This week we wrap up the summer-long resurrection of one of our favorite features, I ♥ Comics, where comics bloggers, creators and fans discuss the things they love about the medium.
This week, our guest contributor is Joe Casey, who has written comics like Godland, Automatic Kafka, Rock Bottom, The Milkman Murders and Full Moon Fever, in addition to just about every major character for Marvel, and many of DC’s as well.
They say honesty is the best policy, so I’ll just come right out with it: It might not be an easy thing to explain, this love I have for superhero team books. But I definitely have it. And I know I’m not the only one who feels this way. In any given month, usually more than half of the top ten best sellers in the Direct Market are team books. The fact is, team books have always been popular since the very beginning. The book that ushered in the Marvel Universe was a team book. The DC book that inspired that book was a team book. Just about all of the greatest success stories at both major publishers have been team books.
Now, there’s got to be a reason for this… some basic commonality that superhero team books — and their fans — share that can somehow illuminate their appeal in some sort of academic sense. Actually, there probably is, but for the most part I don’t think about that stuff. Sometimes love truly is beyond all rationalization. Like I said, that odds are that I really won’t be able to explain it with any great degree of clarity. But, what the hell, I’m going to give it a try…
George Perez (the Godfather of team book artists) once said he loved drawing team books because the day-to-day life of a working, comicbook professional can be a lonely one, and that the multi-character vibe that drawing a team book provides gave him at least the impression of an active social life. There’s something to that, even for the readers. The surrogate family aspect of team books. Sure, I buy it.
A brief, semi-related aside: there’s a pretty spot-on theory that all superhero books are, in their own way, team books. A series like AMAZING SPIDER-MAN isn’t just about Spider-Man. It’s about Aunt May and Mary Jane and J. Jonah Jameson and Black Cat and… well, you get the picture. BATMAN isn’t just about Batman. It’s also about Alfred, Robin, Commissioner Gordon, Catwoman, etc. The best thing about superhero team books is that every cast member is generally a superhero. You don’t have to deal with all those pesky “civilian” characters getting in the way.
For me, I love the chemistry that happens when you put together the right group of characters on the page. At first, it’s a visual chemistry… the Vision just looks right next to Cap and Iron Man and Hawkeye. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman simply look like they belong together. Okay, so you might not know it when you see it… but I’ll bet you know it when it’s not there. The Beast and Wonder Man? They just sort of fit together. Iceman and Ghost Rider? Not so much. I love the surprise when someone new enters the picture and suddenly feels right at home. Another AVENGERS-related example: When Ms. Marvel guest appeared in the book during the Korvac Saga, she was sporting her Starlin-inspired first costume. For whatever reason, it just didn’t look good next to the other Avengers. She looked like an outsider. When she finally joined the team in issue #183, she was wearing the now-classic blue-with-the-thigh-highs costume and, lo and behold, she suddenly fit. The visual chemistry worked. I know, I know… it’s not the Theory of Relativity, but would you disagree?
(and, just to get my academic geek on a little more… how come ever since she was taken out of that costume — not long after she left the Avengers — she dropped back down to a C- or even D-level character? Now that she’s finally back in it… she’s got her own monthly book and she’s back in the Avengers. Visual chemistry. Thank you and don’t forget to tip your waitress. But back to loving team books…)
On a purely character level, I love seeing them interact with each other. It’s sort of a look behind the curtain… workplace drama of the kind I’ve always responded to. An Avengers meeting is as exciting to me as a knock down, drag out with the Masters of Evil. The JLA formulating their battle plan is often as nail biting as the actual execution of that plan. It’s the writer’s curiosity in me… what do these guys actually talk about when they’re not out in public, when they’re holed up in their Tower or on their Satellite?
Do I have favorites, you ask? You bet I do.
