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	<title>Comments on: The fans ask and answer: Why did Crossgen fail?</title>
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		<title>By: Gladiator X</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/13/the-fans-ask-and-answer-why-did-crossgen-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-216020</link>
		<dc:creator>Gladiator X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was all about timing IMO.

CrossGen books were entertaining enough BUT the biggest problem they faced was the fact that they came out during one of the most abyssmal times for sales the industry has ever seen.

In a market like we have now, I would bet that they would have done much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was all about timing IMO.</p>
<p>CrossGen books were entertaining enough BUT the biggest problem they faced was the fact that they came out during one of the most abyssmal times for sales the industry has ever seen.</p>
<p>In a market like we have now, I would bet that they would have done much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaolyn and Lucy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/13/the-fans-ask-and-answer-why-did-crossgen-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-215537</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaolyn and Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Crossgen books didn&#039;t so much suck as they were more kind of boringly competent, &quot;merely okay&quot; rather than &quot;insanely great&quot;. A good (if snarky) characteriztion of the CG titles was &quot;The Volvo of Comics&quot;. The CG titles weren&#039;t stupefyingly awful, but I can&#039;t recall a title that wasn&#039;t any more than, at best, a marginally above-average book. They needed lighting-in-a-bottle to capture the imagination of fandom, but the level of craft wasn&#039;t much beyond orange-juice, and so they never caught on.

(I think the &quot;influnce&quot; of the old Ellis Forum in CG&#039;s downfall is overrated -- a lot of the WEF hive-mind actually bought many CG titles, to poor pathetic Ellis&#039; chagrin)

Alessi would have had a greater impact in comics if he had concentrated on improving the woeful distribution system and the general lack of business competency in much of the comics &quot;industry&quot; at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Crossgen books didn&#8217;t so much suck as they were more kind of boringly competent, &#8220;merely okay&#8221; rather than &#8220;insanely great&#8221;. A good (if snarky) characteriztion of the CG titles was &#8220;The Volvo of Comics&#8221;. The CG titles weren&#8217;t stupefyingly awful, but I can&#8217;t recall a title that wasn&#8217;t any more than, at best, a marginally above-average book. They needed lighting-in-a-bottle to capture the imagination of fandom, but the level of craft wasn&#8217;t much beyond orange-juice, and so they never caught on.</p>
<p>(I think the &#8220;influnce&#8221; of the old Ellis Forum in CG&#8217;s downfall is overrated &#8212; a lot of the WEF hive-mind actually bought many CG titles, to poor pathetic Ellis&#8217; chagrin)</p>
<p>Alessi would have had a greater impact in comics if he had concentrated on improving the woeful distribution system and the general lack of business competency in much of the comics &#8220;industry&#8221; at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: ViperOneTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ViperOneTwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Failed for one reason and one reason only. 80% of comics fans read for superheroes. Admit it. And those that dont make up such a small number of our group. Take a look at the main page at newsarama. Countdown, World War Hulk, Captain Marvel, Captaint America, Sinestro Corps Wars. Sure you have zaducomics and a few other mentions, but mainly capes and tights.

The entire line had no capes, no tights. They should have started wiht some superhero yarns to draw in the crowd and get a niche in the market before going all Ruse and Branth and piratey on us.

Negation ROCKED. Make it a TV series on Sci-Fi!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failed for one reason and one reason only. 80% of comics fans read for superheroes. Admit it. And those that dont make up such a small number of our group. Take a look at the main page at newsarama. Countdown, World War Hulk, Captain Marvel, Captaint America, Sinestro Corps Wars. Sure you have zaducomics and a few other mentions, but mainly capes and tights.</p>
<p>The entire line had no capes, no tights. They should have started wiht some superhero yarns to draw in the crowd and get a niche in the market before going all Ruse and Branth and piratey on us.</p>
<p>Negation ROCKED. Make it a TV series on Sci-Fi!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 04:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their books were almost always on time in the first year or two, if not actually always on time. It was later, when they started having cash flow problems that they started having a lot of late books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their books were almost always on time in the first year or two, if not actually always on time. It was later, when they started having cash flow problems that they started having a lot of late books.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Strode</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory Strode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The books failed because they were unable to sell well in the direct market, and were unable to penetrate the book market.  When they sent their &quot;book dumps&quot; (big cardboard displays filled with their trades) to major book stores, they weren&#039;t even put out onto the sales floor because the large book publishers come first, and PAY for that floor space.  

They didn&#039;t appeal to comic shop fans because they had no super-heroes, and when they&#039;d sign big talent (like George Perez) it took FOREVER for their books to come out, if at all.

