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Warner, DC meet to plan movie strategy

July 11th, 2008
Author Kevin Melrose

Often criticized for its handling of its comic-book properties, Warner Bros. is holding high-level talks with DC Comics to develop a film strategy for its superheroes.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Warner Bros. Pictures Group president Jeff Robinov and Warner Bros. Pictures president Kevin McCormick have met with DC executives and top creators over the past couple of weeks to hammer out a new direction for the big-screen adaptations:

Up until now, the comic properties had been undergoing a hodge-podge development process. With the recent success of Marvel Studios’ Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk and that company’s plan to develop its many characters linked strategically together, Warners has been forced to take a close second look at its sister company.

Warner Bros. is keeping quiet on the details of the meetings, but released a statement saying: “While we are not going to go into the specifics of the meetings, we’re constantly looking at how best to exploit the DC Comics characters and properties. DC is an incredibly valuable asset to Warner Bros. and plays an important role across the entire studio by providing development and franchise opportunities for all media, including films, television, home entertainment, animation, consumer products, video games and digital platforms.”

Variety reports that, “Warners watchers may feel a certain deja vu, though, with all this talk of giving DC more attention.” In 2003, the studio was ready to hire someone to drive the development of DC characters:

Yet this year, Warner Bros. has been unable to point to anyone at the studio with responsibility for overseeing the DC characters. While DC’s senior VP of creative affairs Gregory Noveck pegs Warners toppers Jeff Robinov and Alan Horn as “the ultimate decisionmakers,” they’re the decisionmakers for pretty much everything at the studio, and neither is in a position to dive into active development of the DC universe.

In fairness to Warner Bros. and DC, the trade paper points out that The Dark Knight, which opens next week, has generated tremendous buzz, and Watchmen is scheduled to open early next year. And DC has had more success than Marvel in translating its characters for television.

 
63 Responses to “Warner, DC meet to plan movie strategy”
  1. Ivan Says:

    About bleeding time.

  2. elvee Says:

    I think this meeting was requested by Michael Uslan’s cardiologist. Good to see that WB wants to get their act together on this, especially before they begin serious work on Jonah Hex.

  3. Fanboy Menace Says:

    Why in God’s name didn’t DC follow through on this back in 2003? After 8 straight years of Marvel hits they only now decide it’s an urgent matter? Sheesh.

  4. Roy Says:

    Well, it’s about (bleeping) time DC/WB got their act together. They’re sitting on a goldmine of material, and all they’re using are the Big Two and Watchmen (I give them kudos for that and their TV animation work).

  5. NewSentinal Says:

    Well it’s just a bit sad that hatred of Marvel is all it takes for warner to show DC some love.

  6. NeoSamurai Says:

    about damn time. hopefully this will stick and not end up becoming a WB tells DC what to do and how to do it like it has been for the past 10 years.

  7. NeoSamurai Says:

    er..twenty years (actually)

  8. Troll King Says:

    QUOTE -”Why in God’s name didn’t DC follow through on this back in 2003? After 8 straight years of Marvel hits they only now decide it’s an urgent matter? Sheesh.”

    Yeah, with the quality of films like Elektra, Ghost Rider, X-Men United, and Daredevil (and arguably Spider-Man 3)… what were they thinking??

  9. Rod Says:

    “With the recent success of Marvel Studios’ Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk and that company’s plan to develop its many characters linked strategically together, Warners has been forced to take a close second look at its sister company.”

    The Incredible Hulk is doing roughly the same numbers as the previous Hulk which was not thought highly of to put mildly but with higher ticket prices nowdays a “success” is a stretch. Iron Man is a big time success indeed. Hulk no.

    Wasn’t all previous Marvel Movies before Iron Man not of the same Marvel Studios control?

    And for all the DC Warner brothers bashing is there truely anything they can do to make them happy? If the Dark Knight beats Iron Man? DC/Warner has ten movies out in one year? Watchmen beats Iron Man and Hulks movie takes put together? Marvel puts out a string of movies that are as good as Elektra?

  10. Adam D. Kline Says:

    “Marvel hatred”… fanboys, get over yourself. This is BUSINESS. It’s about seeing what works and, to use WB’s term, “exploiting” it for maximum profit.

