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Six degrees of Steve Rogers?

May 13th, 2008
Author Kevin Melrose

Last week saw a lot of online chatter about the appearance of Captain America’s shield in the background of a scene from Iron Man. Is it just director Jon Favreau’s wink at comic fans, or part of an interconnected narrative that relates to those newly confirmed Captain America and Avengers movies?

A couple of days ago, I probably would’ve said the former. But now comes a new set of photos from The Incredible Hulk, which may include our first look at the Super-Soldier Serum that turned Steve Rogers into Captain America.

The new rumor is that the blue liquid in the photo at the right is the serum in question — used during World War II to create “a super soldier,” and again now to turn Emil Bronsky into the Abomination.

The shield or the serum separately is an Easter egg. The cameo of Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury at the end of Iron Man, by itself, is fan service. And the appearance of Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark in The Incredible Hulk is — well, I don’t know yet.

But taken together, these represent an effort by Marvel, or at least the writers and directors of these two films, to subtly and quickly create a “universe” — something not easily done in movies designed to stand on their own.

Oh, I know Marvel’s plan is to release an Iron Man sequel and solo projects for Thor and Captain America before bringing the characters together for The Avengers. I just didn’t expect them to be so deft in laying the groundwork.

 
54 Responses to “Six degrees of Steve Rogers?”
  1. Vichus Smith Says:

    I was only told afterwards that Cap’s shield was in the Iron Man movie. I don’t know if there is a real explanation of why Tony Stark has the shield (maybe he wanted to collect an expensive artifact from WWII) or if it’s truly just a wink at the fans.

    All I know is that comic book films should have all sorts of crossovers and nods to other characters. I hope Marvel can pull off an Avengers movie.

  2. Joshua Says:

    I’m still not convinced that it is Cap’s shield. I think people are seeing what they want to see.

  3. Ortiz Says:

    I think Joshua is right, but if that is Cap’s shield, well, it’s kind of interesting, let’s see what kind of easter eggs Marvel have prepared for Hulk. Remember what Fury said to Tony “you are now part of a whole new universe” or something like that. Peace.

  4. Will Says:

    Is there a better pic this is the first i have heard of this and cant really tell in the blury one above

  5. Jack Spicer Says:

    I’m more interested in that pic of Liv Tyler in the wet shirt.

  6. Kev Says:

    there’s an ant-man cameo in iron man too. when he’s flying through the city after falling from the sky, pym gets splattered across his mask.

  7. SpaceButler Says:

    A friend showed me this picture a few days ago and I met up with some friends to go see Iron Man again yesterday afternoon, and it’s there, clear as day, but it looks like its being assembled. It’s a great easter egg.

  8. Lou Says:

    “”The new rumor is that the blue liquid in the photo at the right is the serum in question — used during World War II to create “a super soldier,” and again now to turn Emil Bronsky into the Abomination.”"

    That doesn’t need to be a rumor. In the extended teaser shown at the NY Comiccon, they told Emil Blonsky that they were giving him a form of the Super Soldier Serum and showed the blue liquid in the vial. Pretty cool.

  9. Kevin Says:

    Am I the only one who noticed the Roxxon Corporation building during Tony’s fight with Obadiah, or am I just insane?

  10. Somebody Says:

    > Is there a better pic this is the first i have heard of this and cant really tell in the blury one above

    Directly under Tony’s right armpit.

  11. SBizzle Says:

    I definitely saw the Roxxon building during the last fight, I thought that was awesome. I missed the shield tho! damn, when does the dvd come out?

  12. Sean W Says:

    Awesome. :D

    That said, why would Iron Man have that particular shield? Was he designing it to be part of the Iron Man armor? Are they gonna establish that he found Steve Roger’s shield and managed to replicate the metal in the Iron Man armor?

  13. rolltidewall Says:

    I see it, but really, why? The super soldier serum makes sense, but why it Tony making a Cap’s shield?

  14. Travis W. Howard Says:

    Better pic (well, animated):
    http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3802/30nixpdfa4.gif

  15. Luke Says:

    I noticed the Roxxon building, but missed the shield on both viewings of Iron Man. I suppose Tony could have the shield as a reference — perhaps he was studying the alloy’s metalurgy, or something along those lines.

  16. Tommy Says:

    Stark’s a rich guy. To him, Cap’s shield’s a collectible. This way, there can be a cool scene in Avengers where, right after unthawing him, Tony can say, “Got something that belongs to you.” and hands Steve the shield.

  17. bruce Says:

    i applaude the synchronicity going on here. this may set a new trend in movie making.

  18. Omar Says:

    Considering the amount of money Tony has, and from the amount of cars he owned he is a collector… and what cooler thing to have than a item owned by a WWII hero like Cap?

  19. Billy Ray Says:

    Speaking for myself, this has been the whole appeal of the Marvel Universe to begin with.

