Comments on: The Fifth Color – Glory Days http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Sun, 19 May 2013 11:18:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: becky rich http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-724412 becky rich Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:20:20 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-724412 carla did you go to school in okinawa ? carla did you go to school in okinawa ?

]]> By: Eldora Getschman http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-494461 Eldora Getschman Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:37:41 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-494461 It seems as if my preferred thesbian Tom Cruise is up to his old tricks again. He has a new picture coming out with Cameron Diaz and it looks like it's going to be a fantastic one, I just truly enjoy <a href="http://www.mymoviesonlinesite.com" rel="nofollow">Tom Cruise movies</A>, I believe he's definitely very good at these varieties of action films. This latest fillm is an action-comedy based on a fugitive couple on a glamorous and sometimes perilous adventure where nothing and no 1 - even themselves - are what they seem. During alternating alliances and amazing betrayals, they race across the entire world, with their survival ultimately hinging on the battle of truth vs . trust- I struggles to wait for this to come out. It seems as if my preferred thesbian Tom Cruise is up to his old tricks again. He has a new picture coming out with Cameron Diaz and it looks like it’s going to be a fantastic one, I just truly enjoy Tom Cruise movies, I believe he’s definitely very good at these varieties of action films. This latest fillm is an action-comedy based on a fugitive couple on a glamorous and sometimes perilous adventure where nothing and no 1 – even themselves – are what they seem. During alternating alliances and amazing betrayals, they race across the entire world, with their survival ultimately hinging on the battle of truth vs . trust- I struggles to wait for this to come out.

]]> By: Aqualad http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452816 Aqualad Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:35:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452816 Clearly, Sale is the true genius behind Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Spider-Man: Blue, etc. I notice he didn't get axed by NBC... Clearly, Sale is the true genius behind Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Spider-Man: Blue, etc. I notice he didn’t get axed by NBC…

]]> By: Jay http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452812 Jay Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:25:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452812 Good article. I'd have to agree with you completely, as Loeb's work has lessened in quality for years now for me. I think it's a combination of things, however. For one, he seemed to always be able to find the "magic" in certain characters, by stripping them down to their core and creating a story idea from there. Today, he's really nothing more than the next writer on a book at Marvel. His projects are not "special" any more. When he does work with Tim Sale, his "special comics" partner, the work is still pretty good, but their collaborations are few and far between, and are growing less successful with each character that they do at Marvel. The other thing that I see in Loeb's work today is that he seems to be trying to hang with Bendis and Millar in the "shock comics" method of storytelling, i.e. de-construction stories of characters that obnoxiously tear them down, leaving little left for the next writer. This is kind of the standard M.O. with those two writers at Marvel, and for Loeb, a writer who is known for finding the good in characters and pulling that out in stories, it seems odd to see him telling tales about the ballsy ULTIMATES crew and the new "F.U." version of the Hulk. He's not playing to his strengths, but more so, running away from them further and further with each project. He needs to rethink his strategy for the future. Good article. I’d have to agree with you completely, as Loeb’s work has lessened in quality for years now for me. I think it’s a combination of things, however. For one, he seemed to always be able to find the “magic” in certain characters, by stripping them down to their core and creating a story idea from there. Today, he’s really nothing more than the next writer on a book at Marvel. His projects are not “special” any more. When he does work with Tim Sale, his “special comics” partner, the work is still pretty good, but their collaborations are few and far between, and are growing less successful with each character that they do at Marvel.

The other thing that I see in Loeb’s work today is that he seems to be trying to hang with Bendis and Millar in the “shock comics” method of storytelling, i.e. de-construction stories of characters that obnoxiously tear them down, leaving little left for the next writer. This is kind of the standard M.O. with those two writers at Marvel, and for Loeb, a writer who is known for finding the good in characters and pulling that out in stories, it seems odd to see him telling tales about the ballsy ULTIMATES crew and the new “F.U.” version of the Hulk. He’s not playing to his strengths, but more so, running away from them further and further with each project. He needs to rethink his strategy for the future.

]]> By: Chris B. http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452795 Chris B. Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:09:47 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452795 ejulp hit it on the head for me. To put it as delicately as possible, I've found his work began suffering after his son passed away. I feel it was a mistake for him to finish his Superman/Batman run as he went through the grieving process. ejulp hit it on the head for me. To put it as delicately as possible, I’ve found his work began suffering after his son passed away. I feel it was a mistake for him to finish his Superman/Batman run as he went through the grieving process.

