Judd Winick and Ian Churchill’s Titans #1 came out this week to mixed reaction.
J. Montes enjoyed the book:
As simple as the story sounds, it’s really the way it’s put together that makes it so polished. Winick has does a sound job of keeping me entertained throughout, and Ian Churchill’s art is excellent. Now, I’m not Churchill’s biggest fan, but the way he conveys action - more notably a scene in the beginning with Robin escaping from an exploding building and sliding down an adjacent skyscraper - is just brilliant. And did I mention that this guy can draw monsters! Holy cow, someone bring back the pre-hero Tales of Suspense and put Churchill on the book! Colorist Edgar Delgado also deserves a lot of credit for making this book pop. The colors he lays down on the fish creature that attacks Starfire is utterly amazing.
Anyway, if I haven’t convinced you to pick up this book on the art alone, give it a shot regardless. This is a good debut book that keeps the estranging of new readers to a minimum, and it’s a lot of fun to boot. This is how Marvel should have done Young X-Men #1… but anyway…(Grade: B+)
Seb Patrick did not like the book:
For anyone who remembers his nippletacular run on Supergirl, meanwhile, the prospect of Ian Churchill on art duties must surely be a cause for trepidation. What’s surprising, though, is how much Winick panders shamelessly to his, uh, “speciality”: treating us to three pages of Starfire flying and lounging around Animal Man’s garden completely starkers. Worse, he attempts to justify it by having Kori comment to herself (with as much subtlety as a neon sledgehammer) on American society’s apparent aversion to nudity. In a way, this actually managed to offend me more than the scene itself (which really is otherwise just embarrassing, in an “Oh God, sometimes they’re right about comics” kind of way) – if you’re going to objectify your characters for the sake of a bit of titillation, at least be honest about it. Don’t attempt to justify it by shoehorning in a genuine issue whose basis is in fact completely at odds with what you’re doing. Really, you have to wonder why he even felt it necessary – it’s not as if Churchill needs any prompting to go nuts with the cheesecake, and elsewhere in the issue we see Donna, Starfire (again) and some random gang members positively bursting out of their costumes, while the (high school age. HIGH SCHOOL!) Raven is given that ol’ Michael Turner standard: visible thong straps.
You suspect that Winick is just hoping this will get by on some hazy sense of nostalgia for the characters featured. But beyond their names, there’s very little to connect these cardboard cutouts with the people that grew and developed over Wolfman’s original run. As such, it’s very difficult to care about anything that happens to them. Furthermore, in the closing pages of the issue we learn that a bunch of other (apparently less important) characters actually did get badly hurt - and, in one case, killed - only, er, we didn’t actually see that scene. I’m guessing it happened in the ethereal “part one”, but the fact that I’ve had to guess should tell you everything about the paucity of storytelling ability on show here. It feels like an attempt to ape the style of the current Justice League of America series - and it succeeds, but that’s not exactly a good thing. All it means is that it’s a hollow, gaping void of a comic, with absolutely nothing to engage any reader. Unless they’re a brain donor, of course.
And Faust primarily liked the issue but has misgivings:
Churchill’s art is pretty decent. Details like the shards of glass stuck in Nightwing’s costume for the entire issue after he’s blown out of a window by an explosion on page 2 or the numerous quivers that Red Arrow has strapped to his person show that Churchill’s got talent. The only criticism I have is that all of his female characters look identical. He has some got characterization on Starfire early in the issue, but for the most part all of the females in this book look like they came from Michael Turner-land.
I just hope that Winick can keep gay rights out of this book. I’m all for gay rights, just not in my comics. And Winick has a habit of beating people over the head with a hammer when it comes to this particular issue. He did it back in Green Lantern, so I stopped reading Green Lantern.
So what do you think?
April 12th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Ironically, all this complaining about Churchill’s art is moot since he’s off the book for a while and replaced by…
…Joe Benietez.
Ummmmm.
April 12th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
mixed reaction? really? This one seemed to get bashed every blog and/or website I saw this week.
April 12th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Nik — You mustn’t read any Winick or Churchill fans, then. Don’t worry, Melissa linked one at the start.
April 13th, 2008 at 12:38 am
I just hope that Winick can keep gay rights out of this book. I’m all for gay rights, just not in my comics.
I hereby award this the Dan Slott Memorial Award for “Absolute Worst Possible Way To Criticize Something.”
April 13th, 2008 at 1:01 am
I’m All For Gay Rights But Not In My Comics… How About I’m All For Civil Rights But Not In My Comics, Or I’m All For Equal Rights But Not In My Comics? Is It Really That Bad? So Judd Leans On The Gay Rights Issue Hard. More Power To Him. I’m 45 Years Old And I Heard This Same Line Of Crap When Characters Like Jon Stewertand Tyroc Showed Up And Crashed The Party. Don’t Like His Stuff Dont Read His Books. But This NIMCB Stuff? Giue Me A Break.
