Comments on: Annotations for Trinity issue #21 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Sat, 25 May 2013 03:49:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Julius Brown http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451842 Julius Brown Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:16:10 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451842 I have not read this title since issue #10 because frankly it wasn't as good as or better than the other already existing mulitple Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman titles. Has it improved? Is it within DC's top 25% percent of titles published? Just curious as to whether it's worth reading for the final third? Tom, would you still be buying it if you weren't annotating it for your blog? I have not read this title since issue #10 because frankly it wasn’t as good as or better than the other already existing mulitple Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman titles. Has it improved? Is it within DC’s top 25% percent of titles published? Just curious as to whether it’s worth reading for the final third?

Tom, would you still be buying it if you weren’t annotating it for your blog?

]]> By: Xero http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451840 Xero Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:51:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451840 I loved your versions Kurt, hope to see more of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_organizations_in_comics I loved your versions Kurt, hope to see more of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_organizations_in_comics

]]> By: Kurt Busiek http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451824 Kurt Busiek Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:22:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451824 >> Brainwave Jr.: yes, of course. I will say that the pose makes him look a lot younger, and the new costume didn’t help matters either.>> It's a variant costume, but it's a variant of his current DCU costume. >> Hey Kurt, as long as you’re here, you said we’d all recognize who the group of villains going after the Trinity objects were based on. Well, the penny never dropped for me- care to spill?>> I didn't say everyone would recognize them, I expect I said someone would figure it out. And it was covered here, eventually, and at other places. The Dreambound are loosely based on the "jive turkeys" of JLA #173, who were all actually Leaguers in disguise. They were Primak (Zatanna), Swashbuckler (Green Arrow), the Human Starburst (Green Lantern) and the Trans-Visible Man (Flash). Our version got created because I've always liked those guys, in a goofy way, and I remarked at one point that someone like Grant Morrison could bring them back, retool them and make them seem totally modern, off-the-wall and cool. So why shouldn't I? kdb >> Brainwave Jr.: yes, of course. I will say that the pose makes him look a lot younger, and the new costume didn’t help matters either.>>

It’s a variant costume, but it’s a variant of his current DCU costume.

>> Hey Kurt, as long as you’re here, you said we’d all recognize who the group of villains going after the Trinity objects were based on. Well, the penny never dropped for me- care to spill?>>

I didn’t say everyone would recognize them, I expect I said someone would figure it out. And it was covered here, eventually, and at other places. The Dreambound are loosely based on the “jive turkeys” of JLA #173, who were all actually Leaguers in disguise. They were Primak (Zatanna), Swashbuckler (Green Arrow), the Human Starburst (Green Lantern) and the Trans-Visible Man (Flash).

Our version got created because I’ve always liked those guys, in a goofy way, and I remarked at one point that someone like Grant Morrison could bring them back, retool them and make them seem totally modern, off-the-wall and cool.

So why shouldn’t I?

kdb

]]> By: jedifish http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451821 jedifish Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:11:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451821 I loved the reveal that Kanjar Ro was Despero all along. He's the one character that has felt "off" to me all along, seeming a little too deferential to Morgaine and Enigma the past few months. It was one of those where I was wondering if Kurt just didn't "get" the character, but it looks like he didn't after all. Bravo and great issue. I loved the reveal that Kanjar Ro was Despero all along. He’s the one character that has felt “off” to me all along, seeming a little too deferential to Morgaine and Enigma the past few months. It was one of those where I was wondering if Kurt just didn’t “get” the character, but it looks like he didn’t after all. Bravo and great issue.

]]> By: AirDave817 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451805 AirDave817 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:39:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451805 The highlight of the issue for me was the back-story on The Quizmaster. Always nice to check in on the "mirror"-verse. It'd be kinda cool to see a History of the "Mirror"-verse. Or maybe a Ssecret Files and Origins. Pretty cool so far! The highlight of the issue for me was the back-story on The Quizmaster. Always nice to check in on the “mirror”-verse. It’d be kinda cool to see a History of the “Mirror”-verse. Or maybe a Ssecret Files and Origins.

Pretty cool so far!

]]> By: Rob S. http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451803 Rob S. Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:15:02 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451803 I don't think Kurt ever said we'd *all* recognize them -- it's a pretty old, one-shot reference. But Swashbuckler, Primat, and the Trans Vibrational Man were the alternate IDs some JLAers used to "test" Black Lightning in his tryout issue of JLA (circa 1979, I think)... which most likely never happened in this continuity. There's no connection to that story other than the names. I don’t think Kurt ever said we’d *all* recognize them — it’s a pretty old, one-shot reference. But Swashbuckler, Primat, and the Trans Vibrational Man were the alternate IDs some JLAers used to “test” Black Lightning in his tryout issue of JLA (circa 1979, I think)… which most likely never happened in this continuity. There’s no connection to that story other than the names.

]]> By: Squashua http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451799 Squashua Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:28:44 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451799 "but for a quirk in the timestream, would have been a founding member of the Justice League." Actually, he would have been THE founding member and de facto leader of the Justice League. He put them together and issued orders to them as a unit during those Zero Hour issues before being erased from the timeline and bumped to the present. Triumph and Moon Maiden are my favorite JLA characters who never were. Both were The Sentry before The Sentry. “but for a quirk in the timestream, would have been a founding member of the Justice League.”

