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		<title>By: Adult Webcam Chat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adult Webcam Chat</dc:creator>
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		<description>This great site has many very useful facts about that! All the best with regard to revealing it with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This great site has many very useful facts about that! All the best with regard to revealing it with me.</p>
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		<title>By: hebitudinous</title>
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		<dc:creator>hebitudinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A week later, I daresay that Grant Morrison and Dan Didio have pulled off a masterful feat: we all bit on #681, but there was so much more story left in #682. 

Everything makes sense, much is revealed, and many of the fears voiced on messageboards since &quot;Batman RIP&quot; was announced are proved to be unfounded. 

It looks like Grant Morrison learned a little bit from the death of Superman over a decade ago. Today, I&#039;m left with a completely different perspective on the whole storyline and a greater appreciation for Morrison&#039;s reverence for the entire Batman mythos, similar to his work with All-Star Superman.

In a completely metatextual way, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A week later, I daresay that Grant Morrison and Dan Didio have pulled off a masterful feat: we all bit on #681, but there was so much more story left in #682. </p>
<p>Everything makes sense, much is revealed, and many of the fears voiced on messageboards since &#8220;Batman RIP&#8221; was announced are proved to be unfounded. </p>
<p>It looks like Grant Morrison learned a little bit from the death of Superman over a decade ago. Today, I&#8217;m left with a completely different perspective on the whole storyline and a greater appreciation for Morrison&#8217;s reverence for the entire Batman mythos, similar to his work with All-Star Superman.</p>
<p>In a completely metatextual way, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnyzito</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnyzito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just reread Morrison&#039;s whole Batman run today (except for the resurrection of ras arc).  Before I did I read some of the older Batman stuff GM based his story on; &#039;Robin Dies at Dawn&#039; and &#039;The Club of Heroes&#039; and the stuff from 52 about the Thogal.

Without all the interruptions and scheduling snaffs or ridiculous hype; this is a really great Batman mystery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reread Morrison&#8217;s whole Batman run today (except for the resurrection of ras arc).  Before I did I read some of the older Batman stuff GM based his story on; &#8216;Robin Dies at Dawn&#8217; and &#8216;The Club of Heroes&#8217; and the stuff from 52 about the Thogal.</p>
<p>Without all the interruptions and scheduling snaffs or ridiculous hype; this is a really great Batman mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: Yawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never ever fall for the hype!The story and the writer have been hyped up so much that the story was bound to fail.


The funny thing is Batman never need any of this.He&#039;s been the 1# Superhero for a while,he&#039;s been kicking ass for years now,lame characters and comics like Captian America are the ones who needed the shot in the arm that Burbaker gave it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never ever fall for the hype!The story and the writer have been hyped up so much that the story was bound to fail.</p>
<p>The funny thing is Batman never need any of this.He&#8217;s been the 1# Superhero for a while,he&#8217;s been kicking ass for years now,lame characters and comics like Captian America are the ones who needed the shot in the arm that Burbaker gave it.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Peace</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/29/quote-unquote-77/comment-page-1/#comment-453427</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some might be reading this incorrectly.  I see a lot of comments made by people who are disappointed because this was intended to be an epic climax to Morrison&#039;s run on BATMAN, but I&#039;ve also seen interviews with the man himself at SDCC where he claims to be writing the series indefinitely.  Which is it?

If Morrison has bigger plans, then you have to take this with a grain of salt.  I look back at some of the smaller stories in his X-MEN run and feel underwhelmed but if you look at how they all weave together into this giant tapestry... the story of Sublime and its interaction with mutant evolution... it&#039;s really, really brilliant.

Similarly, I think this might just be the end of an act for Batman.  This being billed as the Batman Event to End All Batman Events was a possible misstep on the part of DC Comics marketing.

On the other hand, I heard there is tumult in the DC editorial offices and that Grant will be departing BATMAN sooner than expected.

What is the official story?  Is it at all possible that this isn&#039;t the final statement on the character by Morrison, just the conclusion of a specific storyarc?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some might be reading this incorrectly.  I see a lot of comments made by people who are disappointed because this was intended to be an epic climax to Morrison&#8217;s run on BATMAN, but I&#8217;ve also seen interviews with the man himself at SDCC where he claims to be writing the series indefinitely.  Which is it?</p>
<p>If Morrison has bigger plans, then you have to take this with a grain of salt.  I look back at some of the smaller stories in his X-MEN run and feel underwhelmed but if you look at how they all weave together into this giant tapestry&#8230; the story of Sublime and its interaction with mutant evolution&#8230; it&#8217;s really, really brilliant.</p>
<p>Similarly, I think this might just be the end of an act for Batman.  This being billed as the Batman Event to End All Batman Events was a possible misstep on the part of DC Comics marketing.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I heard there is tumult in the DC editorial offices and that Grant will be departing BATMAN sooner than expected.</p>
<p>What is the official story?  Is it at all possible that this isn&#8217;t the final statement on the character by Morrison, just the conclusion of a specific storyarc?</p>
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		<title>By: RMC</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/29/quote-unquote-77/comment-page-1/#comment-453426</link>
		<dc:creator>RMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the hype did much to service the story when all&#039;s said and done. I had to give it a second and third pass too but I always do with Morrison and the way he lays down subtext. Hope he stays on the book for another year or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the hype did much to service the story when all&#8217;s said and done. I had to give it a second and third pass too but I always do with Morrison and the way he lays down subtext. Hope he stays on the book for another year or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh. Until I hit the intrawebs last night, I had no idea that RIP was being followed so closely by so many. I guess I should have known; a &quot;Batman dies&quot; story is always going to draw a crowd. As for the reactions themselves, well... I can&#039;t say I&#039;m surprised by them. I&#039;d been selling this run short myself, all two-plus years of it, right up til my second read of the finale. Then all the pieces fell into place and I felt like an idiot for not seeing what was going on long before now. Some argue that having to read something twice means the writing is poor. I&#039;d argue, instead, that if I&#039;d paid proper attention the first time through (which I didn&#039;t), I&#039;d have picked up on it. If I have any criticism on that front, it might be that the story took so long to unfold in real time that too many important details slipped my mind. This isn&#039;t a criticism of the book&#039;s lateness, mind you. It&#039;s just a danger of reading and writing stories that are serialized over the course of many months. 

