Comments on: Brevoort on swiping. http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/ Newsarama contributors share what’s on their minds. Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:43:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Alan Coil http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-360285 Alan Coil Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:52:23 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-360285 Brevoort said: "There’s more to what a guy like Greg Land brings to his page than his scrap,..." _____ I think he meant 'crap', not scrap. Brevoort said:

“There’s more to what a guy like Greg Land brings to his page than his scrap,…”
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I think he meant ‘crap’, not scrap.

]]> By: greeneclipse http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-360090 greeneclipse Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:53:21 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-360090 But James, isn't the fact that he keeps getting such big projects a sign that Marvel considers him an MVP? hey wou;dn't be giving him such cushy jobs if they felt he wasn't an asset to the company. Which, of course, speaks to how bankrupt these people really are. But James, isn’t the fact that he keeps getting such big projects a sign that Marvel considers him an MVP? hey wou;dn’t be giving him such cushy jobs if they felt he wasn’t an asset to the company.

Which, of course, speaks to how bankrupt these people really are.

]]> By: James http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-359670 James Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:24:56 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-359670 David Uzumeri has an excellent point. Land is placed on books that would probably sell very well regardless of the artist. He did a Phoenix mini-series that "ressurected" Jean Grey (seriously, you think THAT wouldn't sell??), Mark Millar's run on UFF, Jeph Loeb's Ultimate Power (Loeb *is* a very popular writer these days), and now is going to the flagship X-Title, written by two of Marvel's current superstar writers. If he were placed on books who depended EXCLUSIVELY on his art to sell, I bet we'd be hearing a different tune from Marvel. Also, even without the internet the swiping would be very noticeable, as it's very easy to pinpoint the same poses, facial expressions and combinations of the two everywhere on any given book that's been drawn by him, over and over again. I really liked his art on Birds of Prey, because it had so much more personality to it, before he started depending so heavily on tracing por magazines. David Uzumeri has an excellent point. Land is placed on books that would probably sell very well regardless of the artist. He did a Phoenix mini-series that “ressurected” Jean Grey (seriously, you think THAT wouldn’t sell??), Mark Millar’s run on UFF, Jeph Loeb’s Ultimate Power (Loeb *is* a very popular writer these days), and now is going to the flagship X-Title, written by two of Marvel’s current superstar writers. If he were placed on books who depended EXCLUSIVELY on his art to sell, I bet we’d be hearing a different tune from Marvel.

Also, even without the internet the swiping would be very noticeable, as it’s very easy to pinpoint the same poses, facial expressions and combinations of the two everywhere on any given book that’s been drawn by him, over and over again.

I really liked his art on Birds of Prey, because it had so much more personality to it, before he started depending so heavily on tracing por magazines.

]]> By: greeneclipse http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358687 greeneclipse Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:14:21 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358687 And with this blog post, Brevoort destroys every single shred of credibility he may have had. He's nothing more than a paid shill. One more reason why Marvel is creatively bankrupt now. Things were never this bad even in the Speculator Era! And with this blog post, Brevoort destroys every single shred of credibility he may have had. He’s nothing more than a paid shill.

One more reason why Marvel is creatively bankrupt now. Things were never this bad even in the Speculator Era!

]]> By: Joel http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358238 Joel Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:59:13 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358238 I would notice. I would notice.

]]> By: GQ http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358109 GQ Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:51:50 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358109 Moan all you want but as long as people keep buying Land's books, he's going to keep getting work. Moan all you want but as long as people keep buying Land’s books, he’s going to keep getting work.

]]> By: Zeitgeist http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358089 Zeitgeist Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:20:06 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358089 "And why does Marvel always boil the opposition to its more controversial policies to a ‘few internet loudmouths’? Why not just say it? The internet is just a promotional tool to them and they could really care less about what you think. " How many people on various comics forums could you find that dont like Greg Lands art? 50? 100? 500? How many actual copies is one his comics going to sell? atleast 50.000. I wish people would stop taking it so personal when comics professionals tell the truth, only a small majority of people go on to the net and voice their opinions, that doesnt mean they are ignored but you cant base your business on their opinions “And why does Marvel always boil the opposition to its more controversial policies to a ‘few internet loudmouths’?

