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		<title>By: Shad Bickerton</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-488226</link>
		<dc:creator>Shad Bickerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to see someone else who likes Sonny with a chance as much as I do, Nico is my favorite character on the show. Thanks for this post, I enjoyed reading it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see someone else who likes Sonny with a chance as much as I do, Nico is my favorite character on the show. Thanks for this post, I enjoyed reading it!</p>
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		<title>By: edc</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214774</link>
		<dc:creator>edc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. gee its not like comic characters COME back.
tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. gee its not like comic characters COME back.<br />
tired.</p>
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		<title>By: edc</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214772</link>
		<dc:creator>edc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. gee its not like comic characters comic back, especially ones with lazarus juice.
2. dc has now gone from dcu and elseworlds to dcu, dcu2 dcu x, dc9, dc kingdom, dc tangent, dc manga, dc old, dc gay, dc robot, dc moustach.. and so on. if he dies in the comic, then its an &#039;imaginary story&#039; - which is what batman is anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. gee its not like comic characters comic back, especially ones with lazarus juice.<br />
2. dc has now gone from dcu and elseworlds to dcu, dcu2 dcu x, dc9, dc kingdom, dc tangent, dc manga, dc old, dc gay, dc robot, dc moustach.. and so on. if he dies in the comic, then its an &#8216;imaginary story&#8217; &#8211; which is what batman is anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214513</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I want to know who&#039;s selling Josh Hill his crack, because I want a hit of that stuff. The Death of Superman was a tremendous success on every level--financially, publicly, and creatively. It got people reading the books and talking about the character again. I don&#039;t know how he views failure, but that ain&#039;t it.

Death in comics is ephemeral. The idea that DC would commit to murking their top-level franchise property for more than a few months or years is ludicrous. Batman, even more than Superman now, is a money-printing machine for DC. Messing with that property as anything more than a way to drum up sales short-term (as was done with &quot;Knightfall&quot;) doesn&#039;t work. 

It sounds like Morrison has realized that his run on &quot;Batman&quot; just isn&#039;t gelling with the fans and the general public. The stories are too disjointed and strange, recalling an era of Bats&#039; history that is really only of interest to older fans. The &quot;hairy-chested love God&quot; Neal Adams Batman just doesn&#039;t penetrate the public consciousness better than the Dark Knight model. When people think of Batman now, they invoke Christian Bale (whose portrayal was influenced by Miller&#039;s best work), not &quot;The Batmen of Many Nations.&quot; Couple that with the atrocious delays on the artwork, and the series has just lost momentum. 

I think RobC is on the money--any death of Bruce Wayne and assumption of the mantle by Dick (or whomever) will be a plotline resolved in Final Crisis, leading to a universe-wide reboot and retooling of Batman back to his essence. Until it plays out, I recommend treating this as the unsubstantiated rumor it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I want to know who&#8217;s selling Josh Hill his crack, because I want a hit of that stuff. The Death of Superman was a tremendous success on every level&#8211;financially, publicly, and creatively. It got people reading the books and talking about the character again. I don&#8217;t know how he views failure, but that ain&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>Death in comics is ephemeral. The idea that DC would commit to murking their top-level franchise property for more than a few months or years is ludicrous. Batman, even more than Superman now, is a money-printing machine for DC. Messing with that property as anything more than a way to drum up sales short-term (as was done with &#8220;Knightfall&#8221;) doesn&#8217;t work. </p>
<p>It sounds like Morrison has realized that his run on &#8220;Batman&#8221; just isn&#8217;t gelling with the fans and the general public. The stories are too disjointed and strange, recalling an era of Bats&#8217; history that is really only of interest to older fans. The &#8220;hairy-chested love God&#8221; Neal Adams Batman just doesn&#8217;t penetrate the public consciousness better than the Dark Knight model. When people think of Batman now, they invoke Christian Bale (whose portrayal was influenced by Miller&#8217;s best work), not &#8220;The Batmen of Many Nations.&#8221; Couple that with the atrocious delays on the artwork, and the series has just lost momentum. </p>
<p>I think RobC is on the money&#8211;any death of Bruce Wayne and assumption of the mantle by Dick (or whomever) will be a plotline resolved in Final Crisis, leading to a universe-wide reboot and retooling of Batman back to his essence. Until it plays out, I recommend treating this as the unsubstantiated rumor it is.</p>
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		<title>By: juanpablo</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214484</link>
		<dc:creator>juanpablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this would be foolish, as well as tacky, for two reasons:

1) As somebody above points out, Knightfall happened fairly recently.  As others have pointed out, Marvel just killed Cap and will (in all likelihood) replace Steve Rogers with Bucky, at least for the time being. The idea is just kind of played out for DC to be doing this.

