Comments on: A question for the audience. http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Sat, 18 May 2013 08:20:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Luke H. http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-361385 Luke H. Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:44:32 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-361385 There's just TOO MUCH stuff to buy -- both superhero and non. I can't keep up and decided not to even start with B&TB, in addition, because it sounded like a finite series that'd end once Perez left and Waid got bored. There’s just TOO MUCH stuff to buy — both superhero and non. I can’t keep up and decided not to even start with B&TB, in addition, because it sounded like a finite series that’d end once Perez left and Waid got bored.

]]> By: Meet Dan Coyle http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-361233 Meet Dan Coyle Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:34:23 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-361233 I love B and the B, but why is disliking it such a crime? I love B and the B, but why is disliking it such a crime?

]]> By: Craig http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-361165 Craig Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:22:37 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-361165 I read the first few issues but gave up on it. I have always LOVED George Perez's artwork (70's Avengers, JLA, Titans, long break, back to Avengers, then Avengers/JLA, etc etc) but I think this was a turning point for me. I picked this up to hoping to recapture a bit of the wonder I had with those old 80's comics, but now I realize I just can't get into them anymore. George Perez's artwork was giving me a headache! Heresy! But it's true ... [ Additional note: When you read those 80's crossover comics again ("Which way do we go now, Blue Beetle?" "I don't know, Aquaman!") you realize their time is maybe gone for good. ] I read the first few issues but gave up on it. I have always LOVED George Perez’s artwork (70′s Avengers, JLA, Titans, long break, back to Avengers, then Avengers/JLA, etc etc) but I think this was a turning point for me.

I picked this up to hoping to recapture a bit of the wonder I had with those old 80′s comics, but now I realize I just can’t get into them anymore. George Perez’s artwork was giving me a headache! Heresy! But it’s true …

[ Additional note: When you read those 80's crossover comics again ("Which way do we go now, Blue Beetle?" "I don't know, Aquaman!") you realize their time is maybe gone for good. ]

]]> By: gail simone http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-361032 gail simone Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:35:18 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-361032 One of my favorite books from any company right now. Gail One of my favorite books from any company
right now.

Gail

]]> By: Alan Coil http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-360262 Alan Coil Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:40:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-360262 Ryan said: "I actually like super heroes, it’s just that something like 95-99% of todays super hero comics fail to entertain me personally." _____ Maybe you've outgrown superheroes. I never will. That's just the way I am. :) (And I was thinking of posting about how deep that hole is that you are standing in because it has an echo.) Ryan said:

“I actually like super heroes, it’s just that something like 95-99% of todays super hero comics fail to entertain me personally.”
_____

Maybe you’ve outgrown superheroes. I never will. That’s just the way I am. :)

(And I was thinking of posting about how deep that hole is that you are standing in because it has an echo.)

]]> By: Ryan Dunlavey http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-360146 Ryan Dunlavey Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:01:19 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-360146 Reno- Brave and the Bold seemed like a title I would like - Mark Waid writing old-school superhero team-ups outside of DC's mega-continuity mess. I tried the first few issues, even with George Perez on art (who I don't think is a bad artist, just far from my favorite) and I decided I didn't like it so I stopped reading it, end of story. I actually like super heroes, it's just that something like 95-99% of todays super hero comics fail to entertain me personally. My apologies for not being clear. Reno- Brave and the Bold seemed like a title I would like – Mark Waid writing old-school superhero team-ups outside of DC’s mega-continuity mess. I tried the first few issues, even with George Perez on art (who I don’t think is a bad artist, just far from my favorite) and I decided I didn’t like it so I stopped reading it, end of story.
I actually like super heroes, it’s just that something like 95-99% of todays super hero comics fail to entertain me personally. My apologies for not being clear.

]]> By: Ryan Dunlavey http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-360145 Ryan Dunlavey Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:00:26 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-360145 Reno- Brave and the Bold seemed like a title I would like - Mark Waid writing old-school superhero team-ups outside of DC's mega-continuity mess I tried the first few issues, even with George Perez on art (who I don't think is a bad artist, just far from my favorite). After a few issues I decided I didn't like it so I stopped reading it, end of story. And I actually like super heroes, it's just that something like 95-99% of todays super hero comics fail to entertain me personally. My apologies for not being clear. Reno- Brave and the Bold seemed like a title I would like – Mark Waid writing old-school superhero team-ups outside of DC’s mega-continuity mess I tried the first few issues, even with George Perez on art (who I don’t think is a bad artist, just far from my favorite). After a few issues I decided I didn’t like it so I stopped reading it, end of story. And I actually like super heroes, it’s just that something like 95-99% of todays super hero comics fail to entertain me personally. My apologies for not being clear.

