Just because you have free speech doesn’t mean what you say is right or have any legitimacy, nor does it mean it should be listened to.

Someone who is against gay marriage is against a persons human rights. This stance is no different than saying a white guy can’t marry a black girl.

I refuse to buy something that puts money in the pocket of someone that promotes hate and taking human rights away from anyone. Times like these I’m even more glad to be Canadian

There’s no “must,” but if someone is going to say something that
espouses the belief that a certain group of people should not have the
same rights as others, then that’s *wrong* and it should be addressed.
If Card doesn’t want to associate with homosexual people in his
personal life, that’s fine, he has that right. If he wants to go out
of his way to continually say “I don’t want to associate with
homosexual people *and I don’t think anyone else should either because
I think it’s dangerous to our children,” then other people have the
right to come out and say “that’s wrong.”

Maybe we should stone Card for having a politically incorrect
viewpoint or perhaps we should send him to a re-education camp for a
few years, shoot him up with drugs, intimidate his family, and then
send him to a concentration camp. That would teach him to stop
speaking what he thinks.

No one here is advocating any kind of violence or anything close to
that, so this hyperbole is pointless. We’re saying make an informed
decision about who you are supporting with your money. Don’t try to
morally intimidate people by saying that if you express disagreement
with him then you are a Nazi. Frankly, it’s insulting to people that
dealt with actual Nazis, as well as those who have faced actual
violence and intimidation for being or supporting gay rights. Or maybe
it’s just that important to you that folks are allowed to say that gay
people shouldn’t have the same rights as everyone else?

And yeah. Like another poster said, regardless of what you think of Card (I find him rather annoying), its still perfectly okay not to buy his stuff because its complete shite.

Maybe we should stone Card for having a politically incorrect viewpoint or perhaps we should send him to a re-education camp for a few years, shoot him up with drugs, intimidate his family, and then send him to a concentration camp. That would teach him to stop speaking what he thinks.

Hey, people, wake up! You’re acting like it’s 1984 and you don’t even know it!

Then how about because Card has called publicly for (some of) those same gay comic fans to be jailed to make the rest fearful of being themselves in public?

if you don’t like a creator’s work or beliefs, then DON’T buy his comics.

That’s exactly the point of this brouhaha, a lot of gay and gay friendly readers don’t know about Card’s columns or the degree of venom found in the language he uses. (Trust me, every time I write about this I encounter people who are appalled for the first time.) His columns need to be discussed so that people who don’t want their money going to someone who says such hateful things (and before you say “hateful” is a reactionary word, go and read his columns) can make an informed decision.

But then bringing those columns up for discussion is censorship, isn’t it?

In comparison, Card’s comments are chickenfeed.

Anyway, yeah, screw homophobes.

I wonder if he’d let the argument drop if we allowed and recognized civil unions with the exact same legal rights as marriage. We’re not calling it “marriage” so that’d be okay, right? It’s completely a problem of definitions and terms, right? Then again, it’s also his problem with the “gay agenda” and that children will be taught that gay couples living together in monogamy is “normal” and not something that should be feared or persecuted. Why is it so imperative and dangerous for children to be taught that homosexual behavior is not normal? I know the big fear is always that children will then make the “choice” to be homosexual and then the future of the species becomes endangered because we’ll stop having children, or they will begin to be raised in “abnormal” households.

I’d forgotten how offensive I find his views on this matter. I’d forgotten how hard it became for me as a reader and retailer to just say “it’s separating the art from the artist, no more than that” after reading rant after rant about the societal dangers that homosexual marriage poses. I’d forgotten, and it kind of shames me how easy it was for me to look the other way on this, but I’m reminded again and I think we all should be reminded.

It’s not okay because it’s “just gay marriage.” It’s not just gay marriage. It’s not just a matter of how the terms are defined or how “inheritance, property, paternity, divorce, adoption and so on” are dealt with by society.