    There’s not only a continuity, but an interconnectedness with all these characters. You can do a Batman film without referencing Superman (& vice versa), but so much of the Marvel stable is identified by their relations to each other.

    Which is why we’ll see a coherent Avengers film before we see a JLA one.

  20. Billy Ray Says:

    Speaking for myself, this has been the whole appeal of the Marvel Universe to begin with.

    There’s not only a continuity, but an interconnectedness with all these characters. You can do a Batman film without referencing Superman (& vice versa), but so much of the Marvel stable is identified by their relations to each other.

    Which is why we’ll see a coherent Avengers film before we see a JLA one.

  21. widowmaker293 Says:

    To people who might not understand why Stark has a prototype shield. Captain America in fact got his modern shield from Nick Fury and The SHIELD Agency. If the Nick fury they had in the film was African American I believe they will be keeping the same ULTIMATE universe intact. Remember Stark builds devices for the government who is to say a order wasn’t placed. Also keep in mind Fury says “You don’t think that you are the only super hero out there.” Possibly implying that Captain America might already exist and is still not publicly known. Could still be training until SHIELD is ready to introduce The Avengers to the world

  22. Joseph Says:

    I assumed that Stark was making the shield for Cap, that’s why it’s in his work station. I’m guessing it’s maybe a side project the government asked him to work on, develop an unbreakable shield for a possible “super soldier” to use. Either way, it’s seriously cool the way they are weaving these films together (although I imagine it will only take one flop, or even mild disappointment, to derail the whole Avengers movie plan).

  23. Jack Spicer Says:

    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/IMJ/Caps.png

  24. Stephen Says:

    I thought Stephen Colbert had Cap’s shield.

  25. Mike Partyka Says:

    Gee, thanks for spoiling the Nick Fury appearance. I swear, can’t people wait at least until a movie hits the dollar show before speaking freely?

  26. Kyle Says:

    You can doubt it all you want, but it’s definitely though. For proof, go to http://www.thecomicforums.com/forum2//index.php?showtopic=131774 – one of the forum posters there works for ILM (and yes, since someone is bound to ask, he really does work for ILM, he’s not an imposter).

  27. Brainlock Says:

    I didn’t get to see the Fury clip, my theatre never showed it (complained and have tix waiting for me), but if #21 is quoting SLJ/Fury, then what about DD/Elektra/X-Men/Blade, etc?

    I would imagine all/most of these would all be in the same “universe” in Hollywood/Marvel-land.

    I’m honestly surprised there were no X-Men references, but other superheroes were implied as existing at the final press conference.

  28. Rich Says:

    Brainlock, keep in mind that all the Marvel characters/properties you mentioned are currently under option at other studios. Unlikely they’ll show up in Marvel Studios flicks until those options expire.

  29. Max Says:

    I don’t think that’s Cap’s shield at all. It actually looks like a scale model of his house. The unfinished “star” shape is the actual top-down view of his home, and the “rings” around it are maybe perimeter markings or whatever.

  30. Gazoo Says:

    That’s NOT Caps Sheild at all! Not even close!

  31. seth Says:

    The three pointed star portion of the “shield” is actually a work lamp on Stark’s table. It is flattened out and blurry in the screen cap but clear as day on the screen.

    The portion of dark/light blue curving under his bicep is the lamp’s stand.

  32. Spy_Smasher Says:

    lol @ Mike Partyka who comes into an Iron Man movie thread a week after release and expects not to be spoiled.

  33. OmarSnake Says:

    Agreed Spy Smasher, it’s ridiculous to come into a thread about a movie that’s been out this long and get pissy about a spoiler. Me, I think the cap shield is just a fun easter egg and has no actual continuity implications.

  34. Fletcher Says:

    I just saw the movie and did not even notice the shield. More than likely it had to do with the fact that I thought the movie was horrible. From that photo it does not appear to be a shield of any kind. But if it were a shield I would go with it being a proto type of some kind. Stark in the movie is a collector, sure, he is buying a Jackson Pollack painting and then tells Pepper to store it. A WWII shield of Captain America and he just leaves it lying around. Doubt it. He would have had it stored too.
    Does it mean an Avengers movie? I guess anything is possible. I won’t go see it and I doubt any of the A list actors ( Robert Downey Jr ,Edward Norton). PLus, how long will it be to get one in the works? And do you release individual movies first or go straight into the movie. I don’t expect anything to happen soon just like with a Justice League movie. For now its all internet gossip.

  35. Kevin Melrose Says:

    Marvel has announced an Avengers movie, written by Zak Penn, for July 2011. A lot of things could happen between now and then to change those plans, but it’s certainly more than “internet gossip.”

  36. Brent Says:

    What about the program that ran the house–Jarvis?

