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		<title>By: Julius Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julius Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats Tom!  Keep it up and you&#039;ll wind up becoming an adult which is quite painful from what little I&#039;ve experienced of it so far.  

I liked the Ostrander Hawkworld vision of Hawkman and Johns&#039; reincarnation heavy Hawkman.  Both good reads.  I completely missed the Hawkman one-shot because I thought it would be irrelevant and the art looked bad.  Umm, exactly what did I miss?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats Tom!  Keep it up and you&#8217;ll wind up becoming an adult which is quite painful from what little I&#8217;ve experienced of it so far.  </p>
<p>I liked the Ostrander Hawkworld vision of Hawkman and Johns&#8217; reincarnation heavy Hawkman.  Both good reads.  I completely missed the Hawkman one-shot because I thought it would be irrelevant and the art looked bad.  Umm, exactly what did I miss?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Bondurant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Bondurant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@collectededitions:  all good points.  I especially agree that it may be unfair to lay this round of changes squarely at Jim Starlin&#039;s feet.  We&#039;ll probably know more as the inevitable series gets closer.

@will:  speaking of the Fel Andar years, wasn&#039;t that (retconned into being) him in the JLI?  Giffen &amp; DeMatteis did a great take on Hawkman as a stodgy &quot;in my day&quot; grump.  I daresay they gave him the personality of Sam The Eagle....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@collectededitions:  all good points.  I especially agree that it may be unfair to lay this round of changes squarely at Jim Starlin&#8217;s feet.  We&#8217;ll probably know more as the inevitable series gets closer.</p>
<p>@will:  speaking of the Fel Andar years, wasn&#8217;t that (retconned into being) him in the JLI?  Giffen &amp; DeMatteis did a great take on Hawkman as a stodgy &#8220;in my day&#8221; grump.  I daresay they gave him the personality of Sam The Eagle&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What no love for Katar Hol, I didn&#039;t like it when all the Silver Age Hawkman was just dismissed like that. That was really Carter Hall &amp; some alien masquerading as Carter Hall Jr was in the silver/bronze age JLA just because they screwed up the chronology after Hawkworld. Then they just killed off Katar off panel. At least Hal Jordan &amp; Barry Allen went out like heroes (and came back). Why can&#039;t there be two &amp; fix the chronology. There&#039;s a Crisis going on Super-Boy Prime can just go punchy &amp; fix things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What no love for Katar Hol, I didn&#8217;t like it when all the Silver Age Hawkman was just dismissed like that. That was really Carter Hall &amp; some alien masquerading as Carter Hall Jr was in the silver/bronze age JLA just because they screwed up the chronology after Hawkworld. Then they just killed off Katar off panel. At least Hal Jordan &amp; Barry Allen went out like heroes (and came back). Why can&#8217;t there be two &amp; fix the chronology. There&#8217;s a Crisis going on Super-Boy Prime can just go punchy &amp; fix things.</p>
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		<title>By: collectededitions</title>
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		<dc:creator>collectededitions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on your new arrival!

One quibble with your article right off the bat is the statement, &quot;what Jim Starlin has apparently done to Hawkman.&quot;  Let&#039;s not blame the writer for what&#039;s obviously a shoe-horned editorial move -- what I can&#039;t figure though is who thought Hawkman&#039;s Egyptian origin &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; work; it was a nice compromise that accommodated all of Hawkman&#039;s past incarnations. Now it seems like DC&#039;s not cleaning up continuity -- they&#039;re making hash of it again.

Is Geoff Johns still using Hawman in Justice Society?  It&#039;ll be interesting to see how Johns uses Hawkman once he gets him back from Starlin&#039;s series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on your new arrival!</p>
<p>One quibble with your article right off the bat is the statement, &#8220;what Jim Starlin has apparently done to Hawkman.&#8221;  Let&#8217;s not blame the writer for what&#8217;s obviously a shoe-horned editorial move &#8212; what I can&#8217;t figure though is who thought Hawkman&#8217;s Egyptian origin <i>didn&#8217;t</i> work; it was a nice compromise that accommodated all of Hawkman&#8217;s past incarnations. Now it seems like DC&#8217;s not cleaning up continuity &#8212; they&#8217;re making hash of it again.</p>
<p>Is Geoff Johns still using Hawman in Justice Society?  It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how Johns uses Hawkman once he gets him back from Starlin&#8217;s series.</p>
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		<title>By: Steely Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steely Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only Hawkman story I&#039;ve ever liked was Tim Truman&#039;s original &quot;Hawkworld&quot; graphic novel from back in 1989. It&#039;s out of print but used copies are available from Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only Hawkman story I&#8217;ve ever liked was Tim Truman&#8217;s original &#8220;Hawkworld&#8221; graphic novel from back in 1989. It&#8217;s out of print but used copies are available from Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: Sluggo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Hawkman is an incredible character and boo on DC for undoing all the hard work that Geoff Johns, David Goyer, James Robinson, Steve Sadowski, Rags Morales and Ethan Van Sciver did revamping him a few years ago. Really, the &quot;Return of Hawkman&quot; story in JSA and his subsequent solo series were phenomenal and made the character work better than he ever had. 

