Comments on: Point/Counterpoint in the Blogosphere… http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/ The Blog@ Team and prominent comics personalities share what’s on their minds. Fri, 24 May 2013 17:32:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Henry Benton Jr http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136801 Henry Benton Jr Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:43:19 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136801 I guess I wouldn't think anything much of it if Luke Cage wasn't set on fire recently as well. Well, I guess I'm not really thinking of it anyways come to think of it. I guess I wouldn’t think anything much of it if Luke Cage wasn’t set on fire recently as well.

Well, I guess I’m not really thinking of it anyways come to think of it.

]]> By: Drew Clements http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136653 Drew Clements Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:42:15 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136653 <i>The Black Flash isn’t actually black, he’s a skeleton. The Black Racer would’ve been a much better candidate for trying to mock the argument, because he’s both black, an angel of death (a killer), and confined to a hospital bed (enslaved).</i> True, but the Black Racer's not on a current comic book cover that could be used to mock the argument. My comment stands as a pretty valid way to mock the argument and commotion, because it's nonsense and that's what I was intending. The Black Flash isn’t actually black, he’s a skeleton. The Black Racer would’ve been a much better candidate for trying to mock the argument, because he’s both black, an angel of death (a killer), and confined to a hospital bed (enslaved).

True, but the Black Racer’s not on a current comic book cover that could be used to mock the argument.

My comment stands as a pretty valid way to mock the argument and commotion, because it’s nonsense and that’s what I was intending.

]]> By: Tired http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136589 Tired Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:58:13 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136589 You can accidently offend people. That doesn't excuse people looking for reasons to be offended. Marvel shouldn't have to explain or apologize or try to avoid connections people make in their minds that are unintended and unsupported. You can accidently offend people. That doesn’t excuse people looking for reasons to be offended. Marvel shouldn’t have to explain or apologize or try to avoid connections people make in their minds that are unintended and unsupported.

]]> By: david brothers http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136553 david brothers Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:40:24 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136553 You don't have to have offensive intent to do something offensive. You haven't ever said something that accidentally hurt someone's feelings? Plus, something being an opinion doesn't make it somehow less valid or worthy of comment. Stating an opinion isn't a "Ignore Me Now" card. Dorian has an opinion that contradicts mine. I don't go, "Oh, that's just his opinion," because that would be rude. <i>Yeah, the Black Flash is carrying Bart. The black man carrying the white man. How much more racist can you get!?</i> The Black Flash isn't actually black, he's a skeleton. The Black Racer would've been a much better candidate for trying to mock the argument, because he's both black, an angel of death (a killer), and confined to a hospital bed (enslaved). You don’t have to have offensive intent to do something offensive. You haven’t ever said something that accidentally hurt someone’s feelings?

Plus, something being an opinion doesn’t make it somehow less valid or worthy of comment. Stating an opinion isn’t a “Ignore Me Now” card.

Dorian has an opinion that contradicts mine. I don’t go, “Oh, that’s just his opinion,” because that would be rude.

Yeah, the Black Flash is carrying Bart. The black man carrying the white man. How much more racist can you get!?

The Black Flash isn’t actually black, he’s a skeleton. The Black Racer would’ve been a much better candidate for trying to mock the argument, because he’s both black, an angel of death (a killer), and confined to a hospital bed (enslaved).

]]> By: Richard J. Marcej http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136517 Richard J. Marcej Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:37:56 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136517 Unless you know what the artist's actual intent of an illustrated image is, every comment about it by the observer is his/her opinion. Nothing more. Unless you know what the artist’s actual intent of an illustrated image is, every comment about it by the observer is his/her opinion.
Nothing more.

]]> By: Drew Clements http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136429 Drew Clements Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:44:35 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136429 You guys see the cover to The Flash #13?? Yeah, the Black Flash is carrying Bart. The black man carrying the white man. How much more racist can you get!? You guys see the cover to The Flash #13??

Yeah, the Black Flash is carrying Bart. The black man carrying the white man. How much more racist can you get!?

]]> By: CodeGuy http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136401 CodeGuy Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:43:31 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136401 "Basically, as I recall his original comment, it was less an accusation and more of an observation." It can't be one without being the other. As far as the author knows there's an extensive vetting process at Marvel. If he's looking at something in particular and wondering about Marvel's decisions, then he's saying that thing was a bad decision. Otherwise he wouldn't have pointed to that particular cover at all. “Basically, as I recall his original comment, it was less an accusation and more of an observation.”

It can’t be one without being the other. As far as the author knows there’s an extensive vetting process at Marvel. If he’s looking at something in particular and wondering about Marvel’s decisions, then he’s saying that thing was a bad decision. Otherwise he wouldn’t have pointed to that particular cover at all.