  11. Cray_ws Says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it. A meeting doesn’t fix the problem, but its a(nother) start.

  12. Hawkins Says:

    two words: Suicide Squad :)

  13. Darquehex Says:

    Yo, DC, I heard of this great company that has been making quality movies with more than a few lined up that you should maybe give a call to and fork over those licenses: MARVEL STUDIOS. If you’re lucky maybe Wonder Woman can join the Avengers.

  14. Scavenger Says:

    Uhm, this isn’t necessarily a good thing.

    “Someone to oversee development..”

    WB could easily choose Jon “How about Superman fights a polar bear?—Can Sandman and the Corinthian get into a fist fight?” Peters for the job.

    Or corporate man Dan Didio (who actually might be a good fit for the role, despite the screaming and gnashing of teeth).

  15. ujedimastercap Says:

    what no more CATWOMAN-like movies??? what a shame.

  16. ARBY64 Says:

    Was “exploit” really the best word they could have used there in the statement?

  17. Vinnie Bartilucci Says:

    Don’t be too excited about WB taking a larger interest in the DC characters. They may just decide that in order to make the films better, some changes need making to the comics.

  18. Rock Roche Says:

    Aquaman movie. Let’s make it happen DC.

  19. Alan Coil Says:

    NewSentinel said:
    “Well it’s just a bit sad that hatred of Marvel is all it takes for warner to show DC some love.”

    It’s not hatred, it’s envy. Envy of all the money Marvel is making, yet keeping it all for the company. That’s the best part for Marvel. They aren’t sharing the revenue with 6 other companies who were involved with filming the movie, making the prints, advertising, etc.

  20. Ken Lowery Says:

    It is absolutely amazing how people with absolutely no working knowledge of an industry (or two industries!) nonetheless opine frequently and bitingly on those industries.

    Good lord, fanboys.

  21. Dirk Manning Says:

    “Exploit.”

    Nice.

  22. Drew Says:

    I’m with Alan. Time-Warner sees that Marvel is building a cinematic universe–something that’s never been done before–and is eating their lunch. WB has finally figured out that they have a golden goose, and that spot successes like DARK KNIGHT won’t give them a long-term win against IRON MAN, HULK and AVENGERS.
    We’ll see if their intentions here are followed up with meaningful action. For now, I’m skeptical.

  23. Glenn Walker Says:

    “Exploit.”

    Nice.

    Yep, Dirk, you said a mouthful. I think that tells us everything we need to know…

  24. Kevin Melrose Says:

    Heh. The first definition of “exploit” is, “to employ to the greatest possible advantage,” or, “to make productive use of (utilize).”

    It doesn’t necessarily have the negative connotation some are trying to attach to it.

  25. Jason M. Bryant Says:

    I don’t think the problem with DC movies is a lack of DC involvement. I think the problem is organisational within WB.

    Wonder Woman stalled out because Joss Whedon wasn’t allowed to make it. He worked for two years on that. He turned in script after script and they’d tell him it wasn’t what they wanted, but they couldn’t tell him what they did want. If he’d been allowed to make a movie, it might have been a blockbuster and it might not have, but it probably would have been at least decent. By interfering so much, they got nothing at all.

    Batman Begins was good because they mainly just let Christopher Nolan make his movie. We didn’t hear anywhere near as much about studio interference on that one. However, before Nolan the Batman franchise had all the same quibbling about which script, which direction, and massive internal WB politics. Once they let Nolan go, things took off.

    That’s how all their movies go. The franchises hang in limbo for years or decades until they finally let a director have real control. If they’d pick good directors and writers and then let them work, they’d do better. Not perfect, because there are other problems, but better.

  26. jimmy palmiotti Says:

    hmmm, JONAH HEX, THE MONOLITH, 21 DOWN, POWERGIRL, HAWKMAN, FREEDOM FIGHTERS….LOL.

  27. caats19 Says:

    about time WB. i was hoping this would happen. but i didn’t think it would. let’s hope something comes of it.

  28. Andrew Wickliffe Says:

    Warner did let a director have real control–Superman–and the fanboys hated them for it. Newsarama, I recall, ran a negative review of the film chastising Warner for it no less

  29. Mike Says:

    What’s this?

    A discussion of DC’s movie woes and 25 comments in no one has written something along the lines of “‘Superman Returns’ was gay”?