Why not just say it? The internet is just a promotional tool to them and they could really care less about what you think. ”

How many people on various comics forums could you find that dont like Greg Lands art? 50? 100? 500? How many actual copies is one his comics going to sell? atleast 50.000. I wish people would stop taking it so personal when comics professionals tell the truth, only a small majority of people go on to the net and voice their opinions, that doesnt mean they are ignored but you cant base your business on their opinions

]]> By: Zeitgeist http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358086 Zeitgeist Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:16:34 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358086 "Yeah, apart from the occasional bad face, bad pose, bad proportions, recycled artwork, and completely innapropriate facial expressions, Land’s art looks fucking awesome." If it wasnt for people on the internet activly searching for swipies and pointing them out would you even notice? Bad poses and stupid faces can be found with every artist. Again i dont agree with his work ethics and would rather he do everything himself “Yeah, apart from the occasional bad face, bad pose, bad proportions, recycled artwork, and completely innapropriate facial expressions, Land’s art looks fucking awesome.”

If it wasnt for people on the internet activly searching for swipies and pointing them out would you even notice? Bad poses and stupid faces can be found with every artist. Again i dont agree with his work ethics and would rather he do everything himself

]]> By: Bendrix http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358076 Bendrix Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:00:33 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358076 “If it looks good, then it IS good.” And if it looks like crap, what is it then? “If it looks good, then it IS good.”

And if it looks like crap, what is it then?

]]> By: Dawn http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358046 Dawn Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:39:13 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-358046 I guess he's made it clear that Marvel has no obligation to even acknowledge the ethics in this situation. He's basically covering his eyes and saying, "Sales are great! I see no problem." Over and over again Marvel acts as if it's really run by 12 year olds. I guess he’s made it clear that Marvel has no obligation to even acknowledge the ethics in this situation. He’s basically covering his eyes and saying, “Sales are great! I see no problem.”

Over and over again Marvel acts as if it’s really run by 12 year olds.

]]> By: Fanboy Menace http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357900 Fanboy Menace Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:48:01 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357900 And why does Marvel always boil the opposition to its more controversial policies to a 'few internet loudmouths'? Why not just say it? The internet is just a promotional tool to them and they could really care less about what you think. And why does Marvel always boil the opposition to its more controversial policies to a ‘few internet loudmouths’?

Why not just say it? The internet is just a promotional tool to them and they could really care less about what you think.

]]> By: Fanboy Menace http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357896 Fanboy Menace Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:44:04 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357896 So basically if Marvel could just run a bunch of photographs through Photoshop filters and present it as a comic it would be fine as long as it sells? Sorry, but I'm in the camp where I'd rather see an artist's actual "imperfect" art than see a lot of glorified fumetti and swipes. So basically if Marvel could just run a bunch of photographs through Photoshop filters and present it as a comic it would be fine as long as it sells?

Sorry, but I’m in the camp where I’d rather see an artist’s actual “imperfect” art than see a lot of glorified fumetti and swipes.

]]> By: Abhay http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357673 Abhay Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:50:13 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357673 When did "stealing Travis Charest" drawings become "using scrap"...? When did “stealing Travis Charest” drawings become “using scrap”…?

]]> By: Evan Waters http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357645 Evan Waters Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:23:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357645 Don't forget the inability to have characters look consistent from panel to panel! Don’t forget the inability to have characters look consistent from panel to panel!

]]> By: TiTo na Rua http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357638 TiTo na Rua Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:20:17 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357638 Popular = Good = Britney Spears? Popular = Good = Britney Spears?

]]> By: Rob Webb http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357637 Rob Webb Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:19:11 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357637 wow now that's just sad. wow now that’s just sad.

]]> By: Dave http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357600 Dave Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:47:57 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357600 Yeah, apart from the occasional bad face, bad pose, bad proportions, recycled artwork, and completely innapropriate facial expressions, Land's art looks fucking awesome. OH WAIT Yeah, apart from the occasional bad face, bad pose, bad proportions, recycled artwork, and completely innapropriate facial expressions, Land’s art looks fucking awesome.

OH WAIT

]]> By: Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357574 Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:17:47 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357574 By the way, <a href="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o281/Royd2007/originalartworpolicy200el6.jpg" rel="nofollow">HERE'S THE LETTER</a>. By the way, HERE’S THE LETTER.

]]> By: Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357573 Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:15:51 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357573 If the only rule here is that "popular = good," THEN WHY DID MARVEL EVEN BOTHER TO DRAW UP A LETTER BANNING SWIPING IN THE FIRST PLACE??? If the only rule here is that “popular = good,” THEN WHY DID MARVEL EVEN BOTHER TO DRAW UP A LETTER BANNING SWIPING IN THE FIRST PLACE???

]]> By: Zeitgeist http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357552 Zeitgeist Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:59:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357552 The obvious point you are missing is that his art looks great (apart from the occasional bad face, although it is nowhere near as bad as people like to think), i dont like all the swiping but it is hard to pass up on great art and great writing because of a minor moral issue. Also consider that the vast majority of people who buy his work have no idea about that he doesnt do it all himself The obvious point you are missing is that his art looks great (apart from the occasional bad face, although it is nowhere near as bad as people like to think), i dont like all the swiping but it is hard to pass up on great art and great writing because of a minor moral issue. Also consider that the vast majority of people who buy his work have no idea about that he doesnt do it all himself

]]> By: colin http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357482 colin Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:41:10 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357482 I don't mind the swiping so much. What bothers me is that he seems to swipe from the same things over and over and over. I don’t mind the swiping so much. What bothers me is that he seems to swipe from the same things over and over and over.

]]> By: caleb http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357481 caleb Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:40:38 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357481 Popular = Good. Wait, someone check my math; that doesn't quite look right. Popular = Good.

Wait, someone check my math; that doesn’t quite look right.

]]> By: ejulp http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357473 ejulp Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:30:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357473 But yeah, I agree with David as well. But yeah, I agree with David as well.

]]> By: ejulp http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357472 ejulp Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:28:43 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357472 Brevoort, once again with the cool and calm, mind numbingly obvious answer. Brevoort, once again with the cool and calm, mind numbingly obvious answer.

]]> By: David Uzumeri http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357463 David Uzumeri Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:13:57 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357463 Can we stop blaming "nerdy males" for everything? I mean, either nerdy males are the ones causing a tempest in a teapot over Greg Land swiping, or nerdy males are trying to defend Greg Land, depending on who you talk to. Greg Land sells not only because some people like his work but because he is placed on major books with talented writers that many people like to buy. Blaming this on a "nerdy male readership" is a flip, easy comment to make and counterproductive to any kind of constructive discussion. And I don't even *like* Greg Land. But the problem isn't dudes jerking off to his stuff, it's people who don't want to drop Ed Brubaker's Uncanny X-Men and are willing to overlook his art to get the story, a group of which I am part of. So hey, I'm the "problem", why not yell at me instead of a convenient, cheap straw man? Can we stop blaming “nerdy males” for everything? I mean, either nerdy males are the ones causing a tempest in a teapot over Greg Land swiping, or nerdy males are trying to defend Greg Land, depending on who you talk to. Greg Land sells not only because some people like his work but because he is placed on major books with talented writers that many people like to buy. Blaming this on a “nerdy male readership” is a flip, easy comment to make and counterproductive to any kind of constructive discussion. And I don’t even *like* Greg Land. But the problem isn’t dudes jerking off to his stuff, it’s people who don’t want to drop Ed Brubaker’s Uncanny X-Men and are willing to overlook his art to get the story, a group of which I am part of. So hey, I’m the “problem”, why not yell at me instead of a convenient, cheap straw man?

]]> By: david brothers http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357459 david brothers Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:08:55 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357459 How is that a logical error? I'm hosting the one GIF and I kind of agree with T-voort. I don't like the swipes. I don't like the porn face. However-- plenty of people like it, or don't dislike it, to the point where sales are fine on books that he's on. It makes perfect sense. Marvel is a business, and if you aren't adjusting their bottom line up or down, what reason do they have to care? Talk is cheap. <i>nerdy male readership</i> Can we let this ridiculous self-loathing garbage die, already? How is that a logical error? I’m hosting the one GIF and I kind of agree with T-voort.

I don’t like the swipes. I don’t like the porn face. However– plenty of people like it, or don’t dislike it, to the point where sales are fine on books that he’s on.

It makes perfect sense. Marvel is a business, and if you aren’t adjusting their bottom line up or down, what reason do they have to care? Talk is cheap.

nerdy male readership

Can we let this ridiculous self-loathing garbage die, already?

]]> By: Dean Trippe http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357445 Dean Trippe Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:46:44 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357445 The glaring logical error there is the 'as evidence by the sales.' Greg Land relying on Pornface (and Pornbody) swipes gets good sales from nerdy male readership? GETOUTTAHERE. The glaring logical error there is the ‘as evidence by the sales.’ Greg Land relying on Pornface (and Pornbody) swipes gets good sales from nerdy male readership? GETOUTTAHERE.

]]> By: Shaun http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357419 Shaun Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:58:00 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357419 GO DIEGO, GO DIEGO! :-) GO DIEGO, GO DIEGO! :-)

]]> By: Court http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357407 Court Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:47:42 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357407 I'm so depressed that I get that "swiper no swiping" remark. I’m so depressed that I get that “swiper no swiping” remark.

]]> By: Shaun http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357291 Shaun Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:53:13 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/02/brevoort-on-swiping/#comment-357291 Swiper, NO SWIPING! :-) Swiper, NO SWIPING! :-)

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