I happened upon some interesting ideas in my weekly reading.
BetaCandy at Hathor Legacy:
Because when a young woman watches Battlestar Galactica and realizes she doesn’t have to conform to gender roles, it’s a bit late. She may change and blossom and lead a full life outside the expectations other people put on her the instant she was identified as a baby girl, but what a revolution it would’ve been if she’d figured this out in grade school instead of adulthood.That’s what people are so afraid of. If we teach adult women they’re people just like men, we make a dent in the system. If we teach five year old girls they’re people, we crash the system and replace it with one that’s not all about white perpetual boys in a state of arrested development. Girls would grow up expecting to be taken seriously, to be respected, but more to the point: they would grow up expecting things of themselves (at least as often as men do).
And they would expect maturity from men, which is exactly what the consumer market doesn’t want: it wants men to remain adolescents forever, so it can sell them shoddy products when they’re 60. Maybe this is the real reason why Hollywood hates women: it’s run by Peter Pans, for Peter Pans. They see women as Wendy, who can tag along if she’s willing to do the motherly duty, but must not be allowed to interfere in this unnatural extended boyhood Hollywood has made the norm.
We no longer even have matinee idols who attempt to represent the rugged American male, self-reliant and strong. Many people blame feminists for that, but they’re wrong: feminists offered a reformed vision of manhood, still strong and self-reliant, but with the addition of an emotional palette and the ability to introspect. The consumer marketplace – an extension of the status quo, not feminism – rejected that being as someone who wouldn’t mindlessly buy horse pucky marketed as gold. They instead sought to create a neurotic, navel-gazing mess and market that as the feminist ideal for men (a false premise truly feminist-produced shows like Cagney & Lacey neatly deconstructed with several male characters). This led to the widespread belief that feminists tried to make men into “sissies”, when in fact what feminists sought was a redefinition of gender roles that allowed both men and women to be strong and self-reliant, without demanding anyone stop having feelings.
Feminists want a world in which both men and women are allowed to have feelings about the world and their lives, and both are allowed to take steps to make themselves happy, and everyone can finally be held responsible for his/her own happiness because no one’s being denied the right to feeling or action.
Mickle in the comments of the quoted post:
Personally, I think what scares Hollywood – and everyone else – the most is the fear that anyone might learn that little boys don’t have to conform to gender roles. Once you decide that, everything is blown to bits. I mean, there’s a certain logic to women wanting to be like their betters, as much as we can’t have that. But boys identifying with female characters. My god, the horror! Next thing you know people won’t just be saying that women can do men’s jobs, but that men should value women(’s jobs)! And not in a condescending “as only a mother can” kind of way.
Lizriz in the same comment thead:
And the thought that men might someday not be trained to find female characters and stories to be irrelevant and of no interest – well, it is my fervent dream that all human stories are valued the same. Can you imagine an Oscar ceremony where all the films have primarily female characters instead of the other way around??? And more ideally, where the gender (and race for that matter) is actually balanced???
William Moulton Marston in a 1943 American Scholar article (as quoted by Trina Robbins in The Great Women Superheroes):
It’s smart to be strong. It’s big to be generous, but it’s sissified, according to exclusively male rules, to be tender, loving, affectionate, and alluring. ‘Aw, that’s girl stuff!’ snorts our young comics reader, ‘Who wants to be a girl?’ And that’s the point: not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength. . . . Women’s strong qualities have become despised because of their weak ones.”
All of this served to remind me that I’d never seen a Wonder Woman cartoon for little girls on Saturday mornings.
April 11th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Wow, you’re right. Please, someone out there, stop worrying about whether Blue Beetle will blow too much sunshine up a Batman cartoon and make this happen.
April 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Yeah. But She-Ra kicked ass.
April 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Jem was a favorite of mine
April 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
She was truly outrageous.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
All of this served to remind me that I’d never seen a Wonder Woman cartoon for little girls on Saturday mornings.
That’s simply because Wonder Woman doesn’t dress for Saturday mornings. Just because she’s DC’s flagship female icon doesn’t make her a good flagship icon for the Saturday morning age group. There are surely too many editorial hoops to jump through for her to get all the way to the finish line.
April 11th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I’d thought that the feminist potential of Wonder Woman was a myth, but I’d apparently been reacting to the depictions of Wonder Woman over the past several years. She was created with the intent of inspiring girls (see http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/article/CA6417196.html ).
SRS
April 11th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I just have to add here that Kim Possible kicked animated butt as an openly and overtly feminist icon for years…but the show flew under the radar of mainstream fandom simply because it was on Disney and didn’t feature a character who’d previously been in funnybooks. Anyone who critiques cartoon depictions of gender roles and doesn’t invite Kim or my boy Ron Stoppable to the table isn’t getting the whole story.
April 13th, 2008 at 8:26 am
I don’t think you’re going to get any counter-argument re: Kim Possible. Not from me, at least, as I’ve seen that show. It has its moments, and I didn’t think I’d say that much about any Disney show.
April 13th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Can someone explain this to me?
“And they would expect maturity from men, which is exactly what the consumer market doesn’t want: it wants men to remain adolescents forever, so it can sell them shoddy products when they’re 60.”
I think I misunderstand what’s being said. I agree with the overall message but this sentence sticks out to me.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:52 am
I totally agree that you have to teach kids young that we’re all equal. I love it when my daughter watches Backyardigans where the girls are pirates, explorers and vikings too.
You know who I think is the sexiest man in film? Cary Grant. He was smart, sexy, funny, witty and didn’t need to smash things or shoot a gun with a zillion bullets yet he was a cool action guy. He also could out Bond Bond in a tux. As a feminist I am totally in love with most of Cary Grants characters in films. And bring back the old Doom!!
April 14th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
You know, right after Transformers came on, back in the 80s, I was right there watching Gem (or was it Jem?), and my parents didn’t think much of it. Same thing with She-Ra, right after He-Man.
Personally, all what was said up there, what has to be fought against, was presented in the SuperBad movie, which just sickened me. I don’t ever want to be anything like that, just as I don’t ever want to be anything like the current Spider-Man after the retcon with MJ. I’m growing up to be a strong, mature, and independent adult, and if I have kids, especially girls, I’m going to teach them the same thing.
After all, I am NOT a little boy. I may still like stuff like comics and cartoons, but that doesn’t mean that, at the age of 29, I shirk my duties and expect others to pick up for me.