  37. KomikFan Says:

    What about Jarvis? Well, he was voiced by Paul Bettany (for any of you who didn’t recognize him or mistook him for Jude Law, though they do sound alike) and I think it was great that they changed him from an Alfred Pennyworth rip-off to a wisecracking computer program (“of course, what was I thinking? You’re usually so discreet…”).

    Also, I dearly, dearly wish they would take all Marvel properties far, FAR AWAY from Zak (“Elektra” and “X-Men 3″) Penn. Why not give the Iron Man writers another go again? They did a bang-up job.

    You know, for all its success, I don’t even care if the Iron Man movie turns out to be the winning horse in the summer blockbuster derby because I freaking loved it no matter what. Own away, Dark Knight.

    What I do want, oddly enough, is for it to scoop up a heap of nominations (at LEAST) come awards season, and I don’t mean the usual Visual Effects or Sound Effects Editing or Sound Mixing nods. I mean if there was ever a movie that could establish the legitimacy of the superhero comic book adaptation it was this one, with its pitch-perfect mainstream actors, its cleverly-conceived script and technical perfection. If Raiders of the Lost Ark could get nominated for Best Picture in 1982, and if LOTR could WIN the Best Picture Oscar in 2003, maybe the Academy’s ready to recognize a new kind of film, even just nominally.

    And I’m dearly hoping for a Best Actor Oscar for Robert Downey, Jr. Since this movie came out so many people have been patting him on the back for carrying what was effectively his comeback movie with such panache, and considering the semi-political nature of the Oscars I wouldn’t be suprrised if people in Hollywood wanted to give him the award just to let him know how glad they are to see him back doing what he does best.

  38. Eduardo Says:

    Bem notado o escudo do capitão ao fundo. Verei o filme novamente só pra prestar mais atenção.

    Eduardo – http://www.odisk.com.br

  39. Alan Tadini Says:

    Não é o escudo não… é reflexo e imaginação.

  40. Lhuucas Says:

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    pow, o iron man tava pensando em usar, q mau tem nisso ?

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  41. Toshio Says:

    Nope, I checked my bootleg, it’s not the shield. It’s part of the machinery, it even moves.

  42. Toshio Says:

    I mean, part of the HOLOGRAPHIC gizmo that Tony uses to plan the armor.

  43. dan Says:

    it was confirmed to be Cap’s shield by Marvel Studios’ President Kevin Feige. check out the recent blog post about the Captain America movie, he says it there.

  44. ryangetty Says:

    ..uh, well its def. not in the commercial..haha..

    i looked and paused it and nothing was there..

  45. daiv Says:

    Firstly, Captain America didn’t originally use a round shield. Therefore it is possible that Tony is making the more famous one, whilst the other is with Cap. Rumor has it that there was a removed scene from “The Incredible Hulk”, in which Hulk is in the arctic trying to commit suicide and whilst smashing up the ice, a frozen form pops up out of the water.
    Secondly, the super soldier serum for Cap which was used on Blonsky is not the one from the photo above. It was a clear liquid, which was in the container marked Dr. Reinstein in the freezer that Gen. Ross pulled out. The blue serum was something else mixed with Hulk’s blood. The Hulk-blood serum mixed with the super soldier serum is what caused Blonsky to become the Abomination.
    Thirdly, Alberta is the stomping grounds of Wolverine. Wolvie’s first appearance was in the Incredible Hulk comic, when Hulk and Wolverine fought the Wendigo. Is this a coincidence? Especially, now that there are new rumors circulating around that Tony Stark has a cameo in “Origins of the X-Men:Wolverine” and that Wolverine was to be a member of the Avengers.

  46. richard Says:

    Again through retroactive continuity, it is established that the shield was presented to Rogers by President Franklin D. Roosevelt.[1] The shield is created by a fictional American metallurgist named Dr. Myron MacLain, who had been commissioned by the US government to create an indestructible armor material to aid the war effort. MacLain experiments with vibranium, an alien metal found only in Wakanda that has unique vibration absorption properties.
    The vibranium-iron alloy mix is then poured into a mold for a tank’s upper hatch to create the disc shape and painted to become Captain America’s symbol.

    Dr. Maclain did this independently and never worked for Stark Industries. He did later work for s.h.i.e.l.d. Tony Stark never developed Cap’s Shield, So all this would be is another gross screw up of yet another comic book storyline.

    I’m not saying that there shouldn’t been tie ins in movies what I am saying is, Captain America first appeared in Captain America Comics #1 (March 1941). Ironman first appeared in Tales of Suspense #39 (March 1963),the same year The Avengers Team was put together in The Avengers #1 (Sept. 1963). Cap came first, Tony did not make the sheild (He did however upgrade it before Cap was unthawed) The guy that wrote the article didn’t know that and if they don’t do Captain America next and do some type of a tie in at that point to Ironman, it will screw everything up. Captain America movie should have come first.

  47. Emmett Stegemann Says:

    Now that I have thought about that, you must be correct.

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