Comments on: The Fifth Color – Hey Cap! http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Fri, 24 May 2013 03:41:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Josh http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451425 Josh Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:07:08 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451425 I love the Brubaker run. Bru is awesome and his Cap is IMHO the best ever. I love the Winter Soldier arc, the Death of Cap, everything. That said, Steve Rogers is Cap to me, for entirely the reasons initially described in the article. I read the book for Steve, and his exploits as Cap play second fiddle. I'm still looking forward to the next few yearws, but I have to admit, I'm getting a bit impatient, and may move on, a notion which I would have considered blasphemy a year ago, if Bucky sticks to the role. He's just a different guy. Why give him the Captain America costume, just let him be his own man. America doesn't need 'Captain America' it needs Steve Rogers. I love the Brubaker run. Bru is awesome and his Cap is IMHO the best ever. I love the Winter Soldier arc, the Death of Cap, everything. That said, Steve Rogers is Cap to me, for entirely the reasons initially described in the article. I read the book for Steve, and his exploits as Cap play second fiddle. I’m still looking forward to the next few yearws, but I have to admit, I’m getting a bit impatient, and may move on, a notion which I would have considered blasphemy a year ago, if Bucky sticks to the role. He’s just a different guy. Why give him the Captain America costume, just let him be his own man. America doesn’t need ‘Captain America’ it needs Steve Rogers.

]]> By: Alan Coil http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451422 Alan Coil Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:32:23 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451422 Shaun noted: "I don’t get the swipe at DC…" Because, Shaun, you can't like both Universes. If you like Marvel, you HAVE to take shots at DC or you aren't truly a Marvelite. ========= Bucky is not Cap and never will be. I know a guy who quit comics completely because Steve Rogers was killed. ========= Saw the preview issue of next week's Cap today. Art was fine, but nothing happened of note; endless conversation. Shaun noted:

“I don’t get the swipe at DC…”

Because, Shaun, you can’t like both Universes. If you like Marvel, you HAVE to take shots at DC or you aren’t truly a Marvelite.
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Bucky is not Cap and never will be. I know a guy who quit comics completely because Steve Rogers was killed.
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Saw the preview issue of next week’s Cap today. Art was fine, but nothing happened of note; endless conversation.

]]> By: Kimota94 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451420 Kimota94 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:22:13 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451420 Great article, Carla, and I totally agree with your gushing comments at the start about how this title delivers - and then some! - each and every month. Comes out on time, has the highest quality writing and artwork, provides thrills every month, takes its time to draw out interesting arc after interesting arc without feeling like it's *cough Secret Invasion cough* padded... I don't think there's another Marvel title that comes close. The one reason that I can't totally, 100%, accept Bucky as Cap, though, is that Steve Rogers was just getting warmed up as a character when he met his twisted fate at the hands of Dr Faustus (via Sharon). It wasn't like he'd run his course and there was nothing left to say about him... Bru had actually made the character more fleshed out than ever before, and provided more depth to him (preserving but not solely relying on the "fish out of water" hook that Stan had introduced in 1964) than we'd ever been treated to before, over 40 years. There's so much more for that writer to tell us about Rogers that I have no doubt he'll be back before too much longer. I honestly think that this run of Captain America will be held up decades from now as the definitive one for the character. It's just that good. Great article, Carla, and I totally agree with your gushing comments at the start about how this title delivers – and then some! – each and every month. Comes out on time, has the highest quality writing and artwork, provides thrills every month, takes its time to draw out interesting arc after interesting arc without feeling like it’s *cough Secret Invasion cough* padded… I don’t think there’s another Marvel title that comes close.

The one reason that I can’t totally, 100%, accept Bucky as Cap, though, is that Steve Rogers was just getting warmed up as a character when he met his twisted fate at the hands of Dr Faustus (via Sharon). It wasn’t like he’d run his course and there was nothing left to say about him… Bru had actually made the character more fleshed out than ever before, and provided more depth to him (preserving but not solely relying on the “fish out of water” hook that Stan had introduced in 1964) than we’d ever been treated to before, over 40 years. There’s so much more for that writer to tell us about Rogers that I have no doubt he’ll be back before too much longer.

I honestly think that this run of Captain America will be held up decades from now as the definitive one for the character. It’s just that good.

]]> By: TomTrustworthy http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451417 TomTrustworthy Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:41:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451417 If the movies are handled correctly as a proposed trilogy, then the entire over-arching plot should be the rise and fall of Steve Rogers. Film 1: Steve Rogers in a period WW2 piece, with introduction and development of Bucky...who is believed dead at the end of the first film. Film 2: Cap revived in the present to deal with a special threat...the Winter Soldier, who ultimately finds himself responsible for the death of Rogers (programming by the Skull?). Film 3: Bucky's redemption and assumption of the Captain America mantle. That way, there is no need to revive Rogers via some ridicluous editorial mandate. Brubaker then is free to continue crafting the most superb mainstream comic in a long time. If the movies are handled correctly as a proposed trilogy, then the entire over-arching plot should be the rise and fall of Steve Rogers. Film 1: Steve Rogers in a period WW2 piece, with introduction and development of Bucky…who is believed dead at the end of the first film. Film 2: Cap revived in the present to deal with a special threat…the Winter Soldier, who ultimately finds himself responsible for the death of Rogers (programming by the Skull?). Film 3: Bucky’s redemption and assumption of the Captain America mantle. That way, there is no need to revive Rogers via some ridicluous editorial mandate. Brubaker then is free to continue crafting the most superb mainstream comic in a long time.