Now, the examples I site below will, more often than not, name check the primary writers involved in those series. At times, it may seem slightly unbalanced in the credit department. But listen, if I got into listing the multitude of artists that contributed to some of these long runs, we’d be here all day. And it’s certainly no secret that some of these favorite series of mine became favorite series of mine because they were drawn so well. But those artists grab plenty of well-deserved glory and, for the purposes of this piece, I’ve chosen to stand with my fraternity. And you can always gaze lovingly at the accompanying art to see just how great they looked…
AVENGERS #36-#202 (written by Roy Thomas, Steve Englehart, Jim Shooter, David Michelinie and others) – The gold standard. For me, anyway. I can’t think of another modern, ongoing series that had as long a sustained run of quality. Okay, I’m biased… anyone who knows either me or my work probably knows I’m the world’s biggest AVENGERS fan. This run of 160+ issues is the reason why. There’s quite a bit of procedural writing in this book: How the team is run, how the various rosters are put together, who sits in the chairman seat, how they interact with various governmental organizations, etc. I don’t know… I just find that stuff fascinating. It’s the kind of thing that illuminates characters beyond their reactions in the heat of battle. Plus, there’s an emotional quotient to the best Avengers’ tales… personal character connections were usually at the heart of the stories we all think of now as “classic”. Hank Pym begat Ultron who begat the Vision who married the Scarlet Witch who is the sister of Quicksilver, both of them being Magneto’s children, etc. Even on top of all that, AVENGERS became the prototypical team book that, in a purely dramatic sense, most others would emulate for the next few decades. Englehart, in particular, actually created the template for the modern team book during his run: start small, build events to an ultimate, dramatic crescendo… then bring it back down to Earth (so to speak) and start small all over again. The next volume of ESSENTIAL AVENGERS (vol. 6, for those of you out there counting) is going to be a barnburner, and there’s probably no book I could recommend more highly.
DEFENDERS #1-124 (written by Steve Englehart, Len Wein, Steve Gerber, Dave Kraft, J.M. DeMatteis and others) – Okay, I’ll admit… I was never 100% down with the whole “non-team” gimmick, but whatever. I know a marketing gimmick when I see one. But thanks to the writers listed above, that gimmick was used, in my opinion, primarily as an excuse to take the modern Marvel team book — the AVENGERS template — into places it wouldn’t normally go. I loved how Englehart wasted no time in breaking the original paradigm of the team by adding Valkyrie (a genius left-field choice) and then demonstrating how different the Defenders really were by actually pitting them against the Avengers (no better way to distinguish your identity than to go toe-to-toe with your biggest competitor). Len Wein deserves a medal for bringing Nighthawk into the cast (a character who very shortly became, for my money, the one indispensable Defender). Soon after, Gerber rolled in with his Headmen/Badoon/Sons of the Serpent/Elf strangeness. Then came Dave Kraft with what I consider the high water mark for the series, “Who Remembers Scorpio?” Talk about a story that no other Marvel team book would dare to tell…! And finally, J.M. DeMatteis took the Defenders by the balls and proved exactly how much story potential could be found in this quirky little team book. Y’know, someone really needs to bring back the Defenders, don’t they? It’s just time. Now, I’d imagine the book would need to evolve out of its 70’s nostalgia, but it could definitely be done. Maybe someday…
NEW TEEN TITANS #1-44 + ANNUALS 1-3 (by Marv Wolfman and George Perez) – It took one book to save DC Comics in the still-burgeoning Direct Market in 1980. Of course, it was a team book. This team book. First of all, it sported an absolutely kick ass logo, courtesy of Todd Klein. Puts the one on the current series to shame (and, come to think of it, this might’ve been the first time the word “NEW” was placed in front of an old title to give it a little kick… and now everyone’s doing it). It’s also a fantastic template for a team book makeover. Take iconic sidekick characters (Robin, Kid Flash, Wonder Girl) and put them together with great new characters (Cyborg, Starfire, Raven) and, just for kicks, revamp a nearly forgotten character, rename him and give him a winning personality (Changeling). It was pretty much a perfect equation. Do those comics hold up today? Hmmm… tough call on that one. I own all the trades and Archive editions that have been released in the past few years, but I haven’t been moved to sit down and read them with a 21st Century eye. Maybe it’s the concept, the construction and the general feeling of those comics that I still have so much reverence for. But, y’know, that’s enough. Maybe they don’t have to hold up. But, I’ll tell ya’, when I was eleven years old, the Perez-drawn cover to issue #9 (“Like Puppets on a String”) called out to me in a way that no DC Comic ever had before. I didn’t even buy it the first time I saw it… but that cover haunted me. It’s a great thing when the unspoken chemistry of a group of seven characters, just the way they looked together on a random cover… can actually haunt an eleven year old. Part of the magic of team books, I guess. Not to mention, I can say without a doubt that the Terra revelation rocked me to my prepubescent core and that I’d be hard pressed to think of a single comicbook I was more anxious to read than the final chapter of “The Judas Contract”.