April 13th, 2008 at 1:21 am
There were mixed reactions all over the place for this one. Someone check the Comicbloc forums, for example. And IGN gave it an 8.1 out of 10, while ‘Rama (or Troy Brownfield) bashed it. Then Wizard names it the book of the week.
April 13th, 2008 at 2:06 am
I think I can see Faust’s point to some degree. Not so much that I think gay rights shouldn’t be in comics, but I can see how someone might think that Winnick has done that enough for awhile.
I’m not thinking that because of anything to do with gay rights. It’s just that almost anything can be overdone.
M. Night Shyamalan doesn’t put a “What a Twist!” moment in every movie he makes, but he has done it often enough that people think of him as the guy who always does the big twists. Matthew McConaughey has done a few too many romantic comedies. Sean Penn is obviously a well meaning guy, but he talks about so many issues that it gets hard for everyone to take him seriously when he gets upset.
So maybe Winnick has done enough on that that subject for the moment. Not because it’s a bad subject, but because it looses its impact if it’s overdone, just like anything else.
April 13th, 2008 at 2:13 am
i like Churchill. really.
April 13th, 2008 at 2:14 am
I hated the coloring more than anything else
April 13th, 2008 at 2:24 am
I liked the idea of the comic but the writing seemed kinda bad, since when does Starfire prefer to be nude?
April 13th, 2008 at 2:42 am
Very well said, Jason Bryant. I couldn’t agree more.
April 13th, 2008 at 4:14 am
Jason wins, and I say this as someone who actually wishes there were more gay characters (and diversity in general) in superhero comics.
At this point, especially considering how truly shitty his writing has become, I think the best thing that Judd Winick could do, to promote positive portrayals of gay people (or any other group of people) within superhero comics would be for him to not write about them himself.
April 13th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Zeitgeist: Kory’s got a history of being puzzled over such issues, going back to Wolfman/Perez New Teen Titans books, I believe. She’s had it explained to her more than once over the years since she first arrival on Earth, but it still nags at her.
I may be in need of correction or clarification, though.
April 13th, 2008 at 9:04 am
My biggest problems with Titans #1 is that it read as if the writer hadn’t done his homework. There was, as Seb Patrick said, ‘there’s very little to connect these cardboard cutouts with the people that grew and developed over Wolfman’s original run.’ Additionally, the cat lazy use of huge panels diminished both characterization and drama. And, as others have also said, the focal point of the story should have been Raven, not Nightwing. The issue read as if it took ten minutes to put together and that that creators didn’t really know the characters they’re creating about.
April 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Ian Churchill’s art is a cliche, it’s every stupid thing about 90s comic book art all wrapped up in one eye-raping package.
Huge, Illogical Breasts?
Check!
Generic, indistinguishable faces?
CHECK!
Anatomy that took lessons from Rob Liefeld?
CHECK!
Sloppy storytelling and layouts?
CHECK, CHECK!
I really think Dan DiDio has it out for this book, he put the least appealing team he could on it. Winick and Churchill, why not just get Rob Liefeld to do covers and make me never ever want to buy it, ever?
I wouldn’t be surprised if sales pick up once people realize Churchill is off the book.
April 13th, 2008 at 9:47 am
“I just hope that Winick can keep gay rights out of this book. I’m all for gay rights, just not in my comics.”
AKA I’m all for gay rights except when I’m faced with it.
Oh, and on the issue here, what’s with the way Ian Churchill drew women’s lips in this issue? They look like they’re all wearing those toy wax lips!
April 13th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
You know what? I bet Devin Grayson is lurking on all these forums, looking at these reviews and chuckling to herself- “I bet you miss me NOW!”
April 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Depends which Devin Grayson you’re talking about: the one Waid helped finetune scripts for or the post-break-up one.
April 13th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I’ve no problem saying I liked Grayson’s Titans run…
April 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Comparing M. Night Shyamalam’s Movies Is Like Comparing MLK To The Rambo Movies. One Is Annoying The Other Is A Matter Of Intolerance.
April 13th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I loved Grayson’s Titans! That was my favorite run ever. Followed closely by the Haney one in the Showcase Presents volumes.
I missed the Wolfman/Perez version by an accidnet of birth.
April 13th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
“Comparing M. Night Shyamalam’s Movies Is Like Comparing MLK To The Rambo Movies. One Is Annoying The Other Is A Matter Of Intolerance.”
Except that I wasn’t comparing them in general. I was talking about one specific principal.
The entire point of the comparison was that it was a general principal, not a statement about the specific issue that Winnick is trying to advocate. The principal is sound. If the same person does the same thing repeatedly, it has less impact regardless of the importance of the message.
April 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Wait, I can’t parse that analogy at all.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
why did you feel the need to use the homophobic review? there’s plenty of reviews on titans #1; we didn’t need the review saying that there shouldn’t be gays in comics (there’s NO WAY to have gays in comics yet not discuss gay rights).
April 14th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Variations on a Theme is a column designed to highlight different points of view on a particular topic in order to promote discussion.
As is evidenced by the previous comments, Faust’s review clearly did just that.