2) Batman hasn&#039;t last 60+ years by being a bad character concept.  It&#039;s the force and simplicity of the character that makes it so durable and open to reinterpretation.  Son of millionaire witnesses parents deaths, becomes costumed vigilante to combat and terrify criminals.  It&#039;s a straightforward and powerful concept.  If Batman is just a teen superhero grown p to replace his mentor, what makes him any different from the flash beyond his costume and powers?  A short term burst of sales seems like a bad trade for the loss of such a durable and profitable character.

That being said, I think that RobC, above, is exactly right, and that Final Crisis (ugh) will undo all of this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this would be foolish, as well as tacky, for two reasons:</p>
<p>1) As somebody above points out, Knightfall happened fairly recently.  As others have pointed out, Marvel just killed Cap and will (in all likelihood) replace Steve Rogers with Bucky, at least for the time being. The idea is just kind of played out for DC to be doing this.</p>
<p>2) Batman hasn&#8217;t last 60+ years by being a bad character concept.  It&#8217;s the force and simplicity of the character that makes it so durable and open to reinterpretation.  Son of millionaire witnesses parents deaths, becomes costumed vigilante to combat and terrify criminals.  It&#8217;s a straightforward and powerful concept.  If Batman is just a teen superhero grown p to replace his mentor, what makes him any different from the flash beyond his costume and powers?  A short term burst of sales seems like a bad trade for the loss of such a durable and profitable character.</p>
<p>That being said, I think that RobC, above, is exactly right, and that Final Crisis (ugh) will undo all of this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214457</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt Busiek is writing Flaming Carrot?</description>
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		<title>By: RobC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killing off Bruce Wayne, Pa Kent, and the New Gods are all lead-ups to Final Crisis (also penned by Batman scribe Grant Morrison). This change won&#039;t be permanant and it gives post-Infinite Crisis Dick Grayson a reason for surviving. After the Final Crisis reboot, Bruce will return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killing off Bruce Wayne, Pa Kent, and the New Gods are all lead-ups to Final Crisis (also penned by Batman scribe Grant Morrison). This change won&#8217;t be permanant and it gives post-Infinite Crisis Dick Grayson a reason for surviving. After the Final Crisis reboot, Bruce will return.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason "CodeGuy" Bryant</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason "CodeGuy" Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they did one of those plotlines where Batman was faking his own death and the audience knew it from the start. The Knightfall story was recent enough that I can&#039;t see them making a big deal out of replacing Batman again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they did one of those plotlines where Batman was faking his own death and the audience knew it from the start. The Knightfall story was recent enough that I can&#8217;t see them making a big deal out of replacing Batman again.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killing off Bruce Wayne right before the new movie comes out seems pretty stupid. But given DC&#039;s predilection for killing off characters as of late it&#039;s not too far fetched. IMO I don&#039;t like like it one bit and  if it&#039;s true I&#039;ll vote with my wallet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killing off Bruce Wayne right before the new movie comes out seems pretty stupid. But given DC&#8217;s predilection for killing off characters as of late it&#8217;s not too far fetched. IMO I don&#8217;t like like it one bit and  if it&#8217;s true I&#8217;ll vote with my wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuckenie (Vallen C. Tucker)</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214323</link>
		<dc:creator>Tuckenie (Vallen C. Tucker)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just waiting for DC to come up with a new trick.  Let&#039;s see, Marvel kills two characters during its latest big event and sales have been consistently high.  DC kills off characters like they&#039;re on an assembly line and sales are dropping...  