]]> By: Shaun http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451414 Shaun Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:06:43 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451414 I don't get the swipe at DC... So there's a crapload of Green Lanterns. Hell, there's even been several Flashes. But, after that..? There's probably a few other examples, but generally speaking aren't most identities unique to the DC heroes? I mean, did anyone really accept Azrael as Batman? Whoever takes up the cowl after the crapfest known as R.I.P. isn't really going to be accepted as Batman either. I don’t get the swipe at DC… So there’s a crapload of Green Lanterns. Hell, there’s even been several Flashes. But, after that..? There’s probably a few other examples, but generally speaking aren’t most identities unique to the DC heroes? I mean, did anyone really accept Azrael as Batman? Whoever takes up the cowl after the crapfest known as R.I.P. isn’t really going to be accepted as Batman either.

]]> By: Dwight Williams http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451408 Dwight Williams Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:16:05 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451408 Carla: You're right. Barnes has earned this. I say let it stand. Carla: You’re right. Barnes has earned this.

I say let it stand.

]]> By: Joshua http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451407 Joshua Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:13:52 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451407 Bucky is very much Cap (assuming Marvel doesn't lost their nerve anytime in the near future and reinstate Steve), very much the way other characters have taken over different super-hero mantles, though that's always been more of a DC staple than a Marvel. Still, I don't think Steve Rogers should be treated with so much reverence that no one else can be Captain America; especially considering Cap is more about an ideal rather than a single person. I miss Steve, but Brubaker and Epting have created a masterful series that will easily be remembered in history as one of the most definitive Captain America stories in history, if not the definitive story. Bucky is very much Cap (assuming Marvel doesn’t lost their nerve anytime in the near future and reinstate Steve), very much the way other characters have taken over different super-hero mantles, though that’s always been more of a DC staple than a Marvel. Still, I don’t think Steve Rogers should be treated with so much reverence that no one else can be Captain America; especially considering Cap is more about an ideal rather than a single person. I miss Steve, but Brubaker and Epting have created a masterful series that will easily be remembered in history as one of the most definitive Captain America stories in history, if not the definitive story.

]]> By: Gladiator X http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451401 Gladiator X Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:16:25 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451401 Steve Rogers will always be Captain America. Brubaker's story has been very entertaining but Bucky will never be "Cap". I've always preferred the Marvel U because the character's have always been the focus, not the mask. I've read and collected "Captain America" because I liked the character of Steve Rogers. He is why I buy the book still. It might be after Brubaker and Quesada have gone but Steve will be back and only then, will Captain America really be "back". Steve Rogers will always be Captain America.
Brubaker’s story has been very entertaining but Bucky will never be “Cap”.
I’ve always preferred the Marvel U because the character’s have always been the focus, not the mask.
I’ve read and collected “Captain America” because I liked the character of Steve Rogers. He is why I buy the book still. It might be after Brubaker and Quesada have gone but Steve will be back and only then, will Captain America really be “back”.

]]> By: jpollard http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451400 jpollard Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:07:25 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451400 Bucky...with the robot arm... an assasin for something like 30 or more years... "missing". Never stumbled across a single super hero fight since WWII. He just pops up out of no where (with a robot arm). "The Winter Soldier"? Ok, bucky. Bucky…with the robot arm… an assasin for something like 30 or more years… “missing”. Never stumbled across a single super hero fight since WWII. He just pops up out of no where (with a robot arm). “The Winter Soldier”?

Ok, bucky.

]]> By: ejulp http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/10/15/the-fifth-color-hey-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-451399 ejulp Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:31:54 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/?p=9725#comment-451399 I do, however, feel that the book has lost a lot of steam in the past 6 months or so (a bit too much of punch punch punch-prove my worth-doubts in my thought bubbles-punch punch). And as much as I like Bucky as Cap (its...ok), I really miss us losing the character of the Winter Soldier, he's a bit "too soft" now, and honestly it feels a bit too easy, how he's relaxed into the role (in how he's changed his approach to fighting and general attitude, not so much his actual trials or doubts). Minus the strange Sharon Carter degradation-torture fantasy (which I ranted about in that Blog@Lady Bullseye thread), it's still a solid book, a staple month in and month out; between Tony, Falcon, Bucky, Black Widow, Shield, and friends, it has one of the better casts in comics. I do, however, feel that the book has lost a lot of steam in the past 6 months or so (a bit too much of punch punch punch-prove my worth-doubts in my thought bubbles-punch punch). And as much as I like Bucky as Cap (its…ok), I really miss us losing the character of the Winter Soldier, he’s a bit “too soft” now, and honestly it feels a bit too easy, how he’s relaxed into the role (in how he’s changed his approach to fighting and general attitude, not so much his actual trials or doubts).

Minus the strange Sharon Carter degradation-torture fantasy (which I ranted about in that Blog@Lady Bullseye thread), it’s still a solid book, a staple month in and month out; between Tony, Falcon, Bucky, Black Widow, Shield, and friends, it has one of the better casts in comics.

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