]]> By: Dr. Jack http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359995 Dr. Jack Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:00:09 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359995 Borna: The problem is that there aren't a "million crossovers"? I'm not sure what you're getting at. I think a lot of people are burned out to high hell on x-overs (I know I AM!). If anything, the book suffers from too many x-overs. Not x-overs with other books, but x-overs with too many different characters showing up each and every issue. I have this feeling that a lot of readers weren't expecting that when Brave & Bold started its run. Not with an ongoing story that seemingly has no end, at least. Borna: The problem is that there aren’t a “million crossovers”? I’m not sure what you’re getting at. I think a lot of people are burned out to high hell on x-overs (I know I AM!).

If anything, the book suffers from too many x-overs. Not x-overs with other books, but x-overs with too many different characters showing up each and every issue. I have this feeling that a lot of readers weren’t expecting that when Brave & Bold started its run. Not with an ongoing story that seemingly has no end, at least.

]]> By: Randall Kirby http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359848 Randall Kirby Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:02:14 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359848 I Love it, I read it, I buy it. I Love it, I read it, I buy it.

]]> By: Peter Krause http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359771 Peter Krause Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:35:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359771 I'm still laughing at that comment about Ordway being a "step-down" from Perez. I’m still laughing at that comment about Ordway being a “step-down” from Perez.

]]> By: Karl Ruben http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359686 Karl Ruben Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:44:12 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359686 I know just as much about DC continuity and characters as the next Marvel zombie, but I've found B&tB to be a thoroughly enjoyable comicbook. The overarching story arc would be off-putting to my month-to-month reading experience if it wasn't for the fact that Waid and Perez' storytelling is so good. Ed Ward's comment about adjusting your mindset to read is spot on. I know just as much about DC continuity and characters as the next Marvel zombie, but I’ve found B&tB to be a thoroughly enjoyable comicbook. The overarching story arc would be off-putting to my month-to-month reading experience if it wasn’t for the fact that Waid and Perez’ storytelling is so good. Ed Ward’s comment about adjusting your mindset to read is spot on.

]]> By: Reno Dakota http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359604 Reno Dakota Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:33:08 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359604 Ed - You're totally spot-on, especially about people "making adjustments" when reading older work. Thanks for articulating something that I couldn't quite wrap my brain around when I originally posted. Ed – You’re totally spot-on, especially about people “making adjustments” when reading older work. Thanks for articulating something that I couldn’t quite wrap my brain around when I originally posted.

]]> By: Borna http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359557 Borna Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:48:10 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359557 I am really surprised by low sales of this title, because I think it is among the best written and illustrated titles DC is publishing right now. The book is tremendously fun and not just in action but in humor as well, has plots where things actually happen and the art so far has been great to me, and will continue to be so when Scott Kolins takes over. Maybe the problem lies in it not being connected to a million crossovers. I would recommend to book to almost anyone. I am really surprised by low sales of this title, because I think it is among the best written and illustrated titles DC is publishing right now. The book is tremendously fun and not just in action but in humor as well, has plots where things actually happen and the art so far has been great to me, and will continue to be so when Scott Kolins takes over. Maybe the problem lies in it not being connected to a million crossovers. I would recommend to book to almost anyone.

]]> By: Shaun http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359460 Shaun Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:56:19 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359460 To "Fecal Yeti": I haven't seen Anal Surprise show up in the blog section mention, but he frequently comments over on the main page stuff. He was all over the place during the Spider-Man OMD/BND debates... And his choice of screen name was the, um, butt of many jokes. To “Fecal Yeti”: I haven’t seen Anal Surprise show up in the blog section mention, but he frequently comments over on the main page stuff. He was all over the place during the Spider-Man OMD/BND debates… And his choice of screen name was the, um, butt of many jokes.

]]> By: Marc-Oliver Frisch http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359445 Marc-Oliver Frisch Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:37:06 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359445 Matches: "I’d guess the dropping orders have less to do with people dropping it than with retailers having over-estimated the demand for the book to begin with." That certainly seems to have been the case with the first couple of issues here - after all, retailers need a while to figure out how many copies they can sell off the shelf and how many late-comers they'll have to accomodate. At issue #10 of a given run, though, there's been plenty of time to gauge those factors. If sales are still dropping by ten percent at this stage, it means consumers are jumping ship. Matches: “I’d guess the dropping orders have less to do with people dropping it than with retailers having over-estimated the demand for the book to begin with.”

That certainly seems to have been the case with the first couple of issues here – after all, retailers need a while to figure out how many copies they can sell off the shelf and how many late-comers they’ll have to accomodate.

At issue #10 of a given run, though, there’s been plenty of time to gauge those factors. If sales are still dropping by ten percent at this stage, it means consumers are jumping ship.