I don&#039;t get the criticisms that the villain&#039;s identity wasn&#039;t revealed. The Black Glove was the Devil. Or, rather, it was Bruce Wayne&#039;s Personal Satan, the evil within him that was scared out by the Batman. The Bat-Tulpa, if you will. I also don&#039;t think that&#039;s a lame reveal at all. It&#039;s an idea that comes directly from the kind of Asian mysticism that Denny O&#039;Neil added to the character in the 70s, and speaks to what the Batman was intended to do from the outset: terrify evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. Until I hit the intrawebs last night, I had no idea that RIP was being followed so closely by so many. I guess I should have known; a &#8220;Batman dies&#8221; story is always going to draw a crowd. As for the reactions themselves, well&#8230; I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m surprised by them. I&#8217;d been selling this run short myself, all two-plus years of it, right up til my second read of the finale. Then all the pieces fell into place and I felt like an idiot for not seeing what was going on long before now. Some argue that having to read something twice means the writing is poor. I&#8217;d argue, instead, that if I&#8217;d paid proper attention the first time through (which I didn&#8217;t), I&#8217;d have picked up on it. If I have any criticism on that front, it might be that the story took so long to unfold in real time that too many important details slipped my mind. This isn&#8217;t a criticism of the book&#8217;s lateness, mind you. It&#8217;s just a danger of reading and writing stories that are serialized over the course of many months. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the criticisms that the villain&#8217;s identity wasn&#8217;t revealed. The Black Glove was the Devil. Or, rather, it was Bruce Wayne&#8217;s Personal Satan, the evil within him that was scared out by the Batman. The Bat-Tulpa, if you will. I also don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a lame reveal at all. It&#8217;s an idea that comes directly from the kind of Asian mysticism that Denny O&#8217;Neil added to the character in the 70s, and speaks to what the Batman was intended to do from the outset: terrify evil.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/29/quote-unquote-77/comment-page-1/#comment-453423</link>
		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was disappointed at the lack of a clear reveal as to the identity of &quot;The Black Glove&quot; but the rest of the issue, as well as most of Morrison&#039;s run was a great, entertaining read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was disappointed at the lack of a clear reveal as to the identity of &#8220;The Black Glove&#8221; but the rest of the issue, as well as most of Morrison&#8217;s run was a great, entertaining read.</p>
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		<title>By: David Uzumeri</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Uzumeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, I sort of flitted away from the rewrite option since I said that, and I&#039;ve heard on halfway decent authority that this was Morrison&#039;s original ending, so. I&#039;m just hoping the next two issues provide something more.

I agree that the issue is totally straightforward, and I probably would have loved it without a doubt if I hadn&#039;t been sitting there at NYCC while Morrison goaded me on to figure out the &quot;obvious&quot; and &quot;shocking&quot; answer to his wicked detective story. Completely divorced from that context, this book kicked ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, I sort of flitted away from the rewrite option since I said that, and I&#8217;ve heard on halfway decent authority that this was Morrison&#8217;s original ending, so. I&#8217;m just hoping the next two issues provide something more.</p>
<p>I agree that the issue is totally straightforward, and I probably would have loved it without a doubt if I hadn&#8217;t been sitting there at NYCC while Morrison goaded me on to figure out the &#8220;obvious&#8221; and &#8220;shocking&#8221; answer to his wicked detective story. Completely divorced from that context, this book kicked ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/29/quote-unquote-77/comment-page-1/#comment-453419</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Well, that was a big piece of shit.”

SImply stated by Tim O&#039;Neill, but ultimately the best comment I&#039;ve read about this train wreck. Thank goodness I decided to not waste my money on this arc and simply browsed it at my LCS, which has a couple of chairs near the front and allows people to sit and read. 

