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		<title>By: Gilberte Bantz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilberte Bantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 01:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must get across my appreciation for your kindness supporting people that should have assistance with this one matter. Your special commitment to passing the message all around was astonishingly insightful and has specifically made some individuals much like me to attain their goals. Your valuable publication entails a whole lot to me and somewhat more to my peers. With thanks; from each one of us.</description>
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		<title>By: Ink-Stained Wretch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ink-Stained Wretch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;MOST OF YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU&#039;RE TALKING ABOUT.&lt;/b&gt;

First of all, it &lt;i&gt;constantly amazes&lt;/i&gt; me that so-called &quot;fans&quot; are inevitably company men to the bitter @#$%ing end.  In &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; legal dispute about the rights to a character or a story, it seems, the &quot;fans&quot; will vigorously defend the comicbook company -- no matter how clearly in the wrong they are.

A few of the basic reasons &lt;i&gt;you&#039;re wrong&lt;/i&gt; in your uninformed opinions:

* &lt;b&gt;They created &quot;Superman&quot;.  Then they SOLD the rights to it.&lt;/b&gt;

Wrong.  They sold &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; rights to it.  Exactly which rights still remain -- 70 years and multiple lawsuits later -- a bit unclear.  As the original copyright owners, Siegel &amp; Shuster did not necessarily give up all claim to their work by accepting money for it.  Authors accept money from book publishers and magazines all the time without giving up their copyright on their work.  There has to be a contract spelling out &lt;i&gt;what rights&lt;/i&gt; got sold, and if the purchaser doesn&#039;t live up to their end of the agreement, the copyright-holder can seek to terminate the contract.  Almost since the beginning, Siegel complained that National Periodicals (aka DC) made promises and assertions that they never lived up to.

* &lt;b&gt;&quot;The creators weren’t blind sided when they originally made the deal with DC, they were after making a profit.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 

That&#039;s hardly all they were after.  From the beginning, Siegel wanted (and claims he was promised) creative involvement and control.  That was his constant and impassioned claim during several legal battles throughout the years.

* &lt;b&gt;The family has NO RIGHTS to the characters that their relatives signed away in 1938. Consider it lessons learned the hard way.&lt;/b&gt;

Wrong.  First of all, it&#039;s far from clear that Siegel &amp; Shuster signed away all rights.  Secondly, Congress rewrote copyright laws in the &#039;70s, partly to allow creators to redress unfair and predatory practices that had been exercised in the past.  One of the provisions allowed creators to act to terminate certain kinds of transfers of copyright -- and that&#039;s what this case is all about.  In pursuing this matter, the family is undoubtedly within its rights.

* &lt;b&gt;&quot;The sadness of all this, is that the family want MONEY…&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

If you&#039;d read anything about the emotional reaction of Siegel&#039;s widow and daughter regarding the ruling, you&#039;d realize that this was as much about vindicating Jerry as anything else.  