JUSTICE LEAGUE #1-46 (written by Keith Giffen and J.M. DeMatteis) –The concept was simple: show how superheroes interact when they’re behind closed doors, when they can relax a little. But forget the “Bwah-hahaha” crap, to me this book was still serious superheroics. I really feel like readers have forgotten how good the stories were, how gripping the conflicts could be, even the behind-the-scenes ones. Showdowns with the Rocket Reds, fighting the Grey Man, the machinations of Maxwell Lord, Millennium and Invasion, the first showdown with the Suicide Squad, and the return of Despero, recast as an alien killing machine. Okay, some of the jokes were funny, but these were not joke stories. The first year in particular had a political bent to it that I still respond to. And here’s an instance where I will name check two artists involved in the series: Kevin Maguire and Adam Hughes. Both brand new at the time, their work on this book made them superstars and rightly so. And it does make a salient point: ultimately, the series was the star, not necessarily the creators involved. At least, not until they worked on the series. But that’s what good team books can do. Now, having said that, when Hughes left, for whatever reason, I kinda’ checked out, too. Maybe I figured they couldn’t top the Despero/Death of Mister Miracle story. And it was roughly a decade before I read a Justice League comicbook again. But it was absolutely worth the wait…
JLA #1-41 (written by Grant Morrison) – I have another nutty little theory (y’know, I’ve got a million of ‘em)… Grant’s JLA saved modern mainstream superhero comics. Up until then, the quality stuff (STARMAN, SANDMAN MYSTERY THEATRE, Alan Moore’s WILDC.A.T.S., Ellis’ STORMWATCH) had been marginalized to the point of cultural non-impact with the general perception of top-selling mainstream superheroes being either X-Crap or Image (or Image-style) pin-up comics. And then JLA came along… not only sporting an iconography that big time superhero books had been lacking for years, but the sheer kinetic energy found in the storytelling was a potent reminder that superhero team books didn’t have to be navel-gazing exercises in continuity minutiae. They could still be packed with power and majesty. And let’s not forget, JLA still tackled the time-honored tropes of team books head on, from meeting tables to h.q. cutaway maps to dramatic shakeups in the cast. Personally, my favorite lineup isn’t the original “Big Seven”, nor is it the later, “Camelot”-style lineup. It’s the “Rock Of Ages” lineup. The Big Seven plus Aztek, Connor Hawke and a late assist from Plastic Man. I dunno, it just buttered my toast in exactly the right way. Maybe because it only lasted for that one storyline and didn’t have a chance to run itself into the ground. Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that the scope and the glorious audacity of the “Rock Of Ages” storyline has yet to be matched? It’s like Grant threw down the gauntlet and no one has dared to pick it up. By far the most important team book — to me, anyway — of the last fifteen years (and, if you’re counting, the second team book to save DC’s ass… in my eyes, at least).
SEVEN SOLDIERS #0 (written by Grant Morrison) – One of my favorite single issues of anything in the past few years. Leave it to Grant to boil it all down to one issue, where he — along with breathtaking art by J.H. Williams — gave me everything I loved about team books… and then took it all away by killing everyone. Again, it was just the odd chemistry so successfully presented in just a few pages that hooked me. A Seven Soldiers team that was only six strong. But those six disparate heroes — the Vigilante, the Whip, Boy Blue, Dyno-Mite Man, Gimmix and I, Spyder — made up a quirky little team that I really wanted to read more about, and their quick demise just made me want them that much more. Maybe that was Grant’s point all along. I dunno, I’ve never asked him. Damn him… damn him all to hell…
Sure, there are certainly others worth mentioning: ALL-STAR COMICS #58-74 (these were my Justice Society stories, thanks to Conway, Wood, Giffen, Levitz and Staton), SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS #1-15 (horrible but inspiring), INVADERS #1-28 (Roy Thomas/Frank Robbins goodness), THRILLER #1-7 (an odd little gem of a team book that hugely inspired certain strands of my work). I could definitely go on. And on. But the fact is, I’ve got my own team books to write…
Fortunately, you guys can add your comments and tell the world which superhero team books — past and present — really float your boat. I know I’ll be reading the responses. Like I said, I love this stuff… I love talking about it… I love reading about it… so get to commenting and let the superhero team book love know no bounds…!