It’s the fact that the act of teaching that homosexual behavior is normal, that those relationships happen and that there is nothing wrong with them, is what he’s upset about. He’s upset that children are being taught that this lifestyle is acceptable, and that can really only mean that he finds the lifestyle unacceptable, and I think that absolutely qualifies him as a homophobe.

It’s not a question of if the artist working on the piece of art you’re interested in buying shares the same or similar political beliefs as you, it’s that he finds an entire group of the human population unacceptable, and that they should not have the same rights as the rest of us.

George, I’m gay. Please don’t assume to speak for me or for “all of [Marvel's] gay fans.”

I don’t think I should be in the position of dictating to Marvel what its hiring and firing policies should be. The most I believe I am responsible for is not purchasing a comic written by Card and explaining to Marvel why they lost my money, which ultimately is the most important message you could deliver to a profit-driven organization.

If Marvel wants to make all of its writers and artists pass some kind of political litmus test before they can write or draw for the company, they should do that.

How so? Just don’t read his stuff. I’m under the belief that as long as his viewpoints and opinions don’t translate into his work, I really don’t see what the problem is. You don’t like him? Fine, don’t buy his stuff, but don’t get over dramatic saying Marvel is disrespecting it’s fan base because they hired him to make them some money.

It’s not about Card being against gay marriage. He’s actually out there on the internet publicly advocating that we keep laws on the books to make homosexuality illegal.

I agree that it should not be Marvel’s (or any other publisher’s) place to police the political beliefs of all of their writers, however I do think there are lines that can be crossed that are too offensive to ignore.

It’s a slap in the face from Marvel to all of its gay fans (of which there are many, like myself) to have this jerk working for them.

He repulses me so much that I can’t bring myself to read his work ever again. I already knew what a homophobe he is, but I didn’t know he’s advocating overthrow of the government now, and all this other garbage.

I won’t tell anyone not to read his stuff (just as I wouldn’t tell someone not to read Mein Kampf), but I think it would be a great thing if Marvel backed out of working with him, and I hope his Ender movie never gets made either. I’ll never understand how someone so talented can be such an idiot.

So, you think if comic fans try to “force” Marvel to not extend more work-for-hire to Marvel via writing emails and not buying their books by Card (or their books in general), taht makes them like Nazis?

Um, in what way?

Re the Card editorial thing: The guy who wrote that piece a professional writer? Because, his dumb-ass opinions aside, that’s not a very well constructed or communicated argument.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/index2.html

I meant to say “Gay comic fans cross the line into Nazi territory if they try to force Marvel to fire Card because he is against gay marriage.”

I’m in complete agreement with you. Gay comic fans cross the line into Nazi if they try to force Marvel to fire Card because he is against gay marriage.

Besides, gay creators have also been on the receiving end of would-be censorship. Recall how Allen Heinberg (a gay White man) revealed that Patriot was addicted to MGH in “Young Avengers,” thereby causing some Black fans to brand the writer racist.

Bottom line: if you don’t like a creator’s work or beliefs, then DON’T buy his comics. This is more effective and just than stifling someone’s freedom of speech as occurs in too many countries (e.g., China).

Marvel Comics’ mission should be to produce the best comics they possibly can, not hire people who conform to a particular political agenda.

The bottom line in this issue is that two consenting adults should not be barred from LEGAL (not relgious) consumation of their relationship. This includes the polygamous relationships still endorsed by some sectors of the Mormon church (I love me some HBO’s Big Love). Or polyandry for that manner. As long as it is between consenting adults (not children) is has no affect on me. There is this thing called separation of church and state, and not hindering one individuals pursuit of happiness with your own.

I am sure others may see it differently, cool… again this is the USA. But I think Marvel in particular should rethink support of this writer given the number of gay people who buy comics. It tends to look like as if they support this man’s views. Besides what could be gayer than men and women in hardly any clothes or tight spandex wrestling and fondling each for dominant power in the universe…