]]> By: Tuckenie (Vallen C. Tucker) http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-359098 Tuckenie (Vallen C. Tucker) Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:59:29 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-359098 Waid is the man but you can ask Joe Quesada why I'm not buying any comics these days. Waid is the man but you can ask Joe Quesada why I’m not buying any comics these days.

]]> By: Meet Dan Coyle http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358970 Meet Dan Coyle Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:52:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358970 I recently read the first hardcover, loved it, and was ashamed for not supporting it, even if I have not been the biggest Waid fan for a very long time. But this book is pure gold. This is the Mark Waid well all flocked to in 1996 and who was gone by 1998. This is a Mark Waid that's learned to live again. The fact that Perez was yanked off this for yet another round of Geoff Johns stupid wankery make me want to puke. I recently read the first hardcover, loved it, and was ashamed for not supporting it, even if I have not been the biggest Waid fan for a very long time.

But this book is pure gold. This is the Mark Waid well all flocked to in 1996 and who was gone by 1998. This is a Mark Waid that’s learned to live again.

The fact that Perez was yanked off this for yet another round of Geoff Johns stupid wankery make me want to puke.

]]> By: Steve http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358825 Steve Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:01:24 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358825 Where is this "name" creative team you're talking about? When was the last time Waid sold a book above this level based on his name? He was fired from the F.F. the first time for putting up numbers like this after the $.09 issue. The lone exception is 52 where Waid was one of four writers. George Perez is great. If you take away his Avengers and Avengers/JLA, he hasn't sold a book at a high level in twenty years. DC should have let Perez finish the Titans "Games" graphic novel. This is a nostalgia book with no core characters to be nostalgic about. This series had good art and a weak story. Where is this “name” creative team you’re talking about? When was the last time Waid sold a book above this level based on his name? He was fired from the F.F. the first time for putting up numbers like this after the $.09 issue. The lone exception is 52 where Waid was one of four writers.

George Perez is great. If you take away his Avengers and Avengers/JLA, he hasn’t sold a book at a high level in twenty years. DC should have let Perez finish the Titans “Games” graphic novel.

This is a nostalgia book with no core characters to be nostalgic about. This series had good art and a weak story.

]]> By: swintronix http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358760 swintronix Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:45:41 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358760 If it were a series of done-in-ones, or 2-parters, then I'd pick it up once in a while. But the solicits looked boring and the art looked over-inked. If it were a series of done-in-ones, or 2-parters, then I’d pick it up once in a while. But the solicits looked boring and the art looked over-inked.

]]> By: astonished alex http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358751 astonished alex Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:33:00 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358751 Wow. I had assumed that the low readership was just due to low promotion and not enough people giving it a shot, but that doesn't seem to be the case. B&B is easily my favorite comic set in the main DCU. Ordway is a step down from Perez, true, but his artwork expresses a set of values that's sorely lacking in most of the more successful comics. In just about each issue, everything has worked for me: the voicing, the condensed story telling, the narrative devices. The only thing that hasn't worked for me were some of Supergirl's interactions w/ GL and Lobo. If I'd be uncomfortable showing my 9 year old niece a scene w/ Supergirl, then the property hasn't been handled correctly Wow. I had assumed that the low readership was just due to low promotion and not enough people giving it a shot, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

B&B is easily my favorite comic set in the main DCU. Ordway is a step down from Perez, true, but his artwork expresses a set of values that’s sorely lacking in most of the more successful comics.

In just about each issue, everything has worked for me: the voicing, the condensed story telling, the narrative devices. The only thing that hasn’t worked for me were some of Supergirl’s interactions w/ GL and Lobo. If I’d be uncomfortable showing my 9 year old niece a scene w/ Supergirl, then the property hasn’t been handled correctly

]]> By: Rob http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358714 Rob Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:50:24 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358714 Honestly, once Waid left to be an EIC, it just didn't have the same *pop* for me. Honestly, once Waid left to be an EIC, it just didn’t have the same *pop* for me.

]]> By: Ken B. http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358701 Ken B. Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:38:39 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358701 I quit reading at #2, or whenever GL and Supergirl teamed up. I just didn't care after that, especially when it went back to Earth and Batman "just happened to pop by" Blue Beetle or something. And Hal should have totally tapped that. I quit reading at #2, or whenever GL and Supergirl teamed up. I just didn’t care after that, especially when it went back to Earth and Batman “just happened to pop by” Blue Beetle or something.

And Hal should have totally tapped that.