Joe Casey
proud writer of many team books, such as AVENGERS: EARTH’S MIGHTIEST HEROES (I and II), FF: FIRST FAMILY, WILDCATS (vol. 2 and Version 3.0), THE INTIMATES, UNCANNY X-MEN, G.I. JOE: AMERICA’S ELITE, KISS, YOUNGBLOOD and the upcoming **** *********.




August 29th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Joe,
I cannot tell you how much that I agree with your assessments.The only ones that I don’t agree with,I haven’t read.
To me, there are no better comics than…
Avengers #120-#202 * The GREATEST comics ever,IMO.
New Teen Titans #1-44,anns 1-3 and NEW TNT #1-5 * The single GREATEST run a book by a single creative team,also,IMO.
and finally…
Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #197- Baxter #38 * No real reason in particular except that these have always been some of my fave books since I read them as a kid.
August 29th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Joe,
I so dearly love all of the marvel stuff you’ve done recently, especially Avengers EMH. Any interest in taking on a Marvel U ongoing or is it a case of been there done that? Would you even be interested in writing the current “I’m a dick” Iron Man?
-Mac
August 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Anybody else really curious about an Iceman/Ghost Rider team-up now?
No…? Yeah me neither, I was just asking … ya know, just out of curiosity.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:18 pm
SS #0 surely meriting a shout for the, well, more than merely passing resemblance of I, Spyder to this article’s author, aye?
…I miss the Basement Tapes, suddenly - good stuff.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Shit yeah, Joe.
The Defenders! I loved the Defenders… issue 100 was a fight between them and SATAN himself, and it was a barnstormer. Couldn’t agree more about Morrison’s JLA and the Giffen/DeMatteis run (which was the first Justice League run I ever encountered… the Grey Man vs Doctor Fate creeped me out and I haven’t found out how it ended to this day) I’ll be buying ESSENTIAL AVENGERS vol.6.
Thanks for this “NWSRMA”
August 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Avengers is it. The best team book ever. Joe sites a great run, but my personal favorite is the Roger Stern Era- the redemption of Hank Pym, Vision taking over the world, the Masters of Evil- all top flight stuff, particularly when Buscema/Palmer came on board. Amazing stuff. Busiek’s run is another favorite of mine, as well. In fact, I think my love for Avengers is why I responded so strongly to JLI; that book is essentialy a humorous spin on the Avengers (as opposed to a humorous spin on the “big 7″ League).
Second best team book ever? Pretty much nothing like Avengers, but still great; the Suicide Squad. Political situations, back stabbing, dirty deads and characters that seemed so very real. An amazing and somewhat unberlooked book.
Very intrested to see what Joe’s new team book that he teases at the end is. Any hints, Joe? I wish it was the Avengers on a full time basis.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
I love Joe I really do. Now Marvel give him a team book like Avengers or Defenders so he can show his stuff. The Real Avengers please.
I love team books for the same exact reasons. I’m more interested in the character interaction, role call, meetings, who’s on monitor duty and who is washing the Quinjets…than a silly super-villain.
You know the Shooter, Grant, Michelline days in hindsight look like a string of fill-ins but they just had that “this is what a superteam book is” feeling about it.
What I love about Joe is he can take this old school stuff and twist or reinvent it to make a great story. Some writers are too old school and just relive the past some are worse and just dismiss it all together. Guys like Joe, Morrisson, Geoff USE it but add a twist. We need more of that.
Speaking of Geoff the JSA is on a hell of a superhero team book run right now starting since the last series. James Robinson, Goyer, Johns! I was never a JSA fan before.
Also besides Avengers there is another fave team book of mine that seemed to shine in the 80’s right behind Teen Titans. Levitz’s & Giffen’s Legion of Super-Heroes. You want character interaction? Try having 30 superheroes.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Anyone notice that Joe typed just enough “*” for his newest project to match up to the number of letters in “The Defenders” after he gushed about them?