    This place is veering dangerously close to maturity.

  30. Mr. Wiggles Says:

    Vinnie Bartilucci Says:

    Don’t be too excited about WB taking a larger interest in the DC characters. They may just decide that in order to make the films better, some changes need making to the comics.

    ***

    Well, to be honest, some changes to the comics may not be a bad idea for DC right now…

    Of course, I’ve always been of the mind that having the comics reflect the movies (or vice versa) would be a good thing — I’m assuming WATCHMEN will fall in this category. And on the flip side of that, the more the Bat books were like BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT the better, I would think.

    So overall, just take whichever version is “better” for the comic: if the movie version is better, then go with that. And if the comic version is better, then just stay with that.

    Good move for DC and Warners either way, though!

  31. Nate Says:

    Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and X-Men 3 are viable examples of Marvel’s hit after hit scenario. Just because they weren’t good doesn’t mean anything, they MADE MONEY. And to a studio exec who probably doesn’t read comics, it means EVERYTHING.

  32. Chris Says:

    If they can’t do any better than Superman Returns then I don’t want any more movies anyway. Geez that was a bad movie!

  33. batmansgirl Says:

    Hey DC! DON’T FORGET TO REVAMP YOUR OWN WEBSITE. It’s in DIRE need of an upgrade!

  34. Josh Says:

    Honestly, my vote is to move Dan Didio to this position of overseeing DC movies at WB (his background is in TV afterall) and consider giving his current job to someone else. I think Dan would do a great job there.

  35. Mark Says:

    “Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and X-Men 3 are viable examples of Marvel’s hit after hit scenario. Just because they weren’t good doesn’t mean anything, they MADE MONEY. And to a studio exec who probably doesn’t read comics, it means EVERYTHING.”

    Hey Nate – No one disputes Marvel’s property movies have made money. Heck – even Schumacher’s Batman and Robin can be looked at as a commercial success. I’m by no means a DC apologist, but I just hate it when people climb on board the ‘DC hate wagon’ when there’s only been 2 hit movies out so far and all of sudden Marvel is put on a pedestal for creating the ulimate movie business model. It’s apples and oranges.

  36. Ken Lowery Says:

    Yep, Dirk, you said a mouthful. I think that tells us everything we need to know…

    Sorry, did you think Time Warner owned DC for any other reason? Or that DC or Marvel (or any other publisher, period) were not first and foremost interested in turning a profit?

    What’s it like on Bizarro Earth?

  37. Booster66 Says:

    To be honest I this whole thing just seems like a PR stunt. Many of the same people and the same WB corporate culture are still in the drivers seat now as they were before. New lines of communication don’t really mean anything… especially when it could have been done a long time ago, when it should have been, and wasn’t.

    Marvel Studios has created some initial success with the always revolutionary idea (for some amazingly dumb reason) of just treating the source material with some respect. But as stated above MANY of there more recent “other-studio” pictures we’re “no-soul-hollywood-assembly-line” disasters (at least in terms of quality… all planted firmly in the “cause we need more product for viability” category) I love what Marvel Studios is attempting to do now and think they have definately gotten off on the right foot… but success has a way of ruining things fast. Big money always means more voices weighing in on how not to kill the golden goose or turn over bigger money. I’ll have faith in Marvel the same way I have faith in PIXAR when the 5th and 8th movies they do are still as good as IRON MAN.

    I think the WB is just trying to hold up the Marvel studios profile and say “Hey Hey… look at us… We can do that too… US TOO!!!” cause that’s what’s getting all the buzz. Its all about the perception of profitability. Nothing more.

  38. Uncle Jawa Says:

    Unless DC has it’s own film studio, ala Marvel, they are going to remain Warner Bros.’ b*tch.

  39. Mike Luoma Says:

    Maybe, just maybe, Warners is starting to “get” it. But don’t get your hopes up.

    To the other failed DC projects someone listed above, you can add Kevin Smith’s “Superman” fiasco. And the failed Superman/Batman project.

    Warners has shown a remarkable lack of savvy with the DC properties. This was evident when Dark Knight was in production and Singer’s 2nd Superman was development… and Warners was developing Justice League AS A COMPLETELY SEPERATE PROJECT!! Different Batman (maybe… he was going to be missing…) different Superman… dumb, dumb, dumb.