So of course they are screwing him up again. 

Thank God Johns seems to be ignoring Starlin&#039;s nonsense in Justice Society of America and moving forward with his interpretation of the character, at least for now. 

I did like Hawkworld quite a bit, too, but the space cop thing never had as much potential as the reincarnated immortal warrior archaeologist adventurer concept. Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Hawkman is an incredible character and boo on DC for undoing all the hard work that Geoff Johns, David Goyer, James Robinson, Steve Sadowski, Rags Morales and Ethan Van Sciver did revamping him a few years ago. Really, the &#8220;Return of Hawkman&#8221; story in JSA and his subsequent solo series were phenomenal and made the character work better than he ever had. </p>
<p>So of course they are screwing him up again. </p>
<p>Thank God Johns seems to be ignoring Starlin&#8217;s nonsense in Justice Society of America and moving forward with his interpretation of the character, at least for now. </p>
<p>I did like Hawkworld quite a bit, too, but the space cop thing never had as much potential as the reincarnated immortal warrior archaeologist adventurer concept. Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, you&#039;re entitled to OMG KYOOT posts now and then if you want to... So go ahead! Best of luck to you and the family!

Anyhow, I agree with you about Hawkman. I had no investment in the character to begin with, and, oddly enough, his showing up in Trinity coincided with my losing interest in the book and ultimately dropping it. I enjoyed your annotations, however, which helped me understand the book A LOT better than I would&#039;ve otherwise, but in the end it still wasn&#039;t enough to get me through the weekly slog of that title. Promising start, but I couldn&#039;t stick with another 40+ weeks. Sorry. I&#039;ll stick with the annotations and recaps here, just to see if it picks up or becomes a lot less convoluted. If it does, I might come back (and scramble for back issues).

Anyhow, the only Hawkman I ever really dug was the one in the Hawkworld miniseries, and then the subsequent monthly title... I have no idea how the monthly series ended as I stopped reading comics before it ended, but with Shayera apparently dead (Sob... I really liked her in the comics AND in the JL/JLA cartoons)I&#039;m guessing it didn&#039;t end well. Somehow, her not being around just seems emblematic of the (many, IMO) problems plaguing DC these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you&#8217;re entitled to OMG KYOOT posts now and then if you want to&#8230; So go ahead! Best of luck to you and the family!</p>
<p>Anyhow, I agree with you about Hawkman. I had no investment in the character to begin with, and, oddly enough, his showing up in Trinity coincided with my losing interest in the book and ultimately dropping it. I enjoyed your annotations, however, which helped me understand the book A LOT better than I would&#8217;ve otherwise, but in the end it still wasn&#8217;t enough to get me through the weekly slog of that title. Promising start, but I couldn&#8217;t stick with another 40+ weeks. Sorry. I&#8217;ll stick with the annotations and recaps here, just to see if it picks up or becomes a lot less convoluted. If it does, I might come back (and scramble for back issues).</p>
<p>Anyhow, the only Hawkman I ever really dug was the one in the Hawkworld miniseries, and then the subsequent monthly title&#8230; I have no idea how the monthly series ended as I stopped reading comics before it ended, but with Shayera apparently dead (Sob&#8230; I really liked her in the comics AND in the JL/JLA cartoons)I&#8217;m guessing it didn&#8217;t end well. Somehow, her not being around just seems emblematic of the (many, IMO) problems plaguing DC these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally East</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations and good luck to all three of you :)

I would absolutely read the adventures of the Hawkman you describe, which is in stark contrast to reading nothing featuring him right now. 

My last name is O&#039;Neil. Once, my wife, having in mind all those times when names are read or written last name first, suggested we name our child &quot;Before Zod.&quot; 

It&#039;s probably a good thing we don&#039;t have kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations and good luck to all three of you <img src='http://blog.newsarama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would absolutely read the adventures of the Hawkman you describe, which is in stark contrast to reading nothing featuring him right now. </p>
<p>My last name is O&#8217;Neil. Once, my wife, having in mind all those times when names are read or written last name first, suggested we name our child &#8220;Before Zod.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably a good thing we don&#8217;t have kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Squashua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squashua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that it matters much, but I explicitly did not pick up that Hawkman Special on the grounds that after I flipped through it, I was unimpressed with the art, and had the idea the comic was simply a tool to introduce (but not explain) the concept of The Aberrant and to name Hawkman as one of them.  Meaning, the one-shot comic does not draw a conclusion.  If the above pretty much sums up the comic, then I&#039;m satisfied I did not waste money on the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that it matters much, but I explicitly did not pick up that Hawkman Special on the grounds that after I flipped through it, I was unimpressed with the art, and had the idea the comic was simply a tool to introduce (but not explain) the concept of The Aberrant and to name Hawkman as one of them.  Meaning, the one-shot comic does not draw a conclusion.  If the above pretty much sums up the comic, then I&#8217;m satisfied I did not waste money on the book.</p>
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