Joe would be a good match for The Defenders. His ork on Wildcats 3.0 is some of my favorite work and I wish he could have done more with it.
August 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Nice column, Joe. I have to agree with your selections and I want to emphasize how much I dug both of your runs on Wildcats. Great stuff.
I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention Mark Gruenwald’s Squadron Supreme. For how little there actually is, he packed a ton of story into it. It blew my 11 year old mind.
Also, what’s up with Nixon’s Pals? Are we ever gonna see this?
August 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Joe, I agree. But I think a huge omission from the list is the classic late 70s / early 80s cast of X-Men. Arguably the foundation for team books of years to follow, this team was the ultimate dysfunctional yet introspective collection of characters that looked great together and complemented each other well with their superhuman abilities. From Uncanny #101 thru to just about #200 or so, this book was mint. They hold up well today in emotion and plot, if not as well in narration and dialogue. In fact, I even got my mom to read the Dark Phoenix Saga earlier this year. She won’t even watch a sci-fi movie, but she loved the X-Men trade. My girlfriend enjoyed it a lot too and that’s by far the oldest comic she’s ever read. Not to mention that other great teams have their roots in this run of stories, from Alpha Flight to the Starjammers to even Excalibur.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
“Anybody else really curious about an Iceman/Ghost Rider team-up now?”
Didn’t they team in the original Champions? (I’ve never read it myself, but I did read the consequent GR issues.) Maybe that’s why the book was short-lived.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
I noticed that too, Ash. So the Defenders, Joe?
Surprised that no X-Men made the list, but I understand that with a few exceptions, there haven’t been GREAT runs on that title.
Morrison’s JLA was what got my 5th grade mind into comics. I didn’t understand a lot of it, but I loved it. Totally need to reread that. And I too was sad when Connor and Aztek left too soon.
The only books that I would add to the list are Young Justice and Birds of Prey. The former is a team that really was just a group of teens hanging out and getting into trouble, and the latter was interesting because it essentially anyone from DC could be “deputized” at any time (Lady Blackhawk? Shiva? Vixen?) but it also had friendship at its core.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Man, Avengers and Defenders are the best! I didn’t start collecting comics until the mid 80s, but I have been fortunate enough to find cheap copies of most of those classic Avengers and Defenders issues! I was really hoping that this recent “Champions”…oh, I mean, “The Order”…comic was gonna feature Ghost Rider, Hercules, Angel, Iceman, and Black Widow. Man, that would’ve been the best! I’ve gotta add X-Men to those runs of great team books, though…from the debut of the “All New All Different” team up to around the 190s also. I totally agree with Nick Marino’s above statement.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
To what’s been mentioned so far I’d add Alan Moore’s Wildcats run and the antichrist of team books, Rick Veitch’s Bratpack.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Excalibur 42-67, by Alan Davis, or how a talented author, given free reign, can start a cleanup from a train wreck (1-41) and expand it into the best work of his career.
Soon to be collected in Excalibur Classic!
August 29th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
If Joe can give me a Defenders book with some old members and new obscure ones, let him.
Only two team I would add to this list is the phenominal JSA by Robinson and Johns. And Claremont’s initial run on X-Men.
Currently I still give the nod to JSA but now I’d add Peter David’s X-Factor.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
I agree completely.
At the risk of being crucified, I would add Justice League of America #228-#261 and Annual #2.
I would even go back further than that (before War of the Worlds), but I wanted to highlight my irrational love of the JLDetroit.
Also, Ostrander/McDonnell Suicide Squad and Englehart’s West Coast Avengers.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
How did I forget JSA?!
August 29th, 2007 at 2:44 pm
The latest Larsen-Busiek Defenders didn’t do anything for me. Too old school too corky. Yet the Giffen-JM book rocked!
Anyways, Defenders for me have always been wierd. Demons, aliens, plant-hybrids, cults. Well you get the idea. I hate the Headmen though.
I think Joe can deliver an awesome Defenders book.