    It’s beginning to look like Warners is only JUST NOW realizing that there actually IS such a thing as the DC “Universe”. How ironic is that? Here DC comics is so into preserving the DCU status quo that no matter the storyline, everything goes back to the way it was at the end, and the parent company could care less, and has…

  40. the last real comic book fan Says:

    This is bad don’t the WB know that Marvel is doing so bad that they closed their own studio and now are owning the government money, I mean look at how bad the Hulk was it was just a ripoff of the TV show back in the 80s

    Iron man felt too realistic and was very dumb down please DC don’t make a Joke of your character like marvel did with spiderman

  41. Mike Says:

    Yeah just what we need more men in tights Man fuck you Hollywood

    I like what one comic book owner said DC makes comics NOT movies

    The only reason Marvel make movie is because they know they run out of personal tragics to copy from for their comics

  42. Kevin Melrose Says:

    “… don’t the WB know that Marvel is doing so bad that they closed their own studio and now are owning the government money …”

    Pardon?

  43. Unit99 Says:

    No love for Vertigo & Wildstorm? When the (general movie public) grows tired of “tights”…these TWO can answer the call. This is where WB can have an edge over Marvel. Just my opinion.

  44. crackwalker Says:

    It would be nice if the execs would recognize that these characters and stories have been around for so long because they like them _the way they are_ – they’re classics. It would be great to see a Superman movie that had a recognizable version of the character we know from the comics.

    The success of the Marvel Studios movies comes from writing scripts that are rooted in the comics stories. They didn’t make Iron Man in desert camo because then it wouldn’t have been iron man unless he’s gold and red. It’s not really Hulk unless he yells ‘Hulk Smash!’ They finally are starting to get it right.

    It would be nice if they had done a Catwoman movie that was modelled after some version of the character that is recognizable. Maybe we’ll start to see some respect for tried and true stories that are perhaps a bit different than what hollywood is used to producing.

  45. eric Says:

    Well, bout damn time. Now if they will realize when doing Batman to not have some many villians in one movie and not to kill the villians off I will believe them more.

  46. SUPERATE Says:

    Why does WB think that Marvel is an overnight success? Everyone at Marvel Studios worked damn hard, made mistakes and learned from them, and now they are the envy of their genre. So they have a couple of meetings – big deal!
    Personally, I like the fact that WB is taking their time to develop their projects and no rush them into production. Give me one “The Dark Knight” over “Catwoman,” “Superman Returns,” and “Steel” any day of the week.

  47. Avin Harr Says:

    superman returns was a good f@#$%*! movie. not every superheroes movies have to have two guys beating the crap out of each other.
    jeez…quit hating people.

  48. captainzero Says:

    A good Batman movie: The Dark Knight.
    A good Superman movie:
    A good Wonder Woman movie:

    A very good Superman/Batman movie.
    A very good Justice League of America movie.
    A “building to a “crescendo” of characters, villains, and story.

    We should get to see who the three main heroes are… and we should get to see them team-up in a DC Universe.

    Marvel, under Stan, knew how to bring their characters together before and far more effectively than did DC… (The JLA book, aside.) … and build a “Universe”.
    I remember reading World’s Finest in the ’50′s and wishing that the Superman, Batman and Robin team would add Green Arrow and Speedy— and Wonder Woman… and even the Martian Manhunter to the WF Team. DC was very slow to add the cross-overs.

    AT Marvel, we were seeing The Hulk guest-star in FF, Ant-Man and the Wasp in FF, The Hulk and Giant-Man fight, Captain America and Nick Fury cross paths in WW II, ….Stan and Jack just seemed to make Marvel a more coherent place.

    DC tried with the Flash and Green Lantern team, and a few others….but the DCU seemed harder to build. So it seems with the films. Why couldn’t Batman have had a “guest-shot” in a good Superman film…or Superman had a guest-shot in a good Batman film… promising a team up of the two??

    The Iron Man film was very good… promising even more with:”Mr. Stark, we’re putting together an Avengers initiative”. The Hulk film was good… and promised us even more with Ross and Stark talking together at the end. Marvel is on the way to building their “Film Universe” … with the coming Iron Man II, Captain America, Thor?? … Ant-Man? … And an Avengers film. Marvel seems to be moving along this “crescendo” path with solid steps along the way.

