Comments on: SDCC: 44 things said at the Spotlight on Warren Ellis panel

By: Laverne Whelan

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By: Asset Recovery

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By: drupgyu

drupgyu — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 02:54:15 +0000

I was there. It was a great panel although like many panels, questioners try too hard to be funny.

I’d like to add that he says most writers are bats@#$ crazy and that, not naming names, one put a cave in his basement Northhampton house and another went to Tibet and tried to be abducted by aliens.

By: JF

JF — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:03:38 +0000

I also trust Greg Palast who’s the closest living thing we’ve got to Spider !

“A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself” – Joseph Pulitzer

By: Bradley Curry

Bradley Curry — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:00:57 +0000

Rob,

Whoring is a strong word, but probably not so much for Ellis. His sense of humour uses a lot of strong language so I’m sure he doesn’t actually feel like he is sacrificing his integrity for working at Marvel. If anything it’s a self-conscious joke for the people that think he hates superheroes.

I was at the panel. When someone asked why he is doing Astonishing X-Men he said that part of it was becaues he felt he still had more to say with super-heroes.

By: Alexa

Alexa — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:49:08 +0000

Meh, most the great writers in history to some extent built up some kind of cult of personality. It’s why they were read, and why we still read them. In the prose world we have Wilde, Fitzgerald, and Vonnegut, to name a few. In comics we have Moore, Gaiman, Miller, Morrison, Ennis, and Ellis. All of these writers have their own styles and meta-narratives, and if one likes a particular writer’s style, you can appreciate the meta. If you don’t like the style, don’t complain that you don’t like the meta–it’s not for you.

By: Brainlock

Brainlock — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:33:15 +0000

so any clues as to the identity of #40? and were they “mummified” (bound in shrinkwrap) at the time, too?

By: rob

rob — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 01:04:44 +0000

OK I guess caling his doing a year of MARvel a “year of whoredom” is not saying “I hate superheroes” but you have give me “whoring is a pretty loaded word and please for the love of God don’t say “He just needed the work” if he just needed the work he just would have worked. Or he could have done something for Icon

By: stupid idiot

stupid idiot — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:42:02 +0000

I think “Warren Ellis hates super heroes” is from the interview printed in “Writers on Comic Scripts Vol 1″.

By: Bradley Curry

Bradley Curry — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:23:06 +0000

Rob,

You listed Grant Morrison if anyone gets the “ok your ‘Out there’ You want a medal?” repuation it’s him. I love Grant and I’d say his earlier works (Flex, Doom Patrol, Animal Man) are better than most of Ellis’s work, but it seems like since Invisibles ended the best thing Grant has done is We3, while Ellis keeps putting out quality.

I have no problem with saying Moore is better either. It’s like saying LeBron James and Dwayne Wade (or Ennis/Ellis in my mind) are okay but not as good as Michael Jordan. They’re still better than the average NBA player.

And this “Warren hates super-heroes” thing HAS to stop. It really does. Where did it come from? Garth Ennis hates super-heroes, Ellis hates the dominance super-heroes have over the industry. That is it.

By: rob

rob — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:29:06 +0000

Better? Glad you asked…
Gant Morrsion, Jim Starlin Alan Moore, Steve Gerber, John Byrne (when he’s on)his plots are good
good but his voice always feels the same unapealing good for Norman Osborne not for Cyclops good for some creator owned stuff not others. I really liked ocean really did’nt like Athority.
By the way just so were clear I’m not even trying to pretend Warren’s online rants don’t effect my feelings on him! I’M not reading Iron by a guy who hates superheroes. Why should I?
Besides I think Warren’s greatest feat is seling himself as the guy “forced TO WORK for Marvel” Which if you think about a little is absurd.

By: rob

rob — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:29:00 +0000

By: Bradley Curry

Bradley Curry — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:00:19 +0000

For those like Kirk and Rob that say Ellis is an okay writer, who would you say is better in the comic industry? I see this brought up all the time, but I never see an example of something better.

By: carpboy

carpboy — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:34:21 +0000

To be fair, re: Planetary & Cassaday’s schedule, Ellis said that he finished the script some months ago, but he knows that Astonishing X-Men scripts have come in and that those take priority, so he isn’t sweating it. He said to expect it by year’s end, IIRC.

By: kyle ethan

kyle ethan — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 04:19:22 +0000

Kirk (or K-Box),
There will always be an audience for different types of media in general. Are readers of Archie comics emotionally stunted in life or is it something that they enjoy?
Personally, I don’t agree with the KKK, but they have a right to think what they want and believe what they want as long as I have the same right to have a different perspective. It’s called choice.
Your final statement, although attempting to be condescending, proved my point. Now if your arguement is based only on Ellis’ ideas about the downfall of the industry that were written eight or nine years ago, I would like to think you could let it go. The industry isn’t gone. It is different, but not gone.
What a silly thing to be annoyed about. Did you say anything eight or nine years ago that would get someones goat to this day? Do you believe anything you believed in that time as you do today?
If so, cool. If not, still cool. Get it? It’s a choice. A point of view. It’s nothing to begrudge an artist for. That’s too much a waste of energy.
And by the way, my observations were not meant to be profound. They were facts. Tragedies that happen everyday. Read a newspaper. Watch the first ten min. of the local or world news. Nothing profound. Just a horrible truth. The world is not a perfect place. And depending of what kind of fiction a person enjoys, their escapism is up to that individual. And hopefully temporary, so as they can get back to their whoring to pay the bills.
Speaking of,… when do I see my five dollars?