August 29th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
I agree 100% about Morrion’s JLA. I still don’t think DC realizes how much it owes to what Morrison did. It is still riding off his run and the power the big 7 brought back into the DCU. I still see so many writers playing catch-up on what Grant did and it’s been a decade since the first issue. Overall, it’s still probably my favorite run on any title ever. Grant makes his imagination fit into the huge potential that comics provide, rather than making comics fit into the limits of his imagination, and DC is still reaping the benefits of his using that on Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
I agree. I’ll be honest reading the first few Avengers Essentials made me go fill in the holes from 100 up. Some expensive books in there, but pure gold for most in terms of story and art. (Although funny of funny that George Perez was a main artist for 2 of these book choices.)
I also agree with the JSA nod by DaVeO and would narrow it to JSA 1-50 + JSA Secret Files 1-2. No other book took a concept of a team and a dynasty, legacy, like this book did and made it one, a great team book, but two a fantastic read. The elements, characters, and plot twists pulled together from other books and DC’s huge history just made these issues great. Plus the bond these characters have together as a family is so fantastic and adds such a team chemistry that was only ever similiar to the choice of New Teen Titans. It’s an element that makes a great team book worth reading, and will sustain team books through … bad storytelling or mediocre storytelling.
BTW, I’m shocked Uncanny X-Men 94-145, plus Giant Size 1 isn’t on here or any FF.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
I always thought Joe’s Uncanny X-Men run was very underrated. I liked how he made the Angel/Nightcrawler leadership (and yeah, I even liked Stacy X!) Also, you mentioned Morrison’s JLA… but you have to mention his New X-Men and Doom Patrol… two different lessons in team book writing. Grant’s da man.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Grant Morrison’s JLA run brought me back to comics. I had quit collecting at the start of the big 90s boom, but then I happened upon the issue (don’t recall exactly which number) where Connor Hawke has to use Ollie’s old trick arrows to beat The Key. That’s all it took - i was hooked by how fun and quirky comics could be. Thank you, Grant Morrison.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
I am also a huge fan of team books. I agree that I love the interaction of heroes together. When you have a hero in his solo title interacting with mere mortals, it is as if the hero is above them, but only in team books do you get to see a hero among his equals. Perfect example is Spider-Man. I don’t know why it took Marvel 40+ years to get Spidey on a team.
One of the things I like most about team books is evident mostly in DC titles. Outside of the occasional trade, I only buy Team books from DC. I think a lot of this has to do with the idea that I can’t read 22+ pages of just Superman and/or Wonder Woman, etc. The characters are too iconic and have no real appeal to me individually, but in a team setting, where it is a limited dose of these characters, they are tolerable and enjoyable.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
Re: X-Men and Fantastic Four…they are superhero teams but almost a different genre all together. Mutants and science heroes. I agree about the Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne X-Men though. Team dynamics, interaction, etc.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
I used to love team books, too.
The first comic I ever picked up was Justice League of America 110… both because it was chock full of superheroes and because it had a dead Santa on the cover. Being 9 or so, I had to find out if Santa was really dead.
Then came Avengers and Fantastic Four, both of which I readily collected until I gave up comics for girls…. well, one girl.
When I found out in the late ’90’s that Perez was back on Avengers, I immediately picked up collecting again.
Then came Bendis on Avengers and - as much as I dislike his take on the team - it made me realized how contrived the whole set-up is.
Unlike the FF or Challengers of the Unknown, Avengers, JSA, and JLA are not families. They are a collection of heavy-hitters that really - when you think about it… or at least when I think about it - have no real reason to be on a team.
As I said… contrived.
Thank you, Mr. Bendis, for showing me the truth.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
I find it odd that Casey didn’t list Claremont’s X-Men run considering that Casey himself wrote one of my other favorite X-Men runs.
August 29th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
To be fair, Joe could’ve probably gone on much longer, but he threw in some less obvious choices.
Nice to see some Defenders love.
August 29th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
I sure would like to see Grant Morrison do an Avengers run!
Even though, my only problem with B.M. Bendis’ Avengers books is that they aren’t coming out fast enough!
I love all of the team books Joe mentioned, here, but now I can’t get this idea of Grant doing Avengers out of my mind! Jeez!
You know what? I think Grant Morrison is my favorite superhero.
August 29th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Hey guys –
Just to clarify… I was simply listing my personal favorites. I wasn’t trying to make any definitive list of seminal and/or influential teambooks (of which many of your suggestions definitely are), only the books that I have an unnatural love for.
