do anything when you see fans reading along, and coming to a point where collectively, they say, “What the hell?” In the meantime, you know where the story goes from where they think it ended, and you know that the story has a more satisfying conclusion than the one they are looking for, but it’s somewhere else. Do just bite the bullet and wait for the tide to turn in regards to fan sentiment?
DD: Honestly, I enjoyed the ending of R.I.P. in Batman, so I felt satisfied at the conclusion. I look at everyone following along, and have the same reaction that anyone in my position has when the readers get a controversial issue – that they don’t say, “Oh, yeah - #681. Didn’t like it, so I’m going to drop Batman and never read another issue.” I’m hoping that’s not the case because, as those who stuck around realized, issue #682 really gets you back into what the story is really about, and that comes across even stronger in #683. Again, we’re trying to create long-term fiction with Batman. In doing so, we want to make sure these things are as compelling as they can be from stage to stage, point to point, and that people ride along all the way with us.
December 10th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Why the hell can’t Didio be more open with the reader base BEFORE the fact with this stuff? It’s amazing and it makes him and his editorial and promotional staff seem either completely incompetant or lying to us about things being changed at the last minute or what not.
December 10th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Whatever, the story in RIP ended with #681, but the ongoing adventures of Batman will never end.
December 10th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Precisely, Matt D… It doesn’t matter much to me because I dropped Morrison’s Batman before RIP even started (and the fact that he’s being allowed to dictate the course of the DCU, whatever that is, has caused me to drop all of the other in-continuity Bat-books too), but it’s not like Didio told anyone ahead of time that RIP wouldn’t conclude in Batman proper, but insstead in the (oft-delayed) Final Crisis. At least not that I’ve ever seen.
As far as I knew, the only connection between the two series was that they were from the same author, and confusing as hell. Seems like an underhanded trick to get people to buy into Final Crisis now. Jeez Dan… Haven’t you swindled enough people on getting them to buy into RIP and it’s “crossovers” (I use that term loosely) already?
At least I still have the Green Lantern books, but I’m already concerned at how Blackest Night is going to play out.
December 10th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
I hope he touches upon the Absolute format.
December 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
It’s not just with this. It’s with a lot of things. That’s why I’m sort of frustrated. After the fact, he told us that a book called Countdown to Final Crisis was meant to be a celebration and farewell of the old takes on the Kirby characters and not necessarily a direct prelude to Final Crisis. If that was the intent, fine, great. It sounds like fun. People would have been on board for it. Everyone likes celebrating Kirby! Tell us that BEFORE it starts instead of hyping it for its entire run as something it’s not.
If RIP is going to end in Final Crisis, let us know that before RIP comes out. If the reason why the story seems contained and has a quasi-ending is for the trades, well.. how does letting the readers who buy the titles monthly know where the story is ending change anything? The people who are going to buy the trades will still buy the trades, right?
It all seems like bait and switch, but I don’t think it’s that at all. I think it’s just confusion and massive misunderstanding of the reader base.
December 10th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Well, that clarifies… almost nothing.
December 10th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
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So perhaps a page or two in the last issue of every arc that explains where each story REALLY ends?
Typical Dido “YOU don’t understand” talk. Why expect less?
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December 10th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Oh how I dream of the day without Didio. I hope it’s closer now.
December 10th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I am a big enemy of the Event Miniseries lately. Sure, when parallel worlds are threatened, maybe we need a big roster splash page and some George Perez art. But I’m very opposed to events lately like Secret Invasion and Blackest Night. Not the stories, but the format.
Blackest Night will be awesome, but should be a storyline in Green Lantern and Corps monthly.
Secret Invasion should have been a storyline in the Avengers books.
And RIP and whatever happens to Batman, should happen in Batman.
My theory is this rewards collectors who regularly get the book, and people who pick up the series to read the event are more likely to stay on afterwards. Instead, people pick up the big story in another miniseries never to return the characters, while the monthly book becomes filler. Look at Avengers for the past 8 months. Look at Batman for the next 2 or so (admittedly with Denny and Gaiman, it’s damn good filler, but filler nonetheless).
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What if you went to see Batman RIP: the Movie and right before the climax, it gave a wishy washy to-be-continued, and you have to go to the lobby to buy a ticket to Final Crisis the Movie to see the real ending. Worse still, FC: The Movie started 3 hours ago, and even though it has the same director, nobody said it was mandatory viewing beforehand. That’s basically the scenario for anyone reading Batman, but not Final Crisis.
That’s just my opinion though. I’m wrong a lot. Sorry for the rant.
December 10th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Right on Cisco Kid! love the analogy too.
December 10th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
So we should just stop buying those “monthly” pamphlets and wait for the trades. That’s what I’m hearin’ here.
December 11th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Huh… So trade readers get an ending of sorts, just not the “definite ending” to the story as planned by Grant. What kind of wacko thinking is that? Final Crisis isn’t over yet, of course, but I can’t see why they’d not want to include the actual ending to RIP in the RIP trades themselves.
Sounds like they’re saying: “Yeah, this story really has an awesome ending… in another book; we just didn’t want to tell you it ended over there. But we’re so nice that, for you trade readers, we give you this half-ass lame ending in the awesome ending’s place. Enjoy!”
December 13th, 2008 at 8:59 am
The storytelling on Batman is a complete and utter disaster, from both an entertainment and a marketing perspective. Battle for the Cowl should have **immediately** followed RIP. The tie-in to Final Crisis is a misguided quagmire. DiDio’s inability to properly pace these “events” (such as they are) is one of the reasons Marvel is beating the stuffing out of DC.
LL