John Byrne thinks about his potential career best, back when he was the guy in charge of the Fantastic Four:
I don’t think my run on FF is nearly as good as many say it was. Yes, it was good. And compared to much of what was coming out alongside it, it wa very good. But I have trouble with the notion that it was “second only to Lee and Kirby” mostly because I don’t think anything can approach their run closely enough to be considered “second”. It’s as if we need some kind of imaginary stopgap between the Lee/Kirby FF (and, indeed, the Lee/Ditko Spider-Man) and everything else… What’s “wrong” with the post-Lee/Kirby runs — and this includes Lee/Romita and Lee/Buscema — is that they are none of them nearly as iconic as the original. They are, in many ways, too self-aware, too burdened with the weight of what has gone before.
Think about it. In the span of just 50 issues, Lee and Kirby gave us Doctor Doom, the Sub-Mariner, the Skrulls, the Firghtful Four, the Inhumans, Galactus, the Silver Surfer, the Black Panther, the Watcher — basical a foundation which would be mined (most successfully by themselves) for the next forty years.
What, of equivalent significance, comes out of the post-Lee/Kirby years?
Yes, that’s right; humility and common sense from John Byrne! The world as you know it? All wrong.
October 23rd, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Outside of the Simonson, Waid, and Byrne runs, can anyone think of a post-Lee and Kirby FF that was remotely interesting or readable, though?
If you say DeFalco/Ryan, God kills a kitten.
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:22 pm
“If you say DeFalco/Ryan, God kills a kitten.”
YOU JUST CAUSED GOD TO KILL A KITTEN
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:36 pm
KNOCK IT OFF PEOPLE. This really depresses me!
October 23rd, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Does Karl Kesel’s motley assortment of annuals, specials, and fill-ins count as a run?
October 23rd, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Honestly, couldn’t something post Lee/Kirby theoretically be stronger because it would have a stronger/base to build off of?
Isn’t that what serialized comics are all about. Taking what has come before and writing the best stories possible.
You might not end up with a new villain every issue but you should have a whole lot more development of what’s already there.
October 23rd, 2007 at 5:41 pm
I read a DeFalco/Frenz/Sinott issue of THOR that was absolutely off the hook (and totally Lee-Kirbified). Made me want to check out more of that run.
As for FF, I really loved Ult FF, the Bendis-Millar run, Ellis’ run, and Millar’s return.
October 23rd, 2007 at 5:58 pm
I’m not very familiar with the history of the FF, but the Waid/Ringo run was pretty Fantastic.
October 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Everything I know is a lie. ::runs off a cliff::
October 24th, 2007 at 1:00 am
Claremont’s tenure was flawed, but pretty readable, and it definitely had its moments.