    DC NEEDS a successful SUPERMAN film(one that’s loved by the fanboys)… followed by a very good Wonder Woman film to get them “on the way”…building to a Justice League Movie… (in my humble opinion.)

  49. Mike Says:

    Marvel studios is a Joke look at how horrible iron man and The Hulk were I mean I swear its like the company’s being run by 15 year old But hey all Americans care about is money so No big shock

  50. Mike Says:

    Reality Check

    Marvel’s line-up has always had more pull, and now they’re finally showing this on the silver screen.

    The really bad news is that they’re flooding the market with too much product, a superhero movie almost every other summer weekend. Not a good idea, especially with much of the stuff being of inferior quality. The market may bottom out.

    And whats even worse is marvel is becoming a monopoly by focusing people to only buying their half ass crap I mean Marvel is so scared of competitions that they have kick DC comics Image and Dark Houser out of comic con wizard world and They Bought Diamonds sale market so their comics could be Number one all the time even though their not.

    I would not be shock if Marvel sue DC again for trying to sale their comics

  51. Shaun Says:

    Eric, so even though Batman Begins was masterfully done you still feel the need to criticize having “too many villains” and about “killing the villains off”? BB was a far cry from the second Burton movie or either of the Schumacher travesties. The various villains were handled with skill and it never felt as crowded as, say, Spider-Man 3. And Ra’s was killed off (or was he? They could bring him back with a Lazarus Pit at a later time, although I doubt they will), but Scarecrow and Falcone weren’t. Scarecrow, apparently, even make a brief appearance in TDK.

  52. Shaun Says:

    Avin, Supes Returns was NOT a good movie. That’s fine if you liked it, but don’t reduce people’s legitimate gripes down to wanting to see “two guys beating the crap out of each other.”

    Sure, more action and a lot LESS soap opera would’ve been great, but that doesn’t excuse how the movie was a blatant rip-off of the 1978 original, a lousy Lois who looked like she was 15 (and much younger than Margot Kidder in this supposed sequel to the first two movies), a (once again) jokey Luthor who really shouldn’t be a threat to Superman, the continued use of kryptonite as the only way to challenge Supes, and some really piss-poor writing when it came to the plot (Supes moping over/stalking Lois instead of keeping tabs on Luthor, figuring out what caused the massive power outages, where it happened and who was responsible).

    Did I mention the kid?

    Honestly… Where do they plan on going with THAT storyline? I’m not sure where the comics are going with Chris Kent either, but at least he’s not Supes’ kid. Another thing about that… Superman II ends with him promising the prez that he won’t leave again. Well, look what he did! He left. After promising he wouldn’t. Since he didn’t know Lois was pregnant, he must’ve left mere days, possibly weeks, after making that promise. Supes should be able to tell before ANYONE that there’s something different about Lois, or at least it should’ve occurred to him that she might be pregnant. So the whole premise behind the movie was just wrong.

    And what about Lois? Isn’t she really curious about how she could’ve had Supes kid? Her memory was somehow wiped at the end of Supes II, remember. That was dumb too, but that’s another arguement for another time.

  53. Mike Says:

    You could say the same about The Hulk movie Shaun it was a ripoff of the TV SHOW WITH THE SAME NAME

  54. JohnnyZito Says:

    @ Unit99 – “No love for Vertigo & Wildstorm? When the (general movie public) grows tired of “tights”…these TWO can answer the call. This is where WB can have an edge over Marvel. Just my opinion.”

    I think that’s more what this announcement is about. I think it has less to do with getting a ‘Booster Gold’ movie out the door as it does ‘Jonah Hex’.

    DC has a million imprints and each one of them has a bunch of franchises just waiting for a kick start.

    That’s almost like free money for life.

  55. Unit99 Says:

    @JohnnyZito – “I think that’s more what this announcement is about. I think it has less to do with getting a ‘Booster Gold’ movie out the door as it does ‘Jonah Hex’.

    DC has a million imprints and each one of them has a bunch of franchises just waiting for a kick start.

    That’s almost like free money for life.”