Get some &lt;a href=&quot;http://uncivilsociety.org/2008/03/a-siegel-superman-copyright-de.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more actual information&lt;/a&gt; before randomly shooting your mouth off about what you &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; happened in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>MOST OF YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU&#8217;RE TALKING ABOUT.</b></p>
<p>First of all, it <i>constantly amazes</i> me that so-called &#8220;fans&#8221; are inevitably company men to the bitter @#$%ing end.  In <i>any</i> legal dispute about the rights to a character or a story, it seems, the &#8220;fans&#8221; will vigorously defend the comicbook company &#8212; no matter how clearly in the wrong they are.</p>
<p>A few of the basic reasons <i>you&#8217;re wrong</i> in your uninformed opinions:</p>
<p>* <b>They created &#8220;Superman&#8221;.  Then they SOLD the rights to it.</b></p>
<p>Wrong.  They sold <i>some</i> rights to it.  Exactly which rights still remain &#8212; 70 years and multiple lawsuits later &#8212; a bit unclear.  As the original copyright owners, Siegel &amp; Shuster did not necessarily give up all claim to their work by accepting money for it.  Authors accept money from book publishers and magazines all the time without giving up their copyright on their work.  There has to be a contract spelling out <i>what rights</i> got sold, and if the purchaser doesn&#8217;t live up to their end of the agreement, the copyright-holder can seek to terminate the contract.  Almost since the beginning, Siegel complained that National Periodicals (aka DC) made promises and assertions that they never lived up to.</p>
<p>* <b>&#8220;The creators weren’t blind sided when they originally made the deal with DC, they were after making a profit.&#8221;</b> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s hardly all they were after.  From the beginning, Siegel wanted (and claims he was promised) creative involvement and control.  That was his constant and impassioned claim during several legal battles throughout the years.</p>
<p>* <b>The family has NO RIGHTS to the characters that their relatives signed away in 1938. Consider it lessons learned the hard way.</b></p>
<p>Wrong.  First of all, it&#8217;s far from clear that Siegel &amp; Shuster signed away all rights.  Secondly, Congress rewrote copyright laws in the &#8217;70s, partly to allow creators to redress unfair and predatory practices that had been exercised in the past.  One of the provisions allowed creators to act to terminate certain kinds of transfers of copyright &#8212; and that&#8217;s what this case is all about.  In pursuing this matter, the family is undoubtedly within its rights.</p>
<p>* <b>&#8220;The sadness of all this, is that the family want MONEY…&#8221;</b></p>
<p>If you&#8217;d read anything about the emotional reaction of Siegel&#8217;s widow and daughter regarding the ruling, you&#8217;d realize that this was as much about vindicating Jerry as anything else.  </p>
<p>Get some <a href="http://uncivilsociety.org/2008/03/a-siegel-superman-copyright-de.html" rel="nofollow">more actual information</a> before randomly shooting your mouth off about what you <i>think</i> happened in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder how much the ambulance chaser would net from a new ruling money wise from the Siegel heirs - 50% pf their cut?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder how much the ambulance chaser would net from a new ruling money wise from the Siegel heirs &#8211; 50% pf their cut?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The creators weren&#039;t blind sided when they originally made the deal with DC, they were after making a profit. They did, now it&#039;s the consumers (us) who are gonna take a hit from them denying us a great character all so relatives can claim &quot;artistic/creative rights&quot; (more money)
What is wrong with just accepting that a bad deal was made by your relatives, 70 years ago, and living with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The creators weren&#8217;t blind sided when they originally made the deal with DC, they were after making a profit. They did, now it&#8217;s the consumers (us) who are gonna take a hit from them denying us a great character all so relatives can claim &#8220;artistic/creative rights&#8221; (more money)<br />
What is wrong with just accepting that a bad deal was made by your relatives, 70 years ago, and living with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike--EL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike--EL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Acrid Gunsmoke Says: 
Is anyone else sick to death of hearing about this stupid case? Ugh.&quot;

I&#039;m sure that if you&#039;re family was morally entitled to millions of dollars of money that DC/Warner had raped your father for, you&#039;d be more sympathetic.

But, from the sounds of it, you&#039;re only concerned your own enjoyment, and your own needs. 