]]> By: Joe http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452793 Joe Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:33:28 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452793 ejulp: Yeah, if the art on Hulk wasn't so amazing I wouldn't have made it past the first issue. ejulp:
Yeah, if the art on Hulk wasn’t so amazing I wouldn’t have made it past the first issue.

]]> By: ejulp http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452790 ejulp Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:51:39 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452790 @Joe Yeah, I dunno...but, I STARVE for Art Adams, I don't care what the story is as long as I get to see his gorgeous pages (of course, that decision is part of what's wrong with the comics industry, admittedly). @Joe

Yeah, I dunno…but, I STARVE for Art Adams, I don’t care what the story is as long as I get to see his gorgeous pages (of course, that decision is part of what’s wrong with the comics industry, admittedly).

]]> By: Joe http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452786 Joe Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:58:07 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452786 I'm not going to defend the quality of Loebs recent writing, but I'm enjoying Hulk on just the beatdowns and art alone. I’m not going to defend the quality of Loebs recent writing, but I’m enjoying Hulk on just the beatdowns and art alone.

]]> By: GreenLantern2814 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452783 GreenLantern2814 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:44:02 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452783 ejulp wrote: "...the Metallica reference works brilliantly." Agreed. ejulp wrote:
“…the Metallica reference works brilliantly.”

Agreed.

]]> By: Randy http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452782 Randy Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:30:53 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452782 Loeb was really never all that good to start with, and almost all of his best-regarded work is only good because he had existing work from better writers to rip off. The Marvel Colors series is basically just him retreading already written material (mostly by Stan Lee,) that pioneered the genre, and Long Halloween and Dark Victory are basically Frank Miller pastiches built off of Batman Year One. He's great at rehashing "iconic" storylines for characters, but utterly incapable of coming up with his own. When left to his own devices, we get god-awful trainwrecks along the lines of Ultimates 3, Onslaught Reborn, his current Hulk run, and Wolverine: Evolution. Loeb's always been overrated at best and flat out terrible more often than not. Loeb was really never all that good to start with, and almost all of his best-regarded work is only good because he had existing work from better writers to rip off. The Marvel Colors series is basically just him retreading already written material (mostly by Stan Lee,) that pioneered the genre, and Long Halloween and Dark Victory are basically Frank Miller pastiches built off of Batman Year One. He’s great at rehashing “iconic” storylines for characters, but utterly incapable of coming up with his own. When left to his own devices, we get god-awful trainwrecks along the lines of Ultimates 3, Onslaught Reborn, his current Hulk run, and Wolverine: Evolution.

Loeb’s always been overrated at best and flat out terrible more often than not.

]]> By: ejulp http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452778 ejulp Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:40:57 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452778 I wonder sometimes if, with the unfortunate tragedy that Loeb experienced a few years back, if it has not altered his approach to comics...in that context his current comic stories make sense; I can relate, when life turns on you it effects your approach to everything, life hollows you out, and there are just certain topics or frames of mind you have no desire to express anymore I wonder sometimes if, with the unfortunate tragedy that Loeb experienced a few years back, if it has not altered his approach to comics…in that context his current comic stories make sense; I can relate, when life turns on you it effects your approach to everything, life hollows you out, and there are just certain topics or frames of mind you have no desire to express anymore

]]> By: ejulp http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452777 ejulp Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:35:54 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452777 Nothing really to add, just wanted to say this is a great article, and that the Metallica reference works brilliantly. Nothing really to add, just wanted to say this is a great article, and that the Metallica reference works brilliantly.

]]> By: Simon MacDonald http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/12/the-fifth-color-glory-days/comment-page-1/#comment-452776 Simon MacDonald Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:31:07 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=10018#comment-452776 Perhaps it is just that Mr. Loeb is stretched a bit to thin at the moment and is writing too many books. Possibly with his dismissal from Heroes he will have more time to focus on comics. With Ultimates 3 there was definitely a problem with it being cut down from a 6 issue to 5 issue story. Which is the whole reason why you had to buy Ultimate Captain American Annual 1 to find out about the whole Black Panther thing. Perhaps it is just that Mr. Loeb is stretched a bit to thin at the moment and is writing too many books. Possibly with his dismissal from Heroes he will have more time to focus on comics.

With Ultimates 3 there was definitely a problem with it being cut down from a 6 issue to 5 issue story. Which is the whole reason why you had to buy Ultimate Captain American Annual 1 to find out about the whole Black Panther thing.

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