]]> By: 动画片 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136391 动画片 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:28:20 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136391 great . great .

]]> By: david brothers http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136346 david brothers Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:49:33 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136346 Well, I am. I've got my club card and everything. Well, I am. I’ve got my club card and everything.

]]> By: Ken Lowery http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136326 Ken Lowery Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:10:55 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136326 "Respected black man"? “Respected black man”?

]]> By: mm http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136324 mm Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:59:29 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136324 i brought this up elsewhere, but... this is not "an African-American man, on fire, in front of an American flag," this is a black man and the american flag on fire. the intention is clearly antiracist: the burning of the character is being equated to burning of the flag, ie, destroying america. i’m not sure how people could not get that. i brought this up elsewhere, but… this is not “an African-American man, on fire, in front of an American flag,” this is a black man and the american flag on fire. the intention is clearly antiracist: the burning of the character is being equated to burning of the flag, ie, destroying america. i’m not sure how people could not get that.

]]> By: Steven Ekstrom http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136312 Steven Ekstrom Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:59:36 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136312 Call me crazy--but I don't see RACE before I see the SUPERHERO. Falcon is African American...fantastic. It's also the 21st Century...grand. Yes, he's on fire--because he's doing superhero stuff--and SUPERHEROES regardless of their RACE are oftentimes put into perilous situations that might involve fire. Is the fire racist for attacking the Falcon? This cover is not offensive...these folks who are questioning just don't have anything better to talk about... It's called 'reaching'. Call me crazy–but I don’t see RACE before I see the SUPERHERO.

Falcon is African American…fantastic. It’s also the 21st Century…grand.

Yes, he’s on fire–because he’s doing superhero stuff–and SUPERHEROES regardless of their RACE are oftentimes put into perilous situations that might involve fire.

Is the fire racist for attacking the Falcon?

This cover is not offensive…these folks who are questioning just don’t have anything better to talk about…

It’s called ‘reaching’.

]]> By: Jim http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136309 Jim Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:52:40 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136309 Yeah, pile on fanboys. Yeah, pile on fanboys.

]]> By: Tired http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136300 Tired Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:12:54 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136300 This is the type of stuff that gets Huck Finn banned at schools. It's not racist. It's not meant to be racist. It isn't even within ten shades of racist and calling attention to it only makes real cries of racism and discrimination (and sexism for the usual set) look worse in comparison. This is the type of stuff that gets Huck Finn banned at schools. It’s not racist. It’s not meant to be racist. It isn’t even within ten shades of racist and calling attention to it only makes real cries of racism and discrimination (and sexism for the usual set) look worse in comparison.

]]> By: Darthphere http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136292 Darthphere Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:42:46 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136292 Much ado about nothing. I mean, at this point I can go get a cover of Teen Titans Go! and find something offensive about it. Much ado about nothing. I mean, at this point I can go get a cover of Teen Titans Go! and find something offensive about it.

]]> By: Jim http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136289 Jim Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:37:21 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136289 Sorry - either at Marvel, or in superhero comics generally. Sorry – either at Marvel, or in superhero comics generally.

]]> By: Jim http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136288 Jim Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:34:58 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136288 Well, I'm sure we're all glad that we've been blessed with the comments of the most enlightened man on the planet. yay. To be clear about the actual post, though, wasn't Dorian's point that the cover was less an indication of racism, <i>per se</i>, and more an indication that at Marvel, there's less of the vetting of material that takes place at other media companies. In essence, that you don't accidentally end up with Mickey Mouse in a design that suggests he's burning a cross on someone's lawn - and the lack of concern is indicative of a kind of cultural disconnect either at Marvel or at DC? Basically, as I recall his original comment, it was less an accusation and more of an observation. Well, I’m sure we’re all glad that we’ve been blessed with the comments of the most enlightened man on the planet. yay.

To be clear about the actual post, though, wasn’t Dorian’s point that the cover was less an indication of racism, per se, and more an indication that at Marvel, there’s less of the vetting of material that takes place at other media companies. In essence, that you don’t accidentally end up with Mickey Mouse in a design that suggests he’s burning a cross on someone’s lawn – and the lack of concern is indicative of a kind of cultural disconnect either at Marvel or at DC?

Basically, as I recall his original comment, it was less an accusation and more of an observation.

]]> By: SSurfer http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/comment-page-1/#comment-136277 SSurfer Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:51:06 +0000 http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/06/20/pointcounterpoint-in-the-blogosphere-46/#comment-136277 I think that if you see this as racist or inciting racism then those notions were already in your head. I for one never thought this when I first saw it because racism/slavery is not something I ever think about. I think that if you see this as racist or inciting racism then those notions were already in your head. I for one never thought this when I first saw it because racism/slavery is not something I ever think about.

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