What exactly did you learn from those thousands of superhero comics you&#039;ve read? Apparently nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Acrid Gunsmoke Says:<br />
Is anyone else sick to death of hearing about this stupid case? Ugh.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that if you&#8217;re family was morally entitled to millions of dollars of money that DC/Warner had raped your father for, you&#8217;d be more sympathetic.</p>
<p>But, from the sounds of it, you&#8217;re only concerned your own enjoyment, and your own needs. </p>
<p>What exactly did you learn from those thousands of superhero comics you&#8217;ve read? Apparently nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Charrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This lawsuit, as I see it, is entirely frivilous. Great. They created Superman. Then they SOLD the rights to it. That was a gamble, but just because it has made alot of money they want the rights back? Would they be suing if Superman didn&#039;t make any money? Doubtful. Without DC and the various writers over the course of time Superman would still be a mystery man who could jump a long distance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lawsuit, as I see it, is entirely frivilous. Great. They created Superman. Then they SOLD the rights to it. That was a gamble, but just because it has made alot of money they want the rights back? Would they be suing if Superman didn&#8217;t make any money? Doubtful. Without DC and the various writers over the course of time Superman would still be a mystery man who could jump a long distance.</p>
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		<title>By: Pep</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/11/05/dates-set-for-superman-trial/comment-page-1/#comment-452386</link>
		<dc:creator>Pep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sadness of all this, is that the family want MONEY... 70 years before, just in time. Siegel and Shuster (God bless both)knows the industry of his time and knows what happen with all that created to the publisher. I supose what wanna the Siegels, but... what want all the creators who development the character in 70 years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sadness of all this, is that the family want MONEY&#8230; 70 years before, just in time. Siegel and Shuster (God bless both)knows the industry of his time and knows what happen with all that created to the publisher. I supose what wanna the Siegels, but&#8230; what want all the creators who development the character in 70 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Dailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Dailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The creators of Superman knew they were signing away the rights back then. This retro-active who owns what kind of lawsuit is silly. The family has NO RIGHTS to the characters that their relatives signed away in 1938. Consider it lessons learned the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The creators of Superman knew they were signing away the rights back then. This retro-active who owns what kind of lawsuit is silly. The family has NO RIGHTS to the characters that their relatives signed away in 1938. Consider it lessons learned the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: charles david haskell</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles david haskell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AT THE RATES THAT THE LAWSUIT IS GOING,THE COPYRIGHT HEARING WILL BE FOR NOTHING BECAUSE BOTH SUPERBOY AND SUPERMAN COPYRIGHT WILL BECOME PUBLIC DOMAIN. I AM PRAYING THAT 2009 WILL SEE THE PROBLEM WILL SOLVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I GOT A FEELING THAT TIME WARNER WILL JUST CHANGE THE NAME OF KAL-EL ALTER-EGO TO SOME ANOTHER NEW ACTION HEROES NAME. GOOD LUCK TO THE FUTURE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AT THE RATES THAT THE LAWSUIT IS GOING,THE COPYRIGHT HEARING WILL BE FOR NOTHING BECAUSE BOTH SUPERBOY AND SUPERMAN COPYRIGHT WILL BECOME PUBLIC DOMAIN. I AM PRAYING THAT 2009 WILL SEE THE PROBLEM WILL SOLVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I GOT A FEELING THAT TIME WARNER WILL JUST CHANGE THE NAME OF KAL-EL ALTER-EGO TO SOME ANOTHER NEW ACTION HEROES NAME. GOOD LUCK TO THE FUTURE</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Melrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Melrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there is that little issue of Washington Irving&#039;s works being in the public domain ...</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Danger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Danger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that the Siegel and Shuster families deserve their share of the pie, I also believe that they should be happy of the impact that Superman has had on the entire world. My great, great, great, great grand-pappy Washington Irving wrote the Headless Horseman, Rip Van Winkle and many other American Classics, yet you don&#039;t see me trying to sue every publishing company who mentions them or takes their own take on the stories; I&#039;m just glad that he had that kind of impact on the world of literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that the Siegel and Shuster families deserve their share of the pie, I also believe that they should be happy of the impact that Superman has had on the entire world. My great, great, great, great grand-pappy Washington Irving wrote the Headless Horseman, Rip Van Winkle and many other American Classics, yet you don&#8217;t see me trying to sue every publishing company who mentions them or takes their own take on the stories; I&#8217;m just glad that he had that kind of impact on the world of literature.</p>
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		<title>By: shazamzimzow</title>
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		<dc:creator>shazamzimzow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, DC Comics whips off its glasses, adds a spit curl, and becomes Warner Bros. Studios. Red Kryptonite morphs WBS into Time Warner. The Siegel family represents the color of magic — that is, green (kryptonite).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, DC Comics whips off its glasses, adds a spit curl, and becomes Warner Bros. Studios. Red Kryptonite morphs WBS into Time Warner. The Siegel family represents the color of magic — that is, green (kryptonite).</p>
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		<title>By: David Hutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for the Siegels!  No one deserves the profits more than the family... NOBODY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for the Siegels!  No one deserves the profits more than the family&#8230; NOBODY.</p>
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		<title>By: Squashua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squashua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Zawisza.  If you part it the other way, then he looks like Time Warn... wait a sec!  Holy crap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Zawisza.  If you part it the other way, then he looks like Time Warn&#8230; wait a sec!  Holy crap!</p>
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		<title>By: masonreloaded</title>
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		<dc:creator>masonreloaded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FFS.  It&#039;s been nearly 80 years, the creators are dead, they get plenty of credit, everyone knows they created the characters.  DC has been responsible for keeping Superman alive for all that time, the heirs are just trying a cash-grab, it&#039;s time for them to stop these constant lawsuits and get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FFS.  It&#8217;s been nearly 80 years, the creators are dead, they get plenty of credit, everyone knows they created the characters.  DC has been responsible for keeping Superman alive for all that time, the heirs are just trying a cash-grab, it&#8217;s time for them to stop these constant lawsuits and get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Acrid Gunsmoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acrid Gunsmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone else sick to death of hearing about this stupid case?

Ugh.</description>
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<p>Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Zawisza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zawisza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hair actually has to be parted the other way, then apply the spit curl.</description>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Bah. If the choice is the Siegel Heirs getting tons of bucks and no Superboy, then the Heirs can go split.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Bah. If the choice is the Siegel Heirs getting tons of bucks and no Superboy, then the Heirs can go split.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ugly American</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ugly American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you take the glasses off and lick the hair to create a spitcurl, Warner Bros. becomes DC Comics.</description>
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