]]> By: Ed Ward http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358644 Ed Ward Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:11:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358644 Reno - The fact that it reads like older, pre-decompression comics is, I'm pretty sure, one of the reasons it's a tough sell to contemporary readers. The storytelling is very much a part of a different era of comics and, I suspect, doesn't 'click' with a lot of people explicitly because of that. I also think that people who may not innately respond to that style of storytelling make adjustments when they are reading older work, because they expect that storytelling style going in, but will not make that adjustment for new books. I know that it definitely takes a lot more effort for me as a reader to find an 'in' to a book by George Perez than it takes me for almost any other contemporary books, and it it's more work for me to stay involved. The adjustment in my headspace feels very similar to the adjustment in headspace I need to make as a film viewer when I'm watching something from the silent-era as opposed to something contemporary. Reno –

The fact that it reads like older, pre-decompression comics is, I’m pretty sure, one of the reasons it’s a tough sell to contemporary readers. The storytelling is very much a part of a different era of comics and, I suspect, doesn’t ‘click’ with a lot of people explicitly because of that.

I also think that people who may not innately respond to that style of storytelling make adjustments when they are reading older work, because they expect that storytelling style going in, but will not make that adjustment for new books.

I know that it definitely takes a lot more effort for me as a reader to find an ‘in’ to a book by George Perez than it takes me for almost any other contemporary books, and it it’s more work for me to stay involved. The adjustment in my headspace feels very similar to the adjustment in headspace I need to make as a film viewer when I’m watching something from the silent-era as opposed to something contemporary.

]]> By: Reno Dakota http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358615 Reno Dakota Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:45:59 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358615 Huh. I still think it's a lot of fun, even though the overarching Megistus story is better in theory than execution. The odd thing is how fans always clamor for more "old-school" superhero books, and then are never satified when that demand is seemingly met. I suspect this is because lots of people throw around terms like "old-school" and "traditional without understanding what they mean. Waid's work here *absolutely* reads like older, pre-decompression comics, and I've been having a total blast with it, despite its faults. Also, Ryan Dunlavey: If you don't like superhero comics, why are you posting in this thread? Or reading Brave & the Bold, for that matter? Seems a little silly. Huh. I still think it’s a lot of fun, even though the overarching Megistus story is better in theory than execution.

The odd thing is how fans always clamor for more “old-school” superhero books, and then are never satified when that demand is seemingly met. I suspect this is because lots of people throw around terms like “old-school” and “traditional without understanding what they mean. Waid’s work here *absolutely* reads like older, pre-decompression comics, and I’ve been having a total blast with it, despite its faults.

Also, Ryan Dunlavey: If you don’t like superhero comics, why are you posting in this thread? Or reading Brave & the Bold, for that matter? Seems a little silly.

]]> By: Fecal Yeti http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358577 Fecal Yeti Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:36:21 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358577 No relation to "Anal Surprise". I don't know who that is. I just started reading the comments section recently. No relation to “Anal Surprise”. I don’t know who that is. I just started reading the comments section recently.

]]> By: rakarich http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358574 rakarich Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:35:14 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358574 I read the first few issues and it didn't do anything for me. So I dropped it. Simple as that. I read the first few issues and it didn’t do anything for me. So I dropped it. Simple as that.

]]> By: Ryan Dunlavey http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358572 Ryan Dunlavey Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:33:22 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358572 Why I don't buy Brave and the Bold: 1 - It's boring. 2 - I don't like George Perez's artwork. 3 - Super heroes. Why I don’t buy Brave and the Bold:
1 – It’s boring.
2 – I don’t like George Perez’s artwork.
3 – Super heroes.

]]> By: Shaun http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358570 Shaun Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:31:08 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358570 #18 - I still want to know if "Fecal Yeti" and "Anal Surprise" (the latter posts on the main 'Rama pages all the time) are at all related. Wait, what am I saying? I don't REALLY want to know the answer to that. #18 – I still want to know if “Fecal Yeti” and “Anal Surprise” (the latter posts on the main ‘Rama pages all the time) are at all related.

Wait, what am I saying? I don’t REALLY want to know the answer to that.

]]> By: Shaun http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358569 Shaun Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:29:46 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358569 Hey bjooks, thanks for the kind words... And you nailed it. All the buildup, traveling to distant worlds, and even the 31st century, just to have the Challs show up at the last minute for the big save? I was done at that point. Hey bjooks, thanks for the kind words… And you nailed it. All the buildup, traveling to distant worlds, and even the 31st century, just to have the Challs show up at the last minute for the big save? I was done at that point.

]]> By: Joe Lawler http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/comment-page-1/#comment-358566 Joe Lawler Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:26:31 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/03/a-question-for-the-audience/#comment-358566 "I guess Scott Kollins is up next" So the artist from Marvel's equivalent and canceled Marvel Team-Up is taking over? “I guess Scott Kollins is up next”

So the artist from Marvel’s equivalent and canceled Marvel Team-Up is taking over?

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