By: Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box

Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 01:40:31 +0000

Kyle,

If that post is your idea of a series of profound observations, it’s no wonder you love Warren Ellis so much.

And Warren’s “whoring” offends me only because he built his entire career on saying that everyone else who “whored themselves” was – again, using his words – “killing the industry.”

But as long as there are still people who never progressed emotionally beyond thinking that it’s somehow cool and rebellious to smoke, there will always be an audience for Ellis.

By: Alan Coil

Alan Coil — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:56:12 +0000

These responses should be locked after 44. Only makes sense.

By: rob

rob — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:12:13 +0000

Warren is an ok writter who can be very good if you ARE in the mood for Warren. I like Thunderbolts Loved Ocean but a lot of ellis just makes me say “ok your ‘Out there’ You want a medal?”
That said I think he’s got talent enough to keep me hoping that he may become as good as he thinks he is

By: kyle ethan

kyle ethan — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:56:24 +0000

Kirk, when do I get to see my five dollars? Too be frank, the reality is ‘whoring’ is the oldest profession. If you have a job, you are working the street yourself.
The reality of ‘rehashed ideas’ and/or ‘tiresome self-parady’ is survival. How to make a living with the tools that are given. The reality is a bridge can fall in Min. the same day that ground was to be broken for a new sports stadium for a billionaire. That tax-payers footed. And people died. The reality is a wife can kill her husband in KY, while her sons were asleep in the house. And the father of the husband retains a lawyer because his son was a wife-beater. The reality is, it does take time to work out an idea and write it in a manner that is rewarding to some. It doesn’t have to be for everyone. Just some. And profit from it.
Every writer has a hit or miss. And Thomson was funny and the same for years. I first read him in 1982. When I was twelve.
Your opinion is your own. Mine just seems to differ. I am entertained by Ellis and pay for that entertainment. Money that goes toward the future of his daughter, Lilith Amelia, who by now, is eleven, and most likely has read Thompson also.

By: Anthony W

Anthony W — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:14:10 +0000

Kirk Boxleitner you are now my new hero.

By: Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box

Kirk Boxleitner, a.k.a. K-Box — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:50:50 +0000

“A self-professed drunk Brit who swears a lot? Yah.. you’d never see that one coming…” Sounds like something from a EVERY Warren Ellis book. Fixed your post for you, Em ... Of course Ellis is funny and a little off. Most truely creative people are. Living in a world of observations and responce, what choice is there to be had but madness and vomit of that insanity that is the real world? It’s not fantasy children, it’s what’s happening outside your window- in our lifetime. Be greatful for the griot. Wow, Kyle ... I have five dollars that says you just read your first Hunter S. Thompson book last week, and it blew your mind. Ellis is not about "that insanity that is the real world." He is about whoring himself to Marvel (his word for it) and descending into tiresome self-parody, with endless rants that could be summed up as, "You're all a bunch of bastards," and, "Check out this idea I got from an article in Wired five years ago." Ellis has about as much to do with reality as Scientology has to do with science.

By: kyle ethan

kyle ethan — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:58:15 +0000

Of course Ellis is funny and a little off. Most truely creative people are. Living in a world of observations and responce, what choice is there to be had but madness and vomit of that insanity that is the real world? It’s not fantasy children, it’s what’s happening outside your window- in our lifetime. Be greatful for the griot.

By: Russ Burlingame

Russ Burlingame — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:21:19 +0000

I think the “only” came from context. At first the non-comics folk didn’t understand why being trusted by Warren was relevant and I had to explain the paranoid and conspiratorial nature of his writing. I informed them to remove it so as not to misquote the man, so that’s gonna happen presently. Thanks for that catch, as I only look at Greg’s site once in a blue moon!

By: OM

OM — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:40:41 +0000

…Warren Ellis as a cowboy? Bruce Dern look out! :p

By: Philip Sch.

Philip Sch. — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:23:32 +0000

What a nice person!

Me and my lung cancer fully agree on 26) ,… but what exactly did DC fuck up with Jack Cross?

By: Anthony W

Anthony W — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:01:00 +0000

>>PS – Am currently loving “Crooked Little Vein” and am wondering when the lazy buggers at Newsarama are going to get around to reviewing it? Or did I miss it due to all of the damn Comic Con coverage proliferating these here web pages?

By: Bill

Bill — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:50:20 +0000

Planetary #27 is to be more of a stand-alone issue/epilogue from what I understand from numerous comments made by W.E. #26 was the end of the regular series, so don’t be dissin’ on the man or his hombre Cassaday! Just enjoy it when and if it ever gets published.

By: Dom

Dom — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:27:20 +0000

Is #6 unintentionally homoerotic? Or intentionally homoerotic? Or just gay as?

By: Joe Willy

Joe Willy — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:48:59 +0000

Zach, where does the “only” in that quote on the Palast web site front page come from? The link comes here but I don’t see the world “only” in #44. Is there another transcription or recording somewhere?

By: Elliot Mears

Elliot Mears — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:20:14 +0000

“A self-professed drunk Brit who swears a lot”
Sounds like about half the adult population of Britain, in fact.