    I agree. One thing is for sure and that is “its a FACT WB sits on a goldmine with DC, Vertigo, Wildstorm, CMX, and (heck even)Minx. All WB has to do is realize this…and hopefully from this news above they have.

  56. Mike Says:

    WB is it stuipd like marvel they know fans don’t like comic book movie

  57. captainzero Says:

    “One interesting side note, while so far this year, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is the worldwide box office leader, Iron Man still holds to a slight lead over Indy for the domestic crown.”

    I think Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk performed well at the box office… and DC/WB really should be having a strategy meeting to “maximize” their properties in a sane and sensible way. To just throw out bad Superman …and, in the past, ..not very good Batman films — is not going to “get” them where they have the potential of going.
    These DC properties, — if handled right– (as we all know) have a tremendous potential in the marketplace. The properties have been seriously mishandled in the past.
    The “new” start with Batman is a very hopeful sign.
    I hope their meeting was “productive”.

  58. ubuking Says:

    It’s too early to name Marvel the leader in comic-book-related movies. No one has the ingredients for success. The same people building up Marvel right now will trounce them at their first failure. What they do right is honor the characters, all the other stuff just falls into place.
    I don’t know if it’s necessary to have a series of films that make up a universe (although I love the cameos), but for all of it to work you have to have a good product. By the time Marvel makes all the movies it needs to make in order to make an Avangers movie, how old will Robert Downey Jr be? Real actors don’t have the luxury comic book characters have and keep their youth.
    All WB needs to do in my opinion is honor the DC characters, all the rest will fall into place.

  59. Brett Says:

    Everyone needs to get a reality check.

    Just because WB has a summit, doesn’t mean we’ll see them move any faster, especially given Marvel’s onslaught of DC in the movie marketplace.

    First, WB needs to believe in their properties for them to make it past the development stage. WB Pictures is owned by Time Warner, who has dozens of divisions, all dealing with the same properties, few of whom speak to each other or are even on the same page.

    A prime example of dealing with the Time Warner MONSTER?

    WB Direct to DVD animated. When first announced, they were doing Superman, JLA and NEW TEEN TITANS JUDAS CONTRACT. New Teen Titans Judas Contract was put on hold because WB Direct to DVD did not believe the property was recognizable enough to support a direct to dvd release. This, after it was already announced and scripted by the brillant MARV WOLFMAN, who had already created the BLADE character that launched that successful francise for Marvel!

    This, after WB already has a successful Teen Titans cartoon based on Wolfman & Perez’s characters on Cartoon Network (Owned by, you guessed it, the big WB) AND sells quite nicely on dvd (all 5 seasons) already.

    WB Cartoon Network, WB Consumer products, WB Direct to DVD animated, DC Comics and yes, WB films are all separate entities who while owned by the same Monster Mama, all function almost independantly, which means, yes Titans can be a success in all other divisions but hey, who says the left hand knows what the right is doing?

    So if WB Direct to DVD doesn’t believe in one of DC Comics most successful properties in 30 years, (in comics, network television and already currently on dvd), don’t fool yourself into believing WB films is going to be any more convinced about any of DC’s other properties since its much cheaper to manufacture an animated film than a live one.

  60. joe Says:

    I don’t know what is the holdup on these potential movies!Warner bros should really use marvel studios as a blueprint on how to handle these movie adaptations.Instead of letting the warner exec have the “final decision” on what on these movies give it to dc ,they know more about the product than they do plus makes it more honest to the characters.I’m really craving to see a green lantern adaptation but the politics between dc and warner keeps delaying it.Pretty soon,the audience will so tired of this genre that they’ll go the “sex in the city” type or the action comedy w/ car chases and big explosions that were popular in the 80′s 90′s whatever they decide they should do it right away or lose billions of dollars of revenue thanks to their inactions

  61. 1AvidFan Says:

    I feel sorry for whomever is chosen to oversee the whole thing as they will be constantly questioned over every decision no matter how minor.

    If they are going to try and make a coherent DCU,i say start with the original super-hero team JSA forming in WWII and work from there. At the very least it would get the Flash and Green Lantern legacies a start.

    Everyone is too impatient about wanting another DC comics character on the big screen,let them take their time and ,hopefully,make a great movie rather than churn out bad to mediocre films.

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