August 29th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
I loved Grant Morrison’s run on “JLA,” as well. He had to work with some crappy plot devices (”Electro”-Superman, @sshole Aquaman, among others), but did a great job.
I like Kurt Busiek and George Perez’s run on “Avengers,” as well. Their work on “JLA/Avengers” has a soft spot in my heart, as well.
August 29th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Joe, you son of a bitch! I just went out and bought everything! Christ, Defenders #37 was hard to find…
August 29th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
It’s no surprise Joe Casey might not be personally feeling the Claremont-Cockrum-Byrne X-Men, but it is a surprise that such a huge Roy Thomas head doesn’t have a place in his heart for X-Men #56-63. Neal Adams even tweaked the costumes for maximum visual chemistry!
August 29th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Really great team books??
Claremont’s New Mutants
Ellis on StormWatch and The Authority
Millar on The Ultimates
and of course WildCats version 3.0…. which is crying out for an Absolute, far more so than Jim Lee’s Image-art crap. You go Joe!
August 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Team books are what I’ve collected for over thirty years,I started out with Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes in the early 70’s and when that large team was not enough to fill my need for the team dynamic I started buying every group book I could get my hands on current and back issues.
My favorites are
DC - Legion of Super-Heroes
Marvel - The Avengers
Other - T.H.U.N.D.E.R Agents
August 29th, 2007 at 7:26 pm
I could not agree more. I have every single run Casey wrote about and I totally love them the best. I’d personally add X-Men from GS #1 - Unc. X-Men 137, Adventure 300-370 & most of the S/LSH from 197- EArth War, some runs of Fantastic Four (as late as #200) and the original Doom Patrol series.
August 29th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Man, that avengers run would have to be it for me personally. I was 9-10 years old and I still remember not being able to wait for that next Avengers issue to come out down at the 7-11 in S CAlif. ! Started reading and collecting right around the Graviton run. Cool cool stuff!
August 29th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Nice article. Couple things come to mind that bear review:
Didn’t understand Joe’s Starlin reference in regard to Ms. Marvel. Yeah, Jim Starlin made Captain Marvel popular during his run on that book, but he wasn’t the guy that re-designed the good Captain’s costume - that happened before Starlin was onboard.
As for tacking ‘New’ in front of a group title, I think the ‘All New, All Different’ X-Men books from 1975 might beat the Titans by a few years.
Beyond all that, you have my blessing to bring back the Defenders. If anybody can do it, Joe Casey can. Make it happen already!
August 29th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
I’m a team-book fan too–started with Avengers (first Perez run–love the second Wonder Man suit illustrated here!), old-school Justice League (vs. the Construct, Satin Satan, and Anton Allegro), and Defenders (starting with Xenogenesis). Then I noticed X-Men, just in time for the Phoenix Saga.
One development not mentioned here was the proliferation of “spin-off” books like West Coast Avengers and Justice League Europe.
Another was the rise of pastiches / deconstructions of group books: Watchmen, the Authority, Noble Causes, Astro City, and a zillion others. I guess this all started with Youngblood…? Or should we blame the original Squadron Supreme?
August 29th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Great article. I also agree with the visual aspect to team books. I’ve always felt that the height of most team books has been when a good color spectrum is in use. Whether due to the writer picking certain characters or artists creating new costumes for the characters, that add to the visual effects. A good balance of red, blue, yellow, and green are, to me, necessary visually.
My unnatural love of a team book is Justice League of America #100 thru approx #125. From there I expanded to any team book I could get my hands on.
August 30th, 2007 at 12:47 am
Levitz’s second run on the Legion of Super-Heroes. A high point of superhero team comics.
August 30th, 2007 at 6:01 am
Would have loved to hear more on Thriller, which was just an amazing book that came about 15-20 years too soon.
And I agree with everyone who posted on Levitz’s second run with the Legion. I don’t think the new Legion will ever top that era.
August 30th, 2007 at 7:20 am
Someone mentioned above about buying team books from DC, not being interested enough to read a full comic of just Superman or Wonder Woman. I kinda feel the same way towards The Avengers. I have next to no interest in reading solo Iron Man, Thor, or Captain America books (though I must admit, the new run on Cap has gotten me hooked). There are several Avengers I do like reading solo (Hawkeye, Hellcat, Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel being the majors), but I can’t do “the big three” solo. I’m also one of the few people that really liked West Coast Avengers during the majority of its run…
August 30th, 2007 at 8:54 am
I don’t see how you can blame Youngblood for something that was done in Watchmen, given that Watchmen came out more than half a decade earlier. Besides, have you READ early Youngblood? It didn’t deconstruct anything–it barely had plots.