If this is fake the really sad thing is that DC has created a rep where we believe they&#039;re this stupid.  Captain America&#039;s death was organic to the story in the book that had been developed for two years before the issue came out.  No way this is as well planned.  Plus Dick Grayson is cooler as Nightwing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just waiting for DC to come up with a new trick.  Let&#8217;s see, Marvel kills two characters during its latest big event and sales have been consistently high.  DC kills off characters like they&#8217;re on an assembly line and sales are dropping&#8230;  </p>
<p>If this is fake the really sad thing is that DC has created a rep where we believe they&#8217;re this stupid.  Captain America&#8217;s death was organic to the story in the book that had been developed for two years before the issue came out.  No way this is as well planned.  Plus Dick Grayson is cooler as Nightwing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214322</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Rogers is dead yet we have a mini-series currently going on starring... Steve Rogers.

DC went to all of this trouble to make multiple earths, just kill off the New Earth Bruce and let Earth 38 have a Bruce Wayne Batman book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Rogers is dead yet we have a mini-series currently going on starring&#8230; Steve Rogers.</p>
<p>DC went to all of this trouble to make multiple earths, just kill off the New Earth Bruce and let Earth 38 have a Bruce Wayne Batman book.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ekstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Ekstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only hope that DC has the guts to kill Batman.  I think this generation of writers and talent in the industry is finally figuring out that there isn&#039;t an a necessity to protect our childhoods any longer.

If &quot;superheroes&quot; are going to survive--change has to take place.  I think Dick Grayson should be a wary Batman--he may not like it and that&#039;s where the story becomes compelling again.

Kill away DC, kill away--I&#039;m down with this 100%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only hope that DC has the guts to kill Batman.  I think this generation of writers and talent in the industry is finally figuring out that there isn&#8217;t an a necessity to protect our childhoods any longer.</p>
<p>If &#8220;superheroes&#8221; are going to survive&#8211;change has to take place.  I think Dick Grayson should be a wary Batman&#8211;he may not like it and that&#8217;s where the story becomes compelling again.</p>
<p>Kill away DC, kill away&#8211;I&#8217;m down with this 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Coyle In Real Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Coyle In Real Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think DC purposefully started this rumor to flush out Rich&#039;s sources inside DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think DC purposefully started this rumor to flush out Rich&#8217;s sources inside DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214255</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest killing off Bruce Wayne so Batman could be active full-time.

The only thing that Bruce Wayne is good for is to attend or throw some party that will be robbed by some villain, or for Wayne-Corp to have some invention or business division attacked by some criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest killing off Bruce Wayne so Batman could be active full-time.</p>
<p>The only thing that Bruce Wayne is good for is to attend or throw some party that will be robbed by some villain, or for Wayne-Corp to have some invention or business division attacked by some criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Kwaku</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214237</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems oddly familiar.....say, wasn&#039;t Catwoman&#039;s baby supposed to die?

Mama always said don&#039;t believe everything you read on the internet. Especially when it&#039;s in a column called LYING in the gutters. I&#039;m still waiting for DC to announce that Buseik is writing FC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems oddly familiar&#8230;..say, wasn&#8217;t Catwoman&#8217;s baby supposed to die?</p>
<p>Mama always said don&#8217;t believe everything you read on the internet. Especially when it&#8217;s in a column called LYING in the gutters. I&#8217;m still waiting for DC to announce that Buseik is writing FC.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott William Foley</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214236</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott William Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Killing off a character with a Lazarus Pit as a recurring plot device is on par with killing a time traveler.

I trust Morrison to give us a captivating story.  I only ask the story remain at the forefront of DC&#039;s mind and not the &quot;shock&quot; aspect of which the media will be interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Killing off a character with a Lazarus Pit as a recurring plot device is on par with killing a time traveler.</p>
<p>I trust Morrison to give us a captivating story.  I only ask the story remain at the forefront of DC&#8217;s mind and not the &#8220;shock&#8221; aspect of which the media will be interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Plante</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/11/10/variations-on-a-theme-14/comment-page-1/#comment-214231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Plante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sales are going to be huge.  They should kill Batman every year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sales are going to be huge.  They should kill Batman every year.</p>
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		<title>By: dr. borracho</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr. borracho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great way to promote The Dark Knight, by killing off Bruce Wayne! I think DC is aping Marvel&#039;s killing off Steve Rogers here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great way to promote The Dark Knight, by killing off Bruce Wayne! I think DC is aping Marvel&#8217;s killing off Steve Rogers here.</p>
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