It was a good experiment, and with better business people at the top, I think they could have succeeded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The books failed because they were unable to sell well in the direct market, and were unable to penetrate the book market.  When they sent their &#8220;book dumps&#8221; (big cardboard displays filled with their trades) to major book stores, they weren&#8217;t even put out onto the sales floor because the large book publishers come first, and PAY for that floor space.  </p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t appeal to comic shop fans because they had no super-heroes, and when they&#8217;d sign big talent (like George Perez) it took FOREVER for their books to come out, if at all.</p>
<p>It was a good experiment, and with better business people at the top, I think they could have succeeded.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle in Real Life</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/13/the-fans-ask-and-answer-why-did-crossgen-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-215250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle in Real Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the first trades of &lt;I&gt;Mystic&lt;/I&gt;, &lt;I&gt;Sojourn&lt;/I&gt;, and &lt;I&gt;The Path&lt;/I&gt;- &lt;I&gt;Mystic&lt;/I&gt; and &lt;I&gt;The Path&lt;/I&gt; in particular were so paint by numbers as to be embarassing. There was nothing about them that wasn&#039;t already seen before, and told in the most obvious, rote way possible. 

I read some of &lt;I&gt;Ruse&lt;/I&gt; but was unimpressed as Waid didn&#039;t really write a detective book but yet another title about how Men Keeping Secrets= Okay, Women Keeping Secrets= Disasater, a common ailment of his work that he only recently shook off. 

&lt;I&gt;Negation&lt;/I&gt; is one book I&#039;d like to try a little more of- I thought the first few issues were pretty rank but the issue of &lt;I&gt;CrossGen Chronicles&lt;/I&gt; Bedard did with Rudy Nebres about Obregon Kaine was excellent, probably the best CG comic I read. And good Tony Bedard comics are a rarity in this business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the first trades of <i>Mystic</i>, <i>Sojourn</i>, and <i>The Path</i>- <i>Mystic</i> and <i>The Path</i> in particular were so paint by numbers as to be embarassing. There was nothing about them that wasn&#8217;t already seen before, and told in the most obvious, rote way possible. </p>
<p>I read some of <i>Ruse</i> but was unimpressed as Waid didn&#8217;t really write a detective book but yet another title about how Men Keeping Secrets= Okay, Women Keeping Secrets= Disasater, a common ailment of his work that he only recently shook off. </p>
<p><i>Negation</i> is one book I&#8217;d like to try a little more of- I thought the first few issues were pretty rank but the issue of <i>CrossGen Chronicles</i> Bedard did with Rudy Nebres about Obregon Kaine was excellent, probably the best CG comic I read. And good Tony Bedard comics are a rarity in this business.</p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/13/the-fans-ask-and-answer-why-did-crossgen-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-215240</link>
		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Abadazad. I forgot about that. The best book they ever published. I&#039;m still upset that I don&#039;t get to read the rest of that story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Abadazad. I forgot about that. The best book they ever published. I&#8217;m still upset that I don&#8217;t get to read the rest of that story.</p>
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		<title>By: sluggo</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/13/the-fans-ask-and-answer-why-did-crossgen-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-215239</link>
		<dc:creator>sluggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But mainly the books failed because they sucked.&quot; 

Gotta take issue with this. Ruse, El Cazador, Way of the Rat, Negation - these books most decidedly did not suck. All were excellent representations of much under-exploited genres in the comics world, with great writing and art. I think they just came along at a time when the company was already on its downhill slide and people had already made up their mind about the shared universe thing. 

Did you read any of these books? If not, which ones did you read?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But mainly the books failed because they sucked.&#8221; </p>
<p>Gotta take issue with this. Ruse, El Cazador, Way of the Rat, Negation &#8211; these books most decidedly did not suck. All were excellent representations of much under-exploited genres in the comics world, with great writing and art. I think they just came along at a time when the company was already on its downhill slide and people had already made up their mind about the shared universe thing. </p>
<p>Did you read any of these books? If not, which ones did you read?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle in Real Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle in Real Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Marz is the least imaginative writer in the business. FACT. I&#039;ve read enough of his stuff, CrossGen, Silver Surfer, Green Lantern, etc. to be of the opinion that he is less a writer than a computer program spouting out cliches to form a story and get a check. I know there are people who are big fans of him, people whose opinions I respect, but I can&#039;t stand him. 

And he was their first creative hire. Do the math. 

Nearly everything that came out of CG was tired, creaky reworkings of LOTR or Samurai movies or Conan or fantasy flicks. Written by low tier superhero writers.

Plus, it was debuting at the height of Warren Ellis&#039; influence, and he cockpunched the company (deservedly, given how they treated creative in the end) instead of encouraging his flock (like me) to try the non-cape genres For The Greater Good of The Republic. 

But mainly the books failed because they sucked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Marz is the least imaginative writer in the business. FACT. I&#8217;ve read enough of his stuff, CrossGen, Silver Surfer, Green Lantern, etc. to be of the opinion that he is less a writer than a computer program spouting out cliches to form a story and get a check. I know there are people who are big fans of him, people whose opinions I respect, but I can&#8217;t stand him. </p>
<p>And he was their first creative hire. Do the math. </p>
<p>Nearly everything that came out of CG was tired, creaky reworkings of LOTR or Samurai movies or Conan or fantasy flicks. Written by low tier superhero writers.</p>
<p>Plus, it was debuting at the height of Warren Ellis&#8217; influence, and he cockpunched the company (deservedly, given how they treated creative in the end) instead of encouraging his flock (like me) to try the non-cape genres For The Greater Good of The Republic. </p>
<p>But mainly the books failed because they sucked.</p>
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