August 30th, 2007 at 10:44 am
I’d have to argue against Scott’s comment (#26). Well, half-argue. When he said the JSA wasn’t a family. Now, I’d agree with that during the initial run when they formed and during the second world war when they expanded into The All-Star Squadron.
But in this new generation, starting from Robinson’s Starman, John’s Stars $ S.T.R.I.P.E. and into JSA, they very much structured the team as a family. In some cases it’s a literal term (Rex and Rick Tyler, Pat & Courtney, Ted and Tommy). They are no longer just a bunch of heroes who got together, they are bonded by legacy and family. And that makes for good reading.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Is a shame, a pity that Kevin Maguire always be so lazy to draw the comic book of JLA.
August 30th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Love dem super teams! My favorite is a tie between Lee and Kirby and John Byrne’s FF runs. In my opinion the gold standard of super team books. That said, my favorite super team issues, though, have to be Avengers 161, 162 and 164-166. The last panel of 161 when Jarvis turns on the lights and sees the Avengers have been decimated by Ultron blew my 12 year old mind. I never had looked forward to a comic more than issue 162, and I was not disappointed. Then an issue later began a three part epic (3 parts was an epic in those days) where the Avengers battled an insanely powered up Count Nefaria. There was more action, drama and adventure packed into those three issues than in any of todays multi-multi-part crossovers. And the Vision’s solution to taking down Nefaria is comic gold baby! Those five issues should be required reading for any of today’s creators as an example of what an Avengers’ comic should be.
August 30th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Loves me some team books!
Gotta admit I only read one issue fo Fantastic Four back in the day, where The Thing reverted to Ben Grimm, and they were lookin’ to replace him with Power Man, ‘cept for The Puppet Master. FF has gotten better over the years.
I was never into the X-Men much, either, and I don’t know why. I’ve got some reprints of The Early Years, and I have a couple of Jim Lee issues, but it just never clicked. I did read every issue of The Age of Apocalypse. Don’t get me wrong - the X-Men rock, I just never felt compelled to pick it up and read it. I have grabbed the trades of Astonishing.
I read The Avengers, New Teen Titans, Justice League - except for the Detroit League, sorry it just didn’t do it for me.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Talk about unnatural love, I hold a big place in my heart for Claremont’s Uncanny X-Men from GS #1 all the way up to the end of the outback storyline when they all went into the Siege Perilous. Towards the end there it petered out a bit (quite a bit), but it’s because of those stories that I stuck with the X-Men through some very, VERY lean years.
August 30th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
The Chris Claremont/Jim Lee run on Uncanny X-Men & the first few issues of X-Men can’t be beat for me. They rocked!!!! I am also being blown away by the Josh Whedon/John Cassaday run on Astonishing X-Men. Ellis and Bianchi have major shoes to fill. I also just read the first two volumes of “The Ultimates” by Millar and Hitch and thoroughly enjoyed both.
September 4th, 2007 at 8:18 am
Thank you Joe fo sharing that with us.
My Faves include:
1. The Defenders - entire run but most particularly JM DeMatteis run. I enjoyed Busiek and Larsen’s run too
2. Byrne’s FF - particularly the issues with She-Hulk
3. Avengers by Stern and Buscema (followed by Busiek and Perez)and Engelhart’s WCA run
4. New Teen Titans
5. Excalibur by Claremont and Alan Davis
6. Uncanny X-Men by Claremont up to Inferno
7. JLI and JLE by Giffen and DeMatteis - entire runs up to and. incl. Breakdowns
8. JSA - by Goyer and Johns
9. JLA (by Waid and Hitch!!!! was not a fan of Porter’s art)
10. New Mutants by Claremont
11. New X-Men by Grant Morrison
I also have fond memories of Roy Thomas’s All Star Squadron and Mike W Barr’s Outsiders
December 13th, 2007 at 10:31 am
John Ostrander’s Suicide Squad had it all and should be considered one of the premiere team books.