Actually, he would have been THE founding member and de facto leader of the Justice League. He put them together and issued orders to them as a unit during those Zero Hour issues before being erased from the timeline and bumped to the present.

Triumph and Moon Maiden are my favorite JLA characters who never were. Both were The Sentry before The Sentry.

]]> By: jccalhoun http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451798 jccalhoun Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:26:07 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451798 I remembered that Priest has written about Triumph so I thought maybe he might have mentioned the creation of the character and sure enough he wrote that Triumph was "created by DC Comics Group Editor Brian Augustyn, Mark Waid and Howard Porter." http://www.digital-priest.com/comics/frames/triumph.htm I remembered that Priest has written about Triumph so I thought maybe he might have mentioned the creation of the character and sure enough he wrote that Triumph was “created by DC Comics Group Editor Brian Augustyn, Mark Waid and Howard Porter.” http://www.digital-priest.com/comics/frames/triumph.htm

]]> By: Vinnie Bartilucci http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451785 Vinnie Bartilucci Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:34:11 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451785 Hey Kurt, as long as you're here, you said we'd all recognize who the group of villains going after the Trinity objects were based on. Well, the penny never dropped for me- care to spill? Hey Kurt, as long as you’re here, you said we’d all recognize who the group of villains going after the Trinity objects were based on. Well, the penny never dropped for me- care to spill?

]]> By: Tom Bondurant http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451784 Tom Bondurant Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:22:20 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451784 Brainwave Jr.: yes, of course. I will say that the pose makes him look a lot younger, and the new costume didn't help matters either. Triumph's hair: actually, it kinda works better for me that he looks like Superman, considering his would-be "foundational" role. For a minute I thought he <em>was</em> a version of Electro-Supes, but then I figured you guys wouldn't do something that complicated. Mouse: I remember the Jack/Tim Drake references, but considering that my computer has just awakened me at 3 a.m. with an automatic restart, I'll have to check the issues themselves a little later. :-) Brainwave Jr.: yes, of course. I will say that the pose makes him look a lot younger, and the new costume didn’t help matters either.

Triumph’s hair: actually, it kinda works better for me that he looks like Superman, considering his would-be “foundational” role. For a minute I thought he was a version of Electro-Supes, but then I figured you guys wouldn’t do something that complicated.

Mouse: I remember the Jack/Tim Drake references, but considering that my computer has just awakened me at 3 a.m. with an automatic restart, I’ll have to check the issues themselves a little later. :-)

]]> By: Kurt Busiek http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451780 Kurt Busiek Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:45:00 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451780 Oh, and -- >> “Mouse Wonder”: this may be the first time we’ve seen the anti-matter version of Robin.>> I believe it is, though we made tangential reference to him/them in SYNDICATE RULES, when Owlman noted that one of the things he gets from the death of Jack "Rat-Eyes" Drake was his son. I'm not sure we got the name "Mouse" in there somewhere, but we might have. And it's just Mouse. "Mouse Wonder" is the Quizmaster being flippant. kdb Oh, and –

>> “Mouse Wonder”: this may be the first time we’ve seen the anti-matter version of Robin.>>

I believe it is, though we made tangential reference to him/them in SYNDICATE RULES, when Owlman noted that one of the things he gets from the death of Jack “Rat-Eyes” Drake was his son.

I’m not sure we got the name “Mouse” in there somewhere, but we might have.

And it’s just Mouse. “Mouse Wonder” is the Quizmaster being flippant.

kdb

]]> By: Kurt Busiek http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451779 Kurt Busiek Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:24:31 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451779 >> Cyborg, Starfire, Tomorrow Woman, Atom-Smasher, Triumph (speaking), Liberty Belle II, Skyrocket, Hourman, and … someone I’ll kick myself for not recognizing.>> Brainwave. Kick away. >> Also, he’s usually drawn with blond hair.>> And will be again, once the corrections kick in! As far as I know, nobody guessed ahead of time that John's being possessed by the Void Hound, despite lots of plot-pointers to SYNDICATE RULES, and a few judicious hints -- like the fact that it's stronger in the anti-matter universe (which is where it's from). Yay us! Then again, sometimes we do something we think is clever that no one'll get, and tons of people get it from the very first panel. kdb >> Cyborg, Starfire, Tomorrow Woman, Atom-Smasher, Triumph (speaking), Liberty Belle II, Skyrocket, Hourman, and … someone I’ll kick myself for not recognizing.>>

Brainwave. Kick away.

>> Also, he’s usually drawn with blond hair.>>

And will be again, once the corrections kick in!

As far as I know, nobody guessed ahead of time that John’s being possessed by the Void Hound, despite lots of plot-pointers to SYNDICATE RULES, and a few judicious hints — like the fact that it’s stronger in the anti-matter universe (which is where it’s from). Yay us!

Then again, sometimes we do something we think is clever that no one’ll get, and tons of people get it from the very first panel.

kdb

]]> By: Digit http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/23/annotations-for-trinity-issue-21/comment-page-1/#comment-451778 Digit Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:33:25 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9809#comment-451778 Person you don't recognize is, I believe, Brainwave (the son of the original.) From Infinity Inc. Person you don’t recognize is, I believe, Brainwave (the son of the original.) From Infinity Inc.

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