In yesterday’s Journalista, Dirk Deppey offered a stinging critique of Lisa Fortuner’s recent column, as well as the recent campaign to get Stephanie Brown her own Batcave memorial:
Don’t believe the hype. If the Girl Wonder crowd were really concerned with making superhero comics safe for 13-year-old girls, they’d be arguing over far, far more than statues, Playboy, or Stephanie Brown. They’d be arguing that their favorite comics should again be written exclusively for children. They’d demand a return to (and stricter enforcement of) the Comics Code Authority, that a sharper line of demarcation be drawn between kiddie comics and those for the existing fanbase, and that virtually all of Marvel and DC’s main line of product be placed firmly on the children’s side of the line. They’d demand an end to decades of continuity, so as to allow new readers every opportunity to jump onboard. They’d demand more female comics creators and more women in management, and assurances that women have a voice on the board of directors for the CCA. In other words, if “think of the children” really were at the core of this argument, an authentic feminist agenda would be centered around actually thinking of the children, and not their own tastes and inclinations. What adherents of such an agenda wouldn’t waste their time over is anything involving statues, Playboy or Stephanie Brown. They’d have bigger fish to fry.
Heidi MacDonald offers a somewhat similar, though more polite, response:
Seems like a good first step to us, but don’t give up the fight just yet, ladies. We say don’t rest until you get a female superhero book that’s actually suitable for young women to read. Now that would be a real accomplishment.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I don’t think they’re going to stop just yet. Some of those goals - the ones that involved building titles and readership - are good ones.
I’ll be interested to see the reaction to the suggestion of a takeover of the CCA. I can’t see it being viewed as a distraction from actually building stuff worth reading and selling, though.
My opinion only, of course.
February 5th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Someday I will understand the psychology behind people. If you state a reasonable, modest goal as a stepping-stone to progress, you get lambasted for not dealing with Issues B, C, and D at the same time, and clearly you don’t understand the big picture. If you stand up and demand across-the-board change of things, you’re a shrill man-hater who wants to destroy comics as we know them for the sake of a radical agenda, and why can’t you take things one step at a time?
(And this is why I’ve mostly stopped participating in discussions on comics boards. The constant desire to smack people is bad for my blood pressure.)
February 5th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Who is the greater fool, the fool, or the goalpost-moving prick who spends every waking moment telling others whose interests he does not share, will never share, and would not get caught dead dealing with in the real world how irrelevant and stupid they are?
February 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Merlin Missy: All too understandable.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Hi Missy! Glad to see your name here.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
It sounds to me like Mr. Deppey has confused women with children. Fighting horrifically stereotyped female characters and their constant abuse is not simply a matter of making comics kid friendly. Plenty of kid friendly comics are just as problematic.
Regardless, it’s good to acknowledge this step forward, but also to realize it’s just a step. There’s much farther yet to go.
February 7th, 2008 at 8:36 am
It’s such a moronic straw-man argument. Did he really think the “Girl Wonder crowd” would be like, “We win! Goodbye internets, our mission is complete!”
February 7th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Man, Dirk Deppey just does not get it, does he? He hasn’t even read the opening paragraph on girl-wonder, has he? Getting a memorial case is but ONE part of it, not to mention all the sections in it plus the discussion inside the forums about various other issues inside and out of comics.
February 7th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Dean, THANK YOU for saying that. The idea that bringing back 1950s censorship would be the ONLY way to please women pissed me off so hard.
Excuse me, but do women not see R-rated films?
February 8th, 2008 at 11:24 am
“Plenty of kid friendly comics are just as problematic.”
Such as Bone, which is one of the comics he mentions as being kid-friendly. I think it’s a good kid friendly comic too, but I’m also not blind to the fact that it’s yet another case of the Average Joe pining for the Gorgeous Girl Next Door. A trope that I don’t think is healthy for any age group. Unlike the X-Men scene he picked out, which I simply don’t think is appropriate for little kids (but also not as damaging as the sexism they see every day).