I don&#039;t buy the &quot;it&#039;s symbolism&quot; talk... Morrison&#039;s entire Bat-run has led up to this and THIS is all it ends up being? A group of bored rich people doing all this simply because they can? It hardly explains all the nonsense that went on. Well, here&#039;s a bored reader who&#039;s loved Batman most of his life and doesn&#039;t understand what the point of any this was. I enjoyed the Heart of Hush story over in &#039;Tec (Dini &gt;Morrison), but I&#039;m now done with Batman until DC gets Bruce back in the cowl, where he belongs. 

It wasn&#039;t that long ago that DC had a year without Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Now they&#039;re basically taking the characters away AGAIN?  I&#039;d ask why I should possibly be interested in any of this, but I already know that I&#039;m not. The Superman books are headed towards a similar mess, so now I&#039;m down to just Green Lantern/GL Corps in my DC reading. I guess I&#039;m glad to be saving the money, but it&#039;s amazing how many DC books I&#039;ve dropped in just the past year. Because I can. 

Wait, I&#039;m still getting All Star Batman &amp; Robin too (when it actually comes out). Yeah, it&#039;s a pretty stupid book. But I think, in its own silly, absurd way, it&#039;s a lot more entertaining than Morrison&#039;s Bat-run has been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Well, that was a big piece of shit.”</p>
<p>SImply stated by Tim O&#8217;Neill, but ultimately the best comment I&#8217;ve read about this train wreck. Thank goodness I decided to not waste my money on this arc and simply browsed it at my LCS, which has a couple of chairs near the front and allows people to sit and read. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy the &#8220;it&#8217;s symbolism&#8221; talk&#8230; Morrison&#8217;s entire Bat-run has led up to this and THIS is all it ends up being? A group of bored rich people doing all this simply because they can? It hardly explains all the nonsense that went on. Well, here&#8217;s a bored reader who&#8217;s loved Batman most of his life and doesn&#8217;t understand what the point of any this was. I enjoyed the Heart of Hush story over in &#8216;Tec (Dini &gt;Morrison), but I&#8217;m now done with Batman until DC gets Bruce back in the cowl, where he belongs. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t that long ago that DC had a year without Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Now they&#8217;re basically taking the characters away AGAIN?  I&#8217;d ask why I should possibly be interested in any of this, but I already know that I&#8217;m not. The Superman books are headed towards a similar mess, so now I&#8217;m down to just Green Lantern/GL Corps in my DC reading. I guess I&#8217;m glad to be saving the money, but it&#8217;s amazing how many DC books I&#8217;ve dropped in just the past year. Because I can. </p>
<p>Wait, I&#8217;m still getting All Star Batman &amp; Robin too (when it actually comes out). Yeah, it&#8217;s a pretty stupid book. But I think, in its own silly, absurd way, it&#8217;s a lot more entertaining than Morrison&#8217;s Bat-run has been.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Zito</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/29/quote-unquote-77/comment-page-1/#comment-453418</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Zito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really dug the thomas wayne reveal but the helicopter crash was a lil anticlimactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really dug the thomas wayne reveal but the helicopter crash was a lil anticlimactic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morrison can do awesome endings. Superman: Red Son (he gave Millar the ending), WE3, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, his various JLA arcs, All Star Superman, these are all very good endings that went beyond a cliched &quot;explosion with no body found&quot;

That&#039;s why people are so disappointed and feel ripped off by RIP. You give one of the most iconic characters to one of the better writers of comics today, yet he provides an ending that is so stereotypical of a bad comic that it makes the whole medium look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morrison can do awesome endings. Superman: Red Son (he gave Millar the ending), WE3, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, his various JLA arcs, All Star Superman, these are all very good endings that went beyond a cliched &#8220;explosion with no body found&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why people are so disappointed and feel ripped off by RIP. You give one of the most iconic characters to one of the better writers of comics today, yet he provides an ending that is so stereotypical of a bad comic that it makes the whole medium look bad.</p>
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		<title>By: kwaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think because it&#039;s a Grant Morrison everybody expects every little thing to have some grand meaning.

It reads much better if you read it Ryan Higgins suggests. All the grand symbolism and hidden meaning as all that stuff falls into place after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think because it&#8217;s a Grant Morrison everybody expects every little thing to have some grand meaning.</p>
<p>It reads much better if you read it Ryan Higgins suggests. All the grand symbolism and hidden meaning as all that stuff falls into place after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Higgins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Higgins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t understand why so many people had such a hard time with this book. The story is about a group of a group of bored rich people called the Black Glove that go around, messing with people *because they can*. Dr. Hurt isn&#039;t the actual devil. He&#039;s just evil. Jesus, people, it&#039;s called &quot;symbolism&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t understand why so many people had such a hard time with this book. The story is about a group of a group of bored rich people called the Black Glove that go around, messing with people *because they can*. Dr. Hurt isn&#8217;t the actual devil. He&#8217;s just evil. Jesus, people, it&#8217;s called &#8220;symbolism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: kwaku</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe he was forced to rewrite the comic?&quot;

I doubt anyone would say that if this had been the ending they were hoping for. Maybe the ending just wasn&#039;t that good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe he was forced to rewrite the comic?&#8221;</p>
<p>I doubt anyone would say that if this had been the ending they were hoping for. Maybe the ending just wasn&#8217;t that good.</p>
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