Okay, now I feel somewhat cursed. Fresh from the comments section here, Kevin Huxford and Steve Ekstrom debate Marvel’s “lying” and Spider-Man’s retcon. That links to the first post; the debate continues and, well, kind of falls apart here and here:
You don’t play the game better than me…you just play the game. I don’t. What I say on the internet, I completely believe. It isn’t done for shock factor. I don’t try to be the comic book review Howard Stern like you tried when you were with Best Shots. That way, I don’t wind up looking like an idiot when a creator really doesn’t want anything to do with me, because the feeling would likely be mutual.
So…now that you’ve given me your “digging your nose so far up peoples’ asses that you have fecal matter dripping down the back of your throat is the way to success” speech, sir, please feel free to actually try to participate in the debate we were set to discuss here. Unless, of course, you only agreed in order to try to take some reciprocal shots at me, thinking you’d score a win on that.
Yes, it’s debate on a particular subject where that particular subject quickly gets discarded in favor of personal grudge-settling. What have I wrought?
February 5th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Kevin Huxford’s opinions are not worth recording or repeating.
He said that Joe Quesada made promises about the length of time Peter Parker would remain unmasked in the New Joe Friday column. Kevin even said that JoeQ made those promises repeatedly.
This was not true. I went through all the the old NJF articles and never found anything like that. Does that mean that Kevin was lying about what was on Newsarama? No, it just means he made a mistake. He said something that wasn’t true, but it doesn’t take much to see that there was no malicious intent, no lying, just a mistake based on other stuff he had going on in relation to the issue.
However, Kevin is not able to say that about anyone at Marvel. Despite the fact that Kevin himself is a human capable of minor verbal mistakes, he holds Marvel staff to an absolute standard of perfection. If Tom Brevoort says something about the shipping schedule that seems a little off to Kevin, Kevin doesn’t ask why they didn’t warn retailers earlier. He accuses Tom of lying.
Kevin believes whatever he wants to believe regardless of what actually happens. That’s not useful in any conversation. Reposting his stuff is a waste of everyone’s time, he really doesn’t deserve the attention.
February 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Look, Jason…you think my words aren’t worth recording. If that is the case, you should just move on. If you’re going to comment on them, you should actually read them.
I (and several others) asked Brevoort why he didn’t warn retailers earlier. He said because Marvel wanted to get their plan together first. So, having a plan that made the whole situation look better was more important than providing the retailers with the ample time he claimed earlier. The statements don’t mesh.
Their first priority was making it look like they had their shit together, not giving retailers ample opportunity. Marvel didn’t even notify retailers until the day before the issue was supposed to be in stores. DIAMOND “notified” retailers by simply not putting the book on the list of what should be expected to be delivered on to the LCS.
They knew at least a month before the book was supposed to hit shelves that they couldn’t make the date in question. They let the order cutoff date come and go without a hint. They had absolutely no demonstrated concern for giving ample time to retailers to prepare, despite Brevoort’s outright lie to the contrary.
Check the original debate blog (where I stay on topic and, well, Steve doesn’t). I provide links to where it points out the statements that catch Brevoort in inconsistencies over the matter of hours, not days/weeks/months.
February 5th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I really hope you guys voted in the primaries today. If you’re up on internet comment boards using this much energy and vigor to defend your opinion, then you have time to go out and be constructive with your country along with your LCS purchases and completist feelings of betrayal. It’s a comic book character with almost 45 years of backstock. Most of the time all we ever hear is no one writes our characters that well anyway, so why not drop $16.99 on an Essential collection and remember how good things used to be?
P.S. I grew up with 80’s post-married Peter Parker. My first Spider-Man comic was Web of Spider-Man #50. If it moves the character out of the slump of the last 20 years of stories, I’m all for any change. Even magic.
Good debate, just time to move on.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Graeme–you didn’t do anything wrong.
I’ll say this again–I strongly feel that the information that Kevin Huxford (Rest In Peace)was perpetuating was simply unimportant–because it’s a done issue. We can’t go back and make those books “un-late” and Marvel CAN go back and put Spiderman’s mask back on–even with magic.
Again, I’ll say that I felt the urge to make my initial statement I made over here, not because of dislike for Kevin Huxford (because I DO dislike him), but because I felt like he had rambled on long enough and you gave him a new platform to rave on in ad nauseum.
Jason M. Bryant–you’re absolutely right. This debate, in its entirety, was a complete waste of time–I knew from Kevin’s initial remark that he would quickly devolve into his true state as a aging fanboy forum lurker who has nothing better to do with his life if I let him argue with me. In a way, I almost feel guilty for goading his true nature out…almost.
Troy contacted me with an idea to take our petty disagreement and try to make it classy. I was asked to defend my stance–which I made painfully clear (that’s comics are a business and it’s too late to be crying about all this garbage) and Kevin threw the first low-blow, and I just reacted with a little more wit and tact than Huxford is used to handling.
His meltdown on Shotgun, as well as his really ridiculous attack on two comic industry professionals recently, are primary examples of why he shouldn’t be airing his opinions on or around this website. He isn’t a professional–and he is walking proof that some bloggers should have their internet privileges revoked.
Regardless of Kevin’s statements about me in the future–he won’t garner another response from me again–he’s not worth my time.
February 5th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I could not agree with Mike more.
February 5th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Kevin,
Jason Bryant is a hopeless Marvel apologist. Pretty much every Newsarama post he makes is a support or a justification of Marvel’s actions or programs. So really, take whatever he says with a grain of salt.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Can I make a deal with the devil to forget I just read all that shit? Jeez.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:50 am
Greetings, Clover!
You sure can. Insane threads, inane ramblings, marriages, continuity . . . you may forget it all! All I need is $3.99 three times a month, AND YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL!!!!
MWAH-HA-HA!!! WORSHIP ME!!!!!!!!!!!
February 6th, 2008 at 5:46 am
Ah…Steve is protesting how I’m worth so little of his time…while deciding to talk crap about me, again.
Low blows? As if you didn’t try to sneak any in? Please…you admitted above that the only reason you commented on the Blog@ column was due to your dislike of me. I encourage people to go and read all three Shotgun Reviews blogs, rather than simply accept this windbag’s fictional version of events.
What you called digs from me, I call pertinent information to speak to your bias. You’re trying to work Mike Carey to get you a spot writing for Marvel. You told me from the get go that you’ve been trying to work him to get the chance to write or co-write an X-Men related mini-series. Ever since you had your shock-jock review of Incredible Hulk almost cost you a gig doing World War Hulk coverage for Newsarama (because the writer expressed reservations about working with you), you quickly switched up to only being a rah-rah cheerleader so as to increase your chances at gaining more work.
Your dislike of me, Steve? Gee, didn’t seem to exist when you were so busy trying to find someone you could buddy up to on Best Shots to dodge the bullet of being voted off the team countless times.
My treatment of Marvel writers? In supporting a picket line crosser and encouraging viewers to continue to watch a struck show (The Colbert Show is going on without its writers), Marc Guggenheim violated the very principles of holding a strike. He was very confident of his opinion and that I didn’t understand the nuances, so why would he be scared of how the WGA would view it? In fact, he explicitly stated he wasn’t. Dan Slott? What did I do to him? Publicly point out that he’s been e-mailing me to ask for a phone call ever since he had a problem with me sticking up for Graeme and panning his first BND issue? Or are you just throwing that statement out there in hopes that those who don’t know what you’re talking about will assume it must be something truly terrible?
Rest in peace? Because I have chosen not to do further work with Shotgun or Newsarama, you liken it to my being dead? I’d understand if I had been cast out (like you were, having been voted off the Best Shots team). But I just don’t see it.
You dislike me. You, also, seem to dislike facts, so I’m in good company.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Ho-Lee Shit, Khuxy is just as anal and uptight about comics as he is about Trolling.
February 6th, 2008 at 9:02 am
You two girls should get a room. You can cut the sexual tension here with a knife.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:24 am
“You two girls should get a room. You can cut the sexual tension here with a knife. :D”
I don’t think that they’d let Khuxy vlog that.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:29 am
I hope there’s enough room under that rock that Matt and Troy are probably trying to hide under right now. If I were them, I’d be mortified.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Hey, can I have a phone call from Dan Slott?
February 6th, 2008 at 11:09 am
“Hey, can I have a phone call from Dan Slott?”
Good luck. He won’t return my calls. And between that OMD fix and our other deal, he owes me DOUBLE.
February 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I’ll at least agree that there are some things that could involve me that don’t need to be recorded, Fred.
February 6th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Huxford has always been a self-important tool without a shred of rationality. It’s always fun to watch him go off on the subject of, say, filesharing — he’ll bluster and lie, and in one’s mind’s eye, one can see him trembling in rage.
It’s not hard to hold a different opinion than Huxford; most people are, after all, not idiots. But woebetide anyone who makes the foolish error in judgment of trying to debate that opinion with him.
I see his name on a post or comment and I skip to the next one. I see that he’s posted something here. I’m sure that it isn’t worth addressing, either.
February 6th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Bluster? Matter of opinion. Lie? You’re full of shite. You always have to love the people that are so lacking in principles that they can only do or say bold things